SoCal Deek Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 There's only one football. The Bills do not need another target in the passing game. (They could trade for a tub of stick-um for Cole's hands though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: No. An Ertz signing guarantees that Milano falls off your roster. Too high a cost. Not really. Trade for Ertz and he'll fit almost perfectly into our current cap space thanks to dead money. We don't even need to trade anyone. We can get him for a 2nd and just eat his cap as is. You re-sign Ertz, sign him to a huge sign on (~20M, 4 years), and then backload the guaranteed money to years 3 and 4. That means next year you could lower his cap hit to ~7-9M.. Milano you can do the same, and his value is probably similar - so another 7-9M cap hit. So about 14- 18M you want to clear. Addison +6M Quentin Spain (+4M) Restructure Star (extend him 3 years, lower his cap hit to about 2-3M, save about 4M) Vernon Butler (+6.8M) Lee Smith (+2.2M) And there you go. We already have AJ to replace Addison, we can easily draft a new starting gaurd, a backup DT, TE- and keep the only FA of note, Milano, and keep someone like Ertz. This van ABSOLUTELY happen. Bills should go for this, because their window is NOW. 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Is Ertz related to any 'A list' celebrities? Then we'll consider it. How about a world cup winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Besides, the real issue is going to be Josh Allen. His cap number is going to up by ~ 30M in 2022, and that is going to be basically a brand new team outside the core - and you very much want Ertz to be a part of that core, as he should continue to be elite for another 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I'd trade for Allen Robinson..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, appoo said: How about a world cup winner? As long as the network announcers can work it into the game broadcast at least once a half...🙄 And knowing how the membership here has a way of confusing the facts, Ertz will be related to Secretariat by the time we get done with the genealogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I'd trade for Allen Robinson..... The John Brown ~ Josh Allen Chemistry is too valuable to give that up right now (and you'd have to send Brown back the other way, or possibly Cole Beasley, but regardless that's a big change in the offense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 If his wife comes in the package as a kicker, absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 hours ago, whatdrought said: I wouldnt simply cause of what we’d have to pay both in compensation and contract. The big point of question for me is whether or not we’re not using TE’s by choice, or by necessity. Knox looked good when he was out there, we just didn’t use him all that much. I'd have to watch the All-22 to verify this, but it seemed like Knox was used in the backfield as a blocker quite a bit yesterday. The gameplan had more 10 personnel than I would have expected, and when Knox WAS in, he was often motioned into the backfield as a blocker. The Bills seemed to say "we don't think your corners can cover our wide receivers". I think they felt that was the better matchup than, say, Knox against Marcus Maye. I like Knox a lot and think he can be a top 10 TE in this league, so it will be interesting to see how the Bills use him going forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 He wants Kittle and Kelce money. As a player he is an upgrade. Moneywise I dont see him fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Rather have Goedert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I don’t think they could afford him while planning to retain this core group of young players they’ve developed, for the long haul. But if they could manage to trade and extend him while keeping other pieces moving forward (safeties, Edmunds, Allen), then yeah, definitely. Not sure what the price would be since ATL gave up a 2nd for Hayden Hurst... but an elite TE is huge difference maker, look at the two teams in the Super Bowl last year, arguably the two best TEs in the game right now. Brady with peak Gronk, and that other dude... Manning had Dallas Clark... Elway and Sharpe... Elite TE’s seem to be a pretty big piece to the puzzle in terms of winning it all, and contending for a title consistently. Knox is progressing, but definitely not on Ertz’s level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Contract negotiations not going well in Philly. They already have Goedert. Wonder what it would take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 What an INteresting idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 As much as id like it we may be in line to give both Milano and Allen huge extensions at some point. It would be smarter to draft a TE in 1st round if we want an elite talent there. That way they would be on a rookie deal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Buffalo Bills estimated 2020 remaining cap space: $3,452,497, according to Spotrac Zach Ertz 2020 base salary: $6,660,000, according to Spotrac Yeah, I see no problems here at all. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: What an INteresting idea. please don’t make posts like this. If you’d like to reference another topic then please do so. The whole “in“ thing needs to stop. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: As much as id like it we may be in line to give both Milano and Allen huge extensions at some point. It would be smarter to draft a TE in 1st round if we want an elite talent there. That way they would be on a rookie deal This.. trading for Ertz means we give up draft capital AND lose Milano. Highly doubtful we can give Ertz a new contract and keep Milano. There’s some filthy tight ends in the draft if we end up feeling the need to upgrade over/add to Knox. Brevin Jordan and Kyle Pitts immediately come to mind. Edited September 21, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 A cheaper option is Cameron Brate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 People need to get over the “trading for Ertz” thing. A. We don’t need him B. It would probably take a lot to land him C. Don’t want to pay a TE that much money when we have a few potential big extensions coming up soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirAllenPower Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Not giving up on knox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Ertz is way overpaid. I can wait until the draft to address TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghs24mike Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Yeah wayyy to soon to give up on knox. Made a great grab over the middle and the ball was ripped out. Not a drop on his part. Give him a few more weeks (after recovering from the concussion) and he will be rolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsMafi$ said: Contract negotiations not going well in Philly. They already have Goedert. Wonder what it would take. 1st off they can't afford him without cutting others and cutting even more next season. 2nd, the Bills are keeping Knox on the field, so how many times are they going to go with two TE's. And at the expense of sitting which of the three wide outs. Maybe we'll sit Diggs. 3rd, with the 3 main WR's and even throw in Davis as a 4th, how many targets will the TE even get in this offense. 4th to be able to afford the 3 top WR's the team has, you have to have cheap rookie contracts at other spots. San Fran has Kittle, but the WR group isn't anything that special. KC does have a pretty good group and Kerse, but likely are saving in other places. So having Knox there, and Gillian, and Sweeney is a good thing. I'm sure you can show statistically how this will work out great based on simulations in Madden, but when you actually have to pay guys, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 No. We have weapons as it is and this is not the year to be trading away O-line help, which is what the Eagles desperately need in a trade for Ertz. Not to mention that, even if the Eagles don't want players for Ertz, we're going to need every draft pick if we're gonna start paying Allen $40M a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 1:23 PM, appoo said: I started this thread like a week before game 1 when word of Ertz's contract issues surfaced. Here's the thing - The Bills likely have a 2-3 year window at most. 1) Allen likely gets paid next year 2) Milano will get paid this off season 3) In 2 years, Oliver will get paid 4) John Brown and Cole Beasley probably will degrade next year 5) Quinton Spain is 29, Mitch Morse is 28, Daryl Williams is 28, Ty Neshke is 34. Outside of Ford, Dawkins and Bates the line is going to have to get overhauled in about 2 years . CURRENTLY, the Bills have a glaring hole at not only TE, but in terms of a large target in general. We don't have size outside of the rookie, other than a very aberage TE in Dawson Knox. Ertz is one of the 3 best TEs in the League, flat out, in his prime. His cap hit, if sign and extend for 3 years, would be about $12M. 5.3M in Cap Space now, about $4M next year, and we can easily free up more with off season cuts to folks like Mario Addison (+6M), Star (+4M), and Cole Beasley (+4M). Adding Ertz means you eat a bit of depth by replacing vets with rookies or cheap F/A NEXT year, but it also means you have an even better shot at winning this thing this year or next year. You do this every opportunity you get. Ertz turns a really good offense, to one of the 3 best in the NFL, with probably the best weapons of any team in the league. no. Making these types of moves is how you create a 2-3 year window. Bills are building the team for sustained success. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Too much money. We need to be looking at ways to cut cap next year, not spend big money on a soon to be 30yr old TE. We’ve got weapons, they just need to develop. I really think it’s going to be a lot of draft and develop for the next couple seasons with the cap being affected by Covid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Cole Beasley + 2nd would likely land Ertz, in terms of balancing the cap. You would have him running those middle, possession and seam routes instead of Cole as well, and you can do more with Gabe Davis. You can extend him in such a way that you probably limit his cap hit to 8-12M, or put another way, 2 - 5M more of a cap hit than Cole Beasley the next 3 years. Basically, this is not a huge deal for the Bills. They can easily work around this. Especially considering Ertz is an absolute stud. The Bill haven't had a SB window since Jim Kelly retired. They have one now. They should do pretty much everything to maximize that opportunity. The CAP isn't a huge blockage, a low 2nd round pick shouldn't stop you. Upgrading your slot, seam and middle from Beasley to Ertz is absolutely not going to stop you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 4:34 AM, Kmart128 said: As much as id like it we may be in line to give both Milano and Allen huge extensions at some point. It would be smarter to draft a TE in 1st round if we want an elite talent there. That way they would be on a rookie deal Mario Addison (+6M) Vernon Butler (+6.8M) Lee Smith (2.3M) Give you the space to resign Milano to the 21 cap. You extend Allen to impact the 2022 cap, where they'll have about 80M in space assuming trading and then extending Ertz, re-signing Milano, with White, Diggs, and Morse all signed. You can structure Allen's extension in such a way where a HUGE chunk of it goes into the 2022 cap. The 21 Bills are going to be loaded. The 22 Bills should have a very solid base, with Allen, Moss, Singletary, Diggs, and Ertz as your offensive core, with White, Poyer, Edwards, Oliver, AJ, and Milano still aboard, and about 30M in space to fill the roster. 23 Allen's hit starts to fade, and you get your Oliver hit. In the meantime, you're drafting RTs, WRs, and Safeties to protect against the purges in those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, appoo said: Mario Addison (+6M) Vernon Butler (+6.8M) Lee Smith (2.3M) Give you the space to resign Milano to the 21 cap. You extend Allen to impact the 2022 cap, where they'll have about 80M in space assuming trading and then extending Ertz, re-signing Milano, with White, Diggs, and Morse all signed. You can structure Allen's extension in such a way where a HUGE chunk of it goes into the 2022 cap. The 21 Bills are going to be loaded. The 22 Bills should have a very solid base, with Allen, Moss, Singletary, Diggs, and Ertz as your offensive core, with White, Poyer, Edwards, Oliver, AJ, and Milano still aboard, and about 30M in space to fill the roster. 23 Allen's hit starts to fade, and you get your Oliver hit. In the meantime, you're drafting RTs, WRs, and Safeties to protect against the purges in those positions. With the current cap space rolled over to next year gives you 2.5 million. But that is for only 41 players on the roster. Have you looked at the FA list for next year? Money is also needed to re-sign/replace these guys. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2021/ Sorry here are the FAs. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/buffalo-bills/ Edited September 23, 2020 by ColoradoBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 9:38 AM, Crayola64 said: no. Making these types of moves is how you create a 2-3 year window. Bills are building the team for sustained success. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: With the current cap space rolled over to next year gives you 2.5 million. But that is for only 41 players on the roster. Have you looked at the FA list for next year? Money is also needed to re-sign/replace these guys. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2021/ Sorry here are the FAs. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/buffalo-bills/ You raise a good point here, I forgot about COVID, and figured the CAP would be in the 210M range. If it's set at 175M, there's going to be a huge contractions of vets. We wouldn't be be able to replace most of those players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I was looking forward to seeing if Sweeney had progressed this year...then the foot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, appoo said: Mario Addison (+6M) Vernon Butler (+6.8M) Lee Smith (2.3M) Give you the space to resign Milano to the 21 cap. You extend Allen to impact the 2022 cap, where they'll have about 80M in space assuming trading and then extending Ertz, re-signing Milano, with White, Diggs, and Morse all signed. You can structure Allen's extension in such a way where a HUGE chunk of it goes into the 2022 cap. The 21 Bills are going to be loaded. The 22 Bills should have a very solid base, with Allen, Moss, Singletary, Diggs, and Ertz as your offensive core, with White, Poyer, Edwards, Oliver, AJ, and Milano still aboard, and about 30M in space to fill the roster. 23 Allen's hit starts to fade, and you get your Oliver hit. In the meantime, you're drafting RTs, WRs, and Safeties to protect against the purges in those positions. And who do we replace addison with? Butker? Murphy is gone too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 If they keep the cap at 175M, then Bills, and everyone else, will be screwed. I am going to guess the cap will be closer to 205M. 175M is just not sustainable for teams. If the cap is 205M, then the Bills shouldn't have to worry too much about re-signing the middle class of their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, appoo said: If they keep the cap at 175M, then Bills, and everyone else, will be screwed. I am going to guess the cap will be closer to 205M. 175M is just not sustainable for teams. If the cap is 205M, then the Bills shouldn't have to worry too much about re-signing the middle class of their roster. The cap next year is even beyond Beane's pay grade. Brandon already said he is going with the 175 number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 If the price was right, then why not!?!?! But I don’t think the Bills will make a deal. They do have high hopes for Dawson Knox and they like players like Tyler Kroft and Tommy Sweeney. Plus they have been playing a lot of 4 wide. So does it make sense to trade for a player that would be used sparingly and take reps away from a player who could be a rising star? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JohnNord said: If the price was right, then why not!?!?! But I don’t think the Bills will make a deal. They do have high hopes for Dawson Knox and they like players like Tyler Kroft and Tommy Sweeney. Plus they have been playing a lot of 4 wide. So does it make sense to trade for a player that would be used sparingly and take reps away from a player who could be a rising star? It's not Knox that will give the Bills brass a 2nd though about trading for Ertiz, I think its Gabe Davis. Kid has bigtime potential as a big target in the RZ, and making difficult contested catches in the intermediate and short areas. Edited September 23, 2020 by appoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) No...injury prone and would cost too much. Now, Kelce, Kittle, Edwards, Higbee, and the Raiders TE is something that ain't happening but would be intriguing. Edited September 23, 2020 by Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 9:51 AM, Buffalo03 said: The Eagles have two TEs and Dallas Goedert seems to have a big role in that offense. He actually seemed to be more effective than Ertz toward the end of last season and he out targeted Ertz on Sunday. Apparently, Ertz got into an argument with Howie Roseman in practice last week as well so, there could be some possible issues there. I wouldn't mind calling the Eagles just to see if they would be interested in doing something but a TE like Ertz in this offense would be great imo I think Roseman is too smart to trade the parts of their offense that work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 9:38 AM, Crayola64 said: no. Making these types of moves is how you create a 2-3 year window. Bills are building the team for sustained success. The only requirement for sustained success is great consistent coaching and great consistent QBing. How did some of you watch the Pats for the last 20 years and somehow think that “draft picks!!!!” and “cap space!!!!” were so gosh darned important? 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think Roseman is too smart to trade the parts of their offense that work This. Trading away Wentz’ most consistent target when he’s already struggling is just a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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