appoo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: Its the right game plan, need better execution. Even when protecting against the deep ball allowing 8 yards a carry is bad The DLine needed to be better on 1st. Can't cave that easily. But then again they were getting a lot of clearouts, downblocks, etc that put DLineman in bad spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 bills lost to the two afc championship teams last year after some scheduling screw up. sitting at 4-2, with the jets coming up, im not worried 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: No one cares about run defense anymore. If Allen and the offense played at the level they did the first 4 weeks we would have magically stopped the run by halftime. Mahomes didn't play spectacular, he just made enough good throws to keep the offense on the field. If Allen did the same we would have won. He choked. I hate to say it but it's true. I think some people still expect an amazing defense to win us games. That’s not the modern NFL. Give me a high scoring offense that does it. Really thought we had that through first 4 weeks. Not so sure now after these last 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: you can stop big plays and the run. The raiders just did it. We haven't done either against anyone yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: No one cares about run defense anymore. If Allen and the offense played at the level they did the first 4 weeks we would have magically stopped the run by halftime. Mahomes didn't play spectacular, he just made enough good throws to keep the offense on the field. If Allen did the same we would have won. He choked. I hate to say it but it's true. and if KC couldn’t run at will we would have had the ball more. saying no one cares about run D is bonkers. Well, it looks like Frazier may not. That’s working out well. L’s to two top teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: No one cares about run defense anymore. If Allen and the offense played at the level they did the first 4 weeks we would have magically stopped the run by halftime. Mahomes didn't play spectacular, he just made enough good throws to keep the offense on the field. If Allen did the same we would have won. He choked. I hate to say it but it's true. The defense had a lot of issues getting off the field on third and long. But in the end KC scored 26 points below their average of 30. Bass misses a long field goal to end the half, Josh leads the offense to two punts in the third quarter and KC converts a couple of third and longs when it was a one score game late. That's the game right there. It happens, just have to rebound against the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Then they’ll be 6-7 after facing the Seahawks, Cardinals, Chargers, Niners and Steelers. Don't think so, but to each their own... They'll win 3 out of those 5 games. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Hes a 3t. Forced to play 1t. Butler just flat out stinks. I don't know what position he plays They were playing him at 3t tonight. He gets crushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, GETTOTHE50 said: bills lost to the two afc championship teams last year after some scheduling screw up. sitting at 4-2, with the jets coming up, im not worried that’s mediocracy right there or the Dalton/Lewis led Bengals. You need to beat the big boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 A plan to force the run does not include giving up 6+ yards per run. Why even risk passing if you can run it for 6 at will. Takes 12-15 plays and 6-8 minutes off the clock. But on a slippery night the chiefs take that all the time and avoid any injuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: KC went into this game averaging 30 points a game, the defense gave up 26. I honestly put this loss on the offense. Just 7 points in the second half is not going to cut it. The defense despite all the yardage given up put this team in a position to win. It was the offense that couldn't score. Allen actually had a better game then Lamar Jackson against that Chiefs defense. He was under pressure a lot and especially on third down. Does the QB have to carry the team or they lose? Look at what the Chiefs did on the ground 46 rush attempts, 245 yards vs Buffalo 23 attempts, 83 yards. ToP Chiefs 37:45 vs Bills 22:15 Game plan, O line, Play calling, QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: The defense had a lot of issues getting off the field on third and long. But in the end KC scored 26 points below their average of 30. Bass misses a long field goal to end the half, Josh leads the offense to two punts in the third quarter and KC converts a couple of third and longs when it was a one score game late. That's the game right there. It happens, just have to rebound against the Jets. good D’s come up clutch when they need to. not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: This one reminded me of XXV. The D couldn’t stop the Run, was impossibly inept on 3rd. Downs ( did they really give up 3rd. & 11, 12 AND 14?) and finally, they got smoked on Time of Possession... 37-23 in minutes! Woeful and if not corrected... going nowhere. I thought back to SB25 too. IF our O followed KCs offensive game plan and ran all night instead of Kelly forcing throws, we win 25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The DL is very weak. And our Bills lose both sides of the ball in the trenches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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delirious Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Oh on a side note - where was Tyrell Dodson? I don't think I saw him at all, yet I don't remember seeing him on the inactive list. I didn't think he was playing that bad when in previous games.... Edited October 20, 2020 by delirious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Is it me or is our best DL so far been Addison-Zimmer-Bulter-No one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, CNYfan said: The DL is very weak. And our Bills lose both sides of the ball in the trenches. Their pass blocking is decent. Especially if you consider that there is no running game to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Poyer - You got paid and no a Liability Norman - Did fine at CB2 I guess when told play 15 yards off because You will get smoked Edmunds - Play your game trying to cover for the other trash LBers is making You worse DE - how about keeping freaking contain sick of watching you run yourselves out of plays DL - ALL OF YOU , Minus PS Zimmer how about you freaking disengage from a block. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) It makes sense why everyone is mad. Losing to the Broncos suck <.< Edited October 20, 2020 by dma0034 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, daz28 said: I've seen at least 2 people say our defensive game plan was good. I'm not sure I live on the same planet as those people Keep everything front and don’t let KC run up and down the field in a shoot out. If the Bills didn’t give up 250 yds on the ground and could make a timely stop on 3rd and long once in a while we would have had a shot at beating them. I put more of the blame on the players. I saw stupid penalties, poor tackling, miscommunication, and bad run fits all game. Offense had their issues and deserves some of the blame. However, this has been a steep drop off for this defense this year and I am hoping McDermott can fix some things once we hit the bye week and team gets some continuity. Hopefully, we can get Wallace and Milano back on the field sooner than later which should help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: This one reminded me of XXV. The D couldn’t stop the Run, was impossibly inept on 3rd. Downs ( did they really give up 3rd. & 11, 12 AND 14?) and finally, they got smoked on Time of Possession... 37-23 in minutes! Woeful and if not corrected... going nowhere. There are a few things the team can do realistically. First is fire Frazier, second is sign a run stuffing DT, third is cut Butler. fourth is to play Zimmer some more and fifth is get Milano back healthy. That should help the rush defense and LB play. The harder fix is going to be the pass rush. Hughes is shot, Addision is a supplemental player and Ed Oliver isn't rushing up the middle like he needs to. If I were McBeane I would call up Minny and offer a 2nd for Yannick. Minny isn't going anywhere and Yannick is on a one year deal (and you can cut Murphy to help with the cap hit.) I think the defense can be fixed. Remember last season weeks 7-11 when the defense was giving up 200 yards on the ground to bad teams? They turned it around. McD called the defense again, they brought in Lugiet, and Milano came back. A little bit more is needed this time but it is possible they turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Wonder why moss didn't have more carries in this game. Also, why can't this team run screens like every other NFL team does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Fun stat. Opposing QB has missed 12 passes Over the last 2 weeks. Read that twice Edited October 20, 2020 by TheyCallMeAndy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: As he should - he was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, billieve420 said: Keep everything front and don’t let KC run up and down the field in a shoot out. If the Bills didn’t give up 250 yds on the ground and could make a timely stop on 3rd and long once in a while we would have had a shot at beating them. I put more of the blame on the players. I saw stupid penalties, poor tackling, miscommunication, and bad run fits all game. Offense had their issues and deserves some of the blame. However, this has been a steep drop off for this defense this year and I am hoping McDermott can fix some things once we hit the bye week and team gets some continuity. Hopefully, we can get Wallace and Milano back on the field sooner than later which should help as well. I think the defense needs a shock to the system. Cut a starting player like Butler and fire Frazier, got to get these guys more motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: That's nice. Let's see it on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Steptide said: Wonder why moss didn't have more carries in this game. Also, why can't this team run screens like every other NFL team does Screens killed Dabol's family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HappyDays Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: and if KC couldn’t run at will we would have had the ball more. saying no one cares about run D is bonkers. Well, it looks like Frazier may not. That’s working out well. L’s to two top teams. I'm not saying the defense played well. But no one is beating the Chiefs with defense. I thought our defensive game plan was exactly right. You do NOT blitz Mahomes. I am shocked to see some people on here saying we didn't blitz enough. You rush 4 and give up run yardage. Keep them away from big plays and out of the endzone and your offense just has to put up points, it's that simple. Derek Carr throwing to Zay Jones and Nelson Aghalor and a rookie WR was able to do it. Allen and this offense has to be able to do it. I've already accepted the defense is going to be average at best this year. The offense has the talent to pick them up. Choke job tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob in STL Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: No one cares about run defense anymore. If Allen and the offense played at the level they did the first 4 weeks we would have magically stopped the run by halftime. Mahomes didn't play spectacular, he just made enough good throws to keep the offense on the field. If Allen did the same we would have won. He choked. I hate to say it but it's true. Mahomes was 21 of 25. He took everything we gave him. He didn’t miss any throws. He scrambled for first downs numerous times. Any time you can run all day long you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, billieve420 said: Keep everything front and don’t let KC run up and down the field in a shoot out. If the Bills didn’t give up 250 yds on the ground and could make a timely stop on 3rd and long once in a while we would have had a shot at beating them. The Bills DID give up 250 yds. They DID give up all the 3rd downs. Tweeting that you had a crappy game plan that didn't work at all is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, HappyDays said: I'm not saying the defense played well. But no one is beating the Chiefs with defense. I thought our defensive game plan was exactly right. You do NOT blitz Mahomes. I am shocked to see some people on here saying we didn't blitz enough. You rush 4 and give up run yardage. Keep them away from big plays and out of the endzone and your offense just has to put up points, it's that simple. Derek Carr throwing to Zay Jones and Nelson Aghalor and a rookie WR was able to do it. Allen and this offense has to be able to do it. I've already accepted the defense is going to be average at best this year. The offense has the talent to pick them up. Choke job tonight. They gave up 470 yards of offense and let the Chiefs dominate the ball. How can your offense win a shootout with the Chiefs when they never get the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I love Diggs, I think he likes it here. But that walking back to the line even in garbage time was crap. Got to rebound and put up a big angry win against the Jets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, delirious said: Oh on a side note - where was Tyrell Dodson? I don't think I saw him at all, yet I don't remember seeing him on the inactive list. I didn't think he was playing that bad when in previous games.... Hurt his hamstring covering a late return punt. But...to your point, he was basically invisible before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, vincec said: Their pass blocking is decent. Especially if you consider that there is no running game to worry about. 100%. The pass blocking, Josh and Diggs are the 3 main pluses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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