Warcodered Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: As he should - he was terrible. I think we might also be missing several plays from the first half where Josh managed to make some tough plays that if some of his supporting cast also made tough plays would of made things look a bit different. It was a tough first half adjusting to the rain and quiet possibly the second week in a row an opposing defense has been zeroed in on our gameplan as the game starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, vincec said: They gave up 470 yards of offense and let the Chiefs dominate the ball. How can your offense win a shootout with the Chiefs when they never get the ball?  And yet it was a one possession game late. Bottomline is the gameplan in theory worked but if you don't have a good DL to put the pressure on third and long you are going to lose against even an OK QB let alone Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, vincec said: They gave up 470 yards of offense and let the Chiefs dominate the ball. How can your offense win a shootout with the Chiefs when they never get the ball? It's called playing scared, and playing not to lose. We had to go toe to toe with them.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Here is what is even more scary: Â We have $45M in cap space dedicated to Addison, Murphy, Hughes, Butler, Jefferson. Honestly they all could be replaced... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Â I think this will make him better he is going to have some rough games. Need to get the running game going which will take some pressure off him. Hopefully, Feliciano can help with that and if Ford is out getting Spain back in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Very disappointed in Diggs at the end of the game. Â What the heck was he doing walking back to the line of scrimmage? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF4LOU Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) John brown play today? Edited October 20, 2020 by HOF4LOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:  And yet it was a one possession game late. Bottomline is the gameplan in theory worked but if you don't have a good DL to put the pressure on third and long you are going to lose against even an OK QB let alone Mahomes. We didn't choose to be choked out slowly. That's how they chose to kill us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: I think we might also be missing several plays from the first half where Josh managed to make some tough plays that if some of his supporting cast also made tough plays would of made things look a bit different. It was a tough first half adjusting to the rain and quiet possibly the second week in a row an opposing defense has been zeroed in on our gameplan as the game starts. The Brown throw and the bomb to Diggs were money. Â Both dropped. Â Diggs eventually caught the TD on that drive though. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Here is what is even more scary: Â We have $45M in cap space dedicated to Addison, Murphy, Hughes, Butler, Jefferson. Honestly they all could be replaced... Yes, the Bills have the highest paid DL group in the NFL. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/defensive-line/ Â Wrap your heads around that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Here is what is even more scary: Â We have $45M in cap space dedicated to Addison, Murphy, Hughes, Butler, Jefferson. Honestly they all could be replaced... No long term commitments though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020  Honestly, this is the point in our schedule where I thought we would be dropping some games; I felt we had too much defensive turnover and were going to miss those guys. The early injuries to Milano and Edmunds only sealed those thoughts.  But I admit that the fast start sucked me in. The problems with the defense were still there, but I was less concerned because our offense was able to score quickly and often to mask those defensive issues because we could force teams to be more one dimensional and give up on the run. Now defenses have figured out how to frustrate Daboll's schemes and Allen was not sharp and may be playing injured as well so the fast starts on offense have not been there.  Either way we are fortunate not to have been blown out as both sides of the ball have been exposed badly. Our D where it is weakest against the run and on 3rd down tendencies, ergo we cannot get off the field, and our offenses inability to run-block and Allen's performance against that shell zone coverage that takes away that mid-to-deep area that Allen is most comfortable working. I saw some guys on the defense and offense step up to play in the 4th, but it was a bit too little too late to really turn around a game where they gave up about 250 yards on the ground and cover for the offensive misfires. The consistency of complimentary football is not there yet ( a misfire to Beasley, a complete botch of blocking on a 3rd and 1 for Moss, and on the flip side two drive stop failures when our punting team had pinned KC back into their own zone yet the defense allowed them to march down the field to get 2 scores - FG and TD).  Not the end, but McD is going to have his hands full as he and this team are at a tipping point. Either they figure some things out, or you are going to have a multi-game slide on your hands with some volatile players in the mix. This is usually a disciplined team and most telling sign is when defensive leaders in the secondary show their frustration with the front line guys by tossing KC players into the benches late - you normally don't see that from White or Hyde.  It is a bad sign when offensive or defensive units start to fracture a bit and the fingers begin to point, but the Jets are a temporary cure. If they get beat by that team then McD has lost the room and needs to find a way to get it back.         Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, HOF4LOU said: John brown play today? We cante They were mugging him, and all the receivers today. That's why I'm again perplexed why we didn't air it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Here is what is even more scary: Â We have $45M in cap space dedicated to Addison, Murphy, Hughes, Butler, Jefferson. Honestly they all could be replaced... Murphy and Butler contracts are off the books next season. Hughes isn't what he used to be. Addison is our best pass rusher. Jefferson a solid depth guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:  He said that last week.  Two weeks in a row he gets beat by zone coverage.  He did not consistently take what was given underneath.  He missed easy throws to Singletary, Diggs, and Beasley - all on 3rd down and all drive killers.   Teams are forcing him to be patient and accurate and he is not getting it done.  He had no running game to help him either.  He is the best running threat we have.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 And we dont need Clowney or Yannick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: The Bills DID give up 250 yds. They DID give up all the 3rd downs. Tweeting that you had a crappy game plan that didn't work at all is just ridiculous.  You can argue it either way I am just saying I think the players deserve more of the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: The Brown throw and the bomb to Diggs were money. Â Both dropped. Â Diggs eventually caught the TD on that drive though. Â The Brown ball was deflected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: We didn't choose to be choked out slowly. That's how they chose to kill us  They took what we gave them but couldn't get that turnover or that third down stop late to give the offense the chance to win late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Was KC in crisis last year when they lost four out of five? Â Yes it was, but they turned it around. If we right the ship too, then it will be crisis averted. Until then...we are in a crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, billieve420 said: You can argue it either way I am just saying I think the players deserve more of the blame. They both do, and so does the GM for having no real DT's Just now, billsfan89 said:  They took what we gave them but couldn't get that turnover or that third down stop late to give the offense the chance to win late. Hard to get that late stop when you give the 15 yds free TWICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, vincec said: They gave up 470 yards of offense and let the Chiefs dominate the ball. How can your offense win a shootout with the Chiefs when they never get the ball? Â We both had 9 drives. And their defense is not any better than ours. Allen did settle down in the 4th but it's too late. We can't expect to beat the best offenses in the league with 3 quarters of bad QB play. I'm clinging to the hope that his injury is affecting him worse than we know... his regression the past two weeks defies reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, ngbills said: And we dont need Clowney or Yannick... You know Clowney has 7 tackles and zero sacks this year? Oh and this https://www.google.com/amp/s/12thmanrising.com/2020/10/17/seahawks-better-without-jadeveon-clowney/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) The offensive line is as big a problem as the pass rush. I'd also love to know what KC was doing that made it impossible to pass? Just the rain? Edited October 20, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said:  Hard to get that late stop when you give the 15 yds free TWICE  Yup completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: And we dont need Clowney or Yannick... You ALWAYS stop the run first. We need DT's. The DE might do just fine with DT's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Can we please go back to 1:00 PM Sunday games, prime time games are not this teams forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:   It's great he takes the onus on him, but the worst part of his statement is that it's absolutely true.  This year Allen pretty much determines the outcome of our games. In years past when we had a strong running game and/or strong D, mediocre to poor QB play could be overcome by the team for a W. Not this year.  That's both exciting and terrifying. Part of the reason it's terrifying is because the offensive game plan going into these games doesn't seem to really acknowledge that. We too often have runs for little or no yardage on 1st and/or 2nd down only to get behind the sticks.  Oh yeah... and TOO MANY DROPS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, The Jokeman said: You know Clowney has 7 tackles and zero sacks this year? Oh and this https://www.google.com/amp/s/12thmanrising.com/2020/10/17/seahawks-better-without-jadeveon-clowney/amp/ Just like the score of this game. What is on paper does not tell the whole story. Clowney is a disruptive force. We have no one like that on this team. Watch Clowney play and tell me how many times he is getting manhandled and pushed 5 yards downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Processes are inheritinly predictable.  Way too beholden to the play scripts just like last year. The lack of, or fear of, deviating from the script costs the team games.  It works great when you play against subpar coaching talent like Gase and fellow script loving coaches like McVay.  Andy Reid? BB?  Not a chance. Those guys know you are coming and from what direction.  This team will need to change up the strategy often to beat the good teams this year.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, daz28 said: You ALWAYS stop the run first. We need DT's. The DE might do just fine with DT's Clowney is an end that can help stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: The offensive line is as big a problem as the pass rush. If also love to know what KC was doing that meet it impossible to pass? Just the rain? Â I hope Mongo can come back and bring some nasty play back to the oline. The lack of a push in the ground game is disturbing. But the pass rush is a huge concern. They might need to trade for a big pass rusher. I would call up Minny and see if they would take a 2nd for Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:  Yes it was, but they turned it around. If we right the ship too, then it will be crisis averted. Until then...we are in a crisis. It's not ideal that being a prolific passing offense is our identity, but it SHOULD be that until we get other ducks in order. If the D sucks, we have to gamble on plays, and hope we get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Kyler Murray is a miniature, faster Josh Allen. This guy blows. How was he ever in the MVP discussion lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We've been beaten up by literally #1 and #2 in the NFL. I know we thought we were there, but we are still good and have a lot going. We need to get on track vs the Jets, and show some toughness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: It's not coincidence that Allen is regressing at the same time defenses around the league are starting to catch up. Uh, that’s because it’s a tautology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, RichRiderBills said: We've been beaten up by literally #1 and #2 in the NFL. I know we thought we were there, but we are still good and have a lot going. We need to get on track vs the Jets, and show some toughness. There are several teams that are ahead of the Bills now besides KC and Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The worst part about giving up 6,7, or 8 ypc to the rb was the feeling that kc was just content to play that game and could have just as easily destroyed us through the air at any point had they become dissatisfied with the perfect game script for the given weather conditions/opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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