Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: This time last year Tua was the consensus #1. A lot can happen in the next several months This isn't s an excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 As much as the Jets are awful I think he ends up in Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Riv Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Its likely going to be the Jets, unless Darnold proves he belongs over the next 14 games. The Jets front office set him up to fail so far, sad situation for sure. NY has never fired a coach during the season, so we won't really know anything until January, but my guess is they make a run at Josh McDaniels and draft Lawrence. They'll trade Darnold, cut Bell and build an offensive line. Probably won't work, its the Jets....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 8 hours ago, LeGOATski said: The 49ers after all those injuries. Still way too much talent. They are at least an 8-8 team. 8 hours ago, Warcodered said: I mean it's not really the same, moving on from a 1st round QB after 1 year is very different from moving on after 3. Agreed. The Browns have too much talent to compete for Lawrence, but I could definitely see them drafting a QB this year if Baker doesn’t turn it around quickly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Would they take a QB or stick with Sam and swap out of 1? Unless they are idiots - the Jets have to take the QB - just because of the contract. After this season it is 5th year contract decision and then long term contract time for Darnold and they have wasted his cheap years. Yes they could get a boat load of picks for Lawerence, but if you figure those spread out over several years - you are to the point of paying your QB 40 million and it will impact who you can retain. Lawerence resets that window and let’s you spend on FA to build around him and use your draft picks on future talent to grow with him. I just don’t see the Jets as getting a top 3 pick. They are terrible right now, but I think around game 6-7 when the pressure is off - they will start to stack a few wins and end up with 4-6 wins by the end. Darnold will get hot and some teams will overlook them and bam. I expect Carolina, Jacksonville, Cincinnati, NYG, Detroit, and/or Minnesota to all be in the 2-5 win range with shots at picking before NYJs. Edited September 25, 2020 by Rochesterfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 jets, maybe broncos, detroit, and carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Additionally, I think it was in the Athletic- there was an excellent article about how the Jets window has been screwed up and how important that is to winning. The critical winning windows look at Coach contract length, GM contract length, and QB Contract length. The Bills screwed this up for years also, but the Jets have been in Hell with this the last decade. You retain a GM and let them hire a coach - the GM wants to be more aggressive as his seat is getting hot, but the coach wants his own guys and QB. They start to build, but then the GM is fired in 2 years and a new GM comes in. Now the coach is getting on the hot seat, but the GM wants to build and therefore trades for more picks and basically sets the Coach and QB up for 1-2 bad years and then you reset the coach. Now the new coach wants his players and the GM has wasted his safe years and you see the cycle repeat. The Jets are still in that cycle as Gase does not seem sold on Darnold nor Bell - so Joe Douglas has to move on. If they fire Gase and draft Lawerence/Fields - they have a chance to set up a 5 year plan where the GM, Coach, and QB all have about 4 years to make it work. I believe they screw this up by retaining Gase after this year (lots of term left on his contract) and try to let him and Joe Douglas build together until the fans totally revolt (as Bills fans did with Jauron as HC). Just my opinion, but I think the hardest thing to do is to get the Coach/GM/QB window aligned and set so that everyone has enough time to implement a plan and grow a team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Yours is an interesting scenario. I would consider it even a bit low for this kid. He might be considered the best prospect since Petyton Manning or even John Elway. Certainly is, but I figured the Jets will find at least one way to screw up a first round pick. 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Not too dark horse: Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Well well a draft thread in September.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthebuff Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Warcodered said: Definitely a pretty good chance whoever it is going to be will be new and might not want to be saddled with a quiet possibly damaged 1st round pick. Like what AZ did with Josh Rosen by drafting Kyler Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I think it's hard to tell this year because technically the teams are still in their preseason . Usually there are 4 PS games seeing as this is week 3 i'm not sure any one can say who sucks or not . A lot is said about how the preseason sucks fans & players alike want teams to only play 2 PS games but you always here the coaches & some players talk of Getting into game shape" as practice is a bit slower & not at full speed or full on hitting so it takes those games along with practice to get use to live action again . Live Action (Turtle man i love his call) So i think things will start to show just who will be decent and who will not but i do believe given the Bills continuity they are playing really good only to get better with time on the field . So come on with Live Action !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Who, to you, looks like they'll have the #1 pick? To me, the Jets have looked bad but will get some wins. Jags, despite having a win, will suck, the Vikings are a dark horse as they look surprisingly brutal. I could also see a team already with a young QB like the Giants or Bengals getting the pick and trading it for a boatload. The Giants, IMO, would have to take Lawrence if they finish dead last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Who, to you, looks like they'll have the #1 pick? To me, the Jets have looked bad but will get some wins. Jags, despite having a win, will suck, the Vikings are a dark horse as they look surprisingly brutal. I could also see a team already with a young QB like the Giants or Bengals getting the pick and trading it for a boatload. I had not thought about the Vikings being in the Lawrence sweepstakes prior to the season, but now that I've seen them play, this is a real possibility. They would most likely love the opportunity to walk away from Cousins given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Would they take a QB or stick with Sam and swap out of 1? QB - 5 years of lawrence cheap - or 2 years of Darnold. If he fixes things he commands a ton of money, which forces you to dismantle what you're building. Just now, buffaloboyinATL said: I had not thought about the Vikings being in the Lawrence sweepstakes prior to the season, but now that I've seen them play, this is a real possibility. They would most likely love the opportunity to walk away from Cousins given the chance. They lost a ton on their defense. But kubiak offenses can still make it happen with that zone rushing and PA. I think they can win a few games. 3 minutes ago, Beast said: The Giants, IMO, would have to take Lawrence if they finish dead last. Anyone should. He's a polished prospect, and fits in like any modern offense. Athletic, makes all the throws, a gamer in big situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 The Jets but Lawrence won't fix their issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 The top 5 in draft order will be: 1. NY Giants - The Giants could possibly not win a game all year without Saquon, but I think they luck into 1 or 2 wins. 2. Jacksonville Jaguars - This race for #1 will be neck and neck between the Giants/Jags, with the shocker in week 1 being why they end up #2. 3.Carolina Panthers - The Panthers have a tough road as well, but this was expected because they are rebuilding. 4. NY Jets - They will win too many to get Lawrence, but lose enough to have another top 5 pick to squander. 5. Detroit Lions - Patricia was a DC? Could have fooled me. This team needs to be completely dismantled and they need to start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: This isn't s an excellent point. Why? How many guys were supposed to be number one overall and went back to college and fell in the draft. Leinart, Barkley, Herbert, Marriota, and Tua are all recent examples of guys who were supposed to go number 1 overall and did not. If Lawrence plays well I think he will go #1 but he started last year slowly before getting better as the year went on. Maybe someone else will emerge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Why? How many guys were supposed to be number one overall and went back to college and fell in the draft. Leinart, Barkley, Herbert, Marriota, and Tua are all recent examples of guys who were supposed to go number 1 overall and did not. If Lawrence plays well I think he will go #1 but he started last year slowly before getting better as the year went on. Maybe someone else will emerge. DOH Phone fail there. It should have said "is" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) Jets have a tough schedule and where is the talent?... If Darnold stops being terrible, he could will them into a couple games but they are BAD... Mekhi Becton looks like a home run pick at LT, but that’s literally the only guy on that offense that looks better than average. Jamison Crowder as a slot WR could be added to that mix. Fant is average and is hurt now. Their interior OL is a dumpster fire. The mid-level OL signings are not looking too hot. Herndon, Mims, Perriman... average, at best... constantly hurt, at worst. Bell... meh. They’re literally throwing Gore out there as a bell cow back.... On Defense, they have a solid DL and Marcus Maye/Brian Poole. Linebackers, trash... corners, trash. I want them to win some games. I don’t want them getting TLaw, but I’m not sure why we all think they’ll inevitably win a few.... If Sam can will them to some victories, he wins enough games to avoid the Lawrence temptation and saves his job. If not... I think they reset and take Trevor at no. 1. Edited September 25, 2020 by SCBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: DOH Phone fail there. It should have said "is" Happens to me all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, SCBills said: Jets have a tough schedule and where is the talent?... If Darnold stops being terrible, he could will them into a couple games but they are BAD... Mekhi Becton looks like a home run pick at LT, but that’s literally the only guy on that offense that looks better than average. Jamison Crowder as a slot WR could be added to that mix. Fant is average and is hurt now. Their interior OL is a dumpster fire. The mid-level OL signings are not looking too hot. Herndon, Mims, Perriman... average, at best... constantly hurt, at worst. Bell... meh. They’re literally throwing Gore out there as a bell cow back.... On Defense, they have a solid DL and Marcus Maye/Brian Poole. Linebackers, trash... corners, trash. I want them to win some games. I don’t want them getting TLaw, but I’m not sure why we all think they’ll inevitably win a few.... If Sam can will them to some victories, he wins enough games to avoid the Lawrence temptation and saves his job. If not... I think they reset and take Trevor at no. 1. Impossible to argue with this. I don’t see a win for them on their schedule right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 My bet is on the Panthers or the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberal Bob Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I follow Clemson FB pretty close and while Lawrence is going to be the first player off the board but the freshman 5 star QB from California is even better than him. I would not be surprised at all to see them splitting snaps as the season rolls on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Liberal Bob said: I follow Clemson FB pretty close and while Lawrence is going to be the first player off the board but the freshman 5 star QB from California is even better than him. I would not be surprised at all to see them splitting snaps as the season rolls on. Maybe due to blowouts... there’s no way, in a close game, any other QB is playing outside of Trevor. I spend a decent amount of time in Greenville, SC and also know a good bit about Clemson. My only worry about him as a pro prospect is he has a tendency to have huge numbers due to throwing a decent amount of jump balls to monster wide receivers, while also having a back in Etienne that teams have to worry about. Burrow was schemed into hitting wide open guys all year at LSU. Lawrence just has absurd talent and a bunch of big catch radius guys out there with him. If I was the Jets, I’d still run to the podium to take him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 How Jetsian would it be for them to win one more game than the Giants, and allow Lawrence to settle into the locker room at the other end of MetLife for 15 years?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberal Bob Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 7 hours ago, SCBills said: Maybe due to blowouts... there’s no way, in a close game, any other QB is playing outside of Trevor. I spend a decent amount of time in Greenville, SC and also know a good bit about Clemson. If I was the Jets, I’d still run to the podium to take him though. D.J. Uiagalelei is a name to remember... Mauldin area here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 23 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Who, to you, looks like they'll have the #1 pick? To me, the Jets have looked bad but will get some wins. Jags, despite having a win, will suck, the Vikings are a dark horse as they look surprisingly brutal. I could also see a team already with a young QB like the Giants or Bengals getting the pick and trading it for a boatload. Panthers or lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Unless they are idiots - the Jets have to take the QB - just because of the contract. After this season it is 5th year contract decision and then long term contract time for Darnold and they have wasted his cheap years. Yes they could get a boat load of picks for Lawerence, but if you figure those spread out over several years - you are to the point of paying your QB 40 million and it will impact who you can retain. Lawerence resets that window and let’s you spend on FA to build around him and use your draft picks on future talent to grow with him. I just don’t see the Jets as getting a top 3 pick. They are terrible right now, but I think around game 6-7 when the pressure is off - they will start to stack a few wins and end up with 4-6 wins by the end. Darnold will get hot and some teams will overlook them and bam. I expect Carolina, Jacksonville, Cincinnati, NYG, Detroit, and/or Minnesota to all be in the 2-5 win range with shots at picking before NYJs. Why would the Jets have to trade Sam in the event and they drafted Lawrence? Can’t they keep both and May the best man win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: Why would the Jets have to trade Sam in the event and they drafted Lawrence? Can’t they keep both and May the best man win? The premise of the OP is do the Jets take Lawerence and trade Darnold or do the Jets trade the rights to Lawerence for a bunch of future picks and build around Darnold - so ask the OP. They could keep Darnold, but then you risk lose him for nothing. If you are drafting Lawerence, it is because Darnold struggled again this year - so you are not exercising his fifth year option - so next year would be his last year. If he is the better man and beats out Lawerence - then it becomes the Chargers and Drew Brees all over again. It just seems if you can get another 2nd or 3rd - get it and find and pay a veteran that has a more similar style to Lawerence to install an offense built around his mobility and arm strength. Someone that understands his role and isn’t playing for a future starting role on another team and might be there a year or 2 to help the development and growth. Someone like an RG3 from Baltimore for example on a 2 year 6-8 million contract to provide stability and a cushion. . Edited September 26, 2020 by Rochesterfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 11:12 PM, LeGOATski said: The 49ers after all those injuries. Not a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 10:32 PM, Warcodered said: I mean if they fire Gase, Gregg might be able to pull them out of last. But right now they are just imploding so thoroughly. I have it on good.....well authority right here that they are going on a tare so this may not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/25/2020 at 8:09 AM, Rochesterfan said: Unless they are idiots - the Jets have to take the QB - just because of the contract. After this season it is 5th year contract decision and then long term contract time for Darnold and they have wasted his cheap years. Yes they could get a boat load of picks for Lawerence, but if you figure those spread out over several years - you are to the point of paying your QB 40 million and it will impact who you can retain. Lawerence resets that window and let’s you spend on FA to build around him and use your draft picks on future talent to grow with him. I just don’t see the Jets as getting a top 3 pick. They are terrible right now, but I think around game 6-7 when the pressure is off - they will start to stack a few wins and end up with 4-6 wins by the end. Darnold will get hot and some teams will overlook them and bam. I expect Carolina, Jacksonville, Cincinnati, NYG, Detroit, and/or Minnesota to all be in the 2-5 win range with shots at picking before NYJs. Spot on. I do expect Carolina to pick up enough wins to screw their chances, their schedule is full of teams that should be drafting top 5, we’ll see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: The premise of the OP is do the Jets take Lawerence and trade Darnold or do the Jets trade the rights to Lawerence for a bunch of future picks and build around Darnold - so ask the OP. They could keep Darnold, but then you risk lose him for nothing. If you are drafting Lawerence, it is because Darnold struggled again this year - so you are not exercising his fifth year option - so next year would be his last year. If he is the better man and beats out Lawerence - then it becomes the Chargers and Drew Brees all over again. It just seems if you can get another 2nd or 3rd - get it and find and pay a veteran that has a more similar style to Lawerence to install an offense built around his mobility and arm strength. Someone that understands his role and isn’t playing for a future starting role on another team and might be there a year or 2 to help the development and growth. Someone like an RG3 from Baltimore for example on a 2 year 6-8 million contract to provide stability and a cushion. . The absolute best thing they could hope for is a Rivers/Breese situation and then slap a tag on Sam, deal him for picks. It’s hard to give up on Darnold, but in no way, shape or form do you let a guy as highly regarded as Trevor slip past you for a hope that you have the right guy. Only idiot teams do that, it would be like not drafting Watson or Maholmes because you have Tyrod Taylor showing a lot of promise, there is NO team dumb enough to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Really hope it’s an NFC team that ends up with the first pick... 11 minutes ago, DCofNC said: The absolute best thing they could hope for is a Rivers/Breese situation and then slap a tag on Sam, deal him for picks. It’s hard to give up on Darnold, but in no way, shape or form do you let a guy as highly regarded as Trevor slip past you for a hope that you have the right guy. Only idiot teams do that, it would be like not drafting Watson or Maholmes because you have Tyrod Taylor showing a lot of promise, there is NO team dumb enough to do that. Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 10:26 PM, 4merper4mer said: Who, to you, looks like they'll have the #1 pick? To me, the Jets have looked bad but will get some wins. Jags, despite having a win, will suck, the Vikings are a dark horse as they look surprisingly brutal. I could also see a team already with a young QB like the Giants or Bengals getting the pick and trading it for a boatload. The Jets just look really terrible on both sides of the ball. They’ll probably struggle to win in conference and play the NFC West. I can see them winning 2 or 3 games to finish with the #1 and probably trade Darnold for a second round pick. The others that you talked about...Jacksonville looks like a team that will win 5 or 6 games. There is something special about Minshew. Minnesota might not do much better but they have a lot of talent and are probably closer to at least 7 or 8 in a bad season. Cincy will struggle to win and could challenge for the pick but I think Burrow will be good enough to win them more than NYJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Where has Rosen signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) I'm hoping he goes to the NFC just for competitive balance. The breakdown of good young QB's. AFC: Allen Mahomes Jackson Burrow- too early by looks like a great start Watson? - maybe his team will hold him back? or is he not as good as we first thought We have no idea about Tua. NFC: Murray- he looks special Wentz??? Goff??? The NFC is stacked in middle aged to old QB's. Edited September 26, 2020 by Sammy Watkins' Rib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 hours ago, djp14150 said: Where has Rosen signed? Tampa Practice Squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I'm hoping he goes to the NFC just for competitive balance. The breakdown of good young QB's. AFC: Allen Mahomes Jackson Burrow- too early by looks like a great start Watson? - maybe his team will hold him back? or is he not as good as we first thought We have no idea about Tua. NFC: Murray- he looks special Wentz??? Goff??? The NFC is stacked in middle aged to old QB's. and Justin Herbert for the chargers had a pretty good game against the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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