Can someone explain the Josh Allen hate from Bomani Jones and Dominique Foxworth??

[Luka]

Josh Allen lacks the appropriate amount of skin pigment to receive national praise.

[Augie]

11 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I’ve stopped watching everything ESPN related for about 8 years now. 

 

On a related note, did you see they are cutting several hundred additional jobs? I rarely watch ESPN myself. For some reason watching people yell at each other does not entertain me. 

 

Bomani does seem to have an agenda that makes me uncomfortable at times. I’m surprised ESPN allows it, to be honest. 

Edited November 11, 2020 by Augie

[QLBillsFan]

Again it’s about narrative. JA is not in the wheelhouse of guys they like. It’s as simple as that. ESPN being so woke has cost many jobs because they got away from sports. I’m gonna guess we are all gonna get more woke over the next four years.
 

I’m fine with objective thought out criticism of JA’s game or anyone for that matter. But many in national don’t take the time to do that. JA is upsetting the narrative and it pisses them off. Lazy journalism is what we see from most national media. 

[smuvtalker]

23 hours ago, H2o said:

I've never like Jones or Foxworth. Two peas in a pod and the combined IQ of that pod is 1. 

1?  Damn you're generous...

 

But seriously, after listening to those two tools, the ONLY logical thing I could think was "clickbait".  They are obviously ignorant, lack any semblance of real football knowledge, and are just a couple of desperate trolls.  It was almost comical.

[Chicken Boo]

I love Bomani, but Josh has to do more to gain national acclaim.  He's playing great, but Seattle's defense is historically bad.  

[CSBill]

But Tua is great, according to them. What more credibility do you need?

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Can you explain who Bomani Jones and Dominque Foxworth are and why I should give a crap what they think?

 

Otherwise: behold the field in which I grow my ***** and lo! how it is barren

 

I have literally only ever heard of them through this thread. I have zero idea who they are and if we want to worry about such low level nobodies hating on Josh Allen we have bigger problems than we think. This thread should be shut down and these two idiots should be starved of the oxygen of attention.

[Doc Brown]

14 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

 

Pretty sure Rush Limbaugh did that with Donovan McNab.  Fired on the spot.

 

Here's me holding my breath....

I remember that well and it was more of a critique of the media which he's famous for.  ESPN didn't fire him right away but eventually did after a lot of complaints.  He actually made the usual banal conversation on that show interesting for the couple of weeks he was on there.

[PromoTheRobot]

10 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

I love Bomani, but Josh has to do more to gain national acclaim.  He's playing great, but Seattle's defense is historically bad.  

 

So he should have put 100 on them to earn respect?

Since you don't pick your opponent maybe Josh could have played left handed.

[TigerJ]

Josh Allen came into the league as an amazingly polarizing prospect.  A few prognosticators, like Chris Simms saw incredible upside to him.  Most saw a strong armed raw prospect with accuracy issues.  The problem with most prognosticators is that they are married to their first impressions of prospects, and will continue to look for reasons to hold on to it rather than revise their assessment based on the full body of evidence.  That's how you get people praising Tua Tagovailoa as the real deal after on good performance versus the Cardinals and their suspect defense.  Josh Allen could have a duplicate to his Seattle game versus that same Cardinal defense, and there will be those who discount it because it is the Cardinals. 

[Nextmanup]

On 9/15/2020 at 1:01 AM, purple haze said:

Allen is sloppy with the rock.  People remember things like that.  They remember dumb laterals in playoff games.  That said, he’s still pretty good and getting better.  If he plays well and lessens turnovers the Bills will go far.  But he has to stop giving the ball away.  They should’ve had 40 something points yesterday.  Foxworth is right.  Better teams will take advantage of those mistakes.

And he is inconsistent.  In some games he shines and is the player of the week.  In other games he plays like the 25th or so best QB in the league.  And these guys from around the country probably don't see much of him.  When they do, they might catch him on a bad day and that then forms their impression of him as a whole.

 

I am thinking of a few games ago when we were on FOX and Terry Bradshaw said "You are either accurate or not accurate, and Josh Allen is not accurate" or words to that effect.  He was very dismissive of Allen.  

 

Josh's performance that day kind of supported his comments, but it's certainly not the whole picture of who Allen is as a player.

 

If everyone saw all of every one of Josh's games as we do, they would probably have a more complete, nuanced picture of what Josh can do.

 

 

[teef]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

And he is inconsistent.  In some games he shines and is the player of the week.  In other games he plays like the 25th or so best QB in the league.  And these guys from around the country probably don't see much of him.  When they do, they might catch him on a bad day and that then forms their impression of him as a whole.

 

I am thinking of a few games ago when we were on FOX and Terry Bradshaw said "You are either accurate or not accurate, and Josh Allen is not accurate" or words to that effect.  He was very dismissive of Allen.  

 

Josh's performance that day kind of supported his comments, but it's certainly not the whole picture of who Allen is as a player.

 

If everyone saw all of every one of Josh's games as we do, they would probably have a more complete, nuanced picture of what Josh can do.

 

 

ok.  you spent the entire off season letting us know that josh would never, ever get any better, and that we were just to emotionally invested to see it, and we'd all be let down.

 

time to let that narrative go now.  i know it's going to be hard after preaching so much nonsense, but give it a try.  you were wrong.  very wrong.  maybe next time you have an opinion, you'll realize it's just that, and back off.

[Stank_Nasty]

59 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

And he is inconsistent.  In some games he shines and is the player of the week.  In other games he plays like the 25th or so best QB in the league.  And these guys from around the country probably don't see much of him.  When they do, they might catch him on a bad day and that then forms their impression of him as a whole.

 

I am thinking of a few games ago when we were on FOX and Terry Bradshaw said "You are either accurate or not accurate, and Josh Allen is not accurate" or words to that effect.  He was very dismissive of Allen.  

 

Josh's performance that day kind of supported his comments, but it's certainly not the whole picture of who Allen is as a player.

 

If everyone saw all of every one of Josh's games as we do, they would probably have a more complete, nuanced picture of what Josh can do.

 

 

This explanation is unacceptable for anyone in front of a camera getting paid to talk about football. When you get paid for something you need to know what you're talking about and be good at what you do. otherwise you shouldnt be in that line of work.... but nice try.

Edited November 11, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[RoyBatty is alive]

16 hours ago, Augie said:

 

On a related note, did you see they are cutting several hundred additional jobs? I rarely watch ESPN myself. For some reason watching people yell at each other does not entertain me. 

 

Bomani does seem to have an agenda that makes me uncomfortable at times. I’m surprised ESPN allows it, to be honest. 

 

I think that ESPN has jumped the shark years ago.  It actually used to be about sports.  I half stopped watching the "year of Kapernick" when half of the shows had people yelling at each other why Kapernick isnt playing and then the shows  morphed into a contest for people to demonstrate the most outrage that Kapernick isnt playing anymore.  Then i fully stopped watching after a month long 90% of ESPN dedicated to Kobe Bryant worship after his tragic death.  

[Augie]

41 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

I think that ESPN has jumped the shark years ago.  It actually used to be about sports.  I half stopped watching the "year of Kapernick" when half of the shows had people yelling at each other why Kapernick isnt playing and then the shows  morphed into a contest for people to demonstrate the most outrage that Kapernick isnt playing anymore.  Then i fully stopped watching after a month long 90% of ESPN dedicated to Kobe Bryant worship after his tragic death.  

 

They had one show I enjoyed, then they got rid of Mike & Mike. Bye-bye! The other shows are mostly guys yelling at each other all at once......not my idea of entertainment. 

[NewEra]

Fwiw, Foxworth gave Diggs his “non QB” MVP for 2020

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Fwiw, Foxworth gave Diggs his “non QB” MVP for 2020

 

Interesting.  You'd think that with the way they're talking about Josh, Stefon is throwing the ball to himself.

[machine gun kelly]

Hap said it best.  Who gives a crap what these tools say about our guy?  My response Josh.  Keep winning.  MaKe them look like absolute morons once we are 8-2, then after the bye, 9-2.  See what they say then.  They’ll keep making excuses and give props to everyone but Josh so they can save face, and they will look even worse than now as the rest of the world will be non stop how great Allen is as a 3rd year QB.  Let’s go one farther.  We finish 12-4 and he is a final for AFC player of the year.  Then let them choke on their tape of every stupi not measured response they’ve had forever.

[BigDingus]

I mean, I don't take offense to it... The laughing & carrying on was annoying, but honestly, what do you expect when at that point he had 2 years of game footage of him doing things like this, and completely fell apart in the playoffs the last time they saw him.

You earn respect by playing well & proving people wrong, me included. He didn't do much to quiet doubters the last month, but hey...400+ yards & a win, now we're back on track. He was getting a lot of love early on, so it's not like people unanimously hate him or want to hate him. And as we all know, the more you win, the more love you get.

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Interesting.  You'd think that with the way they're talking about Josh, Stefon is throwing the ball to himself.

He basically gave Diggs a lot of the credit for JAs improvement 

[Chicken Boo]

On 11/11/2020 at 7:52 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So he should have put 100 on them to earn respect?

Since you don't pick your opponent maybe Josh could have played left handed.

 

What are expecting, exactly?  A gold jacket?  How about a playoff win or 2?

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

What are expecting, exactly?  A gold jacket?  How about a playoff win or 2?

 

Like Lamar Jackson?

[Scott7975]

20 hours ago, NewEra said:

He basically gave Diggs a lot of the credit for JAs improvement 

I'd love to see any QB in the league play with KB and Zay Jones as their top two. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

27 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I'd love to see any QB in the league play with KB and Zay Jones as their top two. 

No one should have to watch that.

[Teddy KGB]

On 11/10/2020 at 2:49 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Can you explain who Bomani Jones and Dominque Foxworth are and why I should give a crap what they think?

 

Otherwise: behold the field in which I grow my ***** and lo! how it is barren

Foxworth was a NFL corner who now talks football for ESPN. 

 

Jones is music/sports writer.      Super douchy and holier than thou on everything.  

[WideNine]

On 11/11/2020 at 11:40 AM, BigDingus said:

I mean, I don't take offense to it... The laughing & carrying on was annoying, but honestly, what do you expect when at that point he had 2 years of game footage of him doing things like this, and completely fell apart in the playoffs the last time they saw him.

You earn respect by playing well & proving people wrong, me included. He didn't do much to quiet doubters the last month, but hey...400+ yards & a win, now we're back on track. He was getting a lot of love early on, so it's not like people unanimously hate him or want to hate him. And as we all know, the more you win, the more love you get.

 

Two points for the bolded above.

 

1. Do they not have access to any games outside of that playoff game last year?

 

2. Folks that do not understand the game only look at passing stats over the past month and say things like "poor QB performance". What I see is a QB who took what the defense was giving and played within the offensive game plan for that contest. When teams are loading up the field with DBs and two-deep zones, it dictates short passes and running the ball. This may not look great stat-wise, but throwing into double-coverage looks worse as the turnovers pile up.

 

For example, the game plan against NE was to hand the ball off for most of the game. The passing stats did not light up the sheet, but this is not indicative of a poor QB performance. It frustrates me when folks confuse passing stats and fantasy football point totals to actual QB performance towards the goal of winning a game. 

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by WideNine

[HardyBoy]

57 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Foxworth was a NFL corner who now talks football for ESPN. 

 

Jones is music/sports writer.      Super douchy and holier than thou on everything.  

 

Bomani Jones is one of the smartest, most educated and knowledgeable people around, not just in sports, but in general. He's flat wrong here, and frankly I'm not sure what his issue is, but it might be the text messages fwiw.

 

That said, his takes generally are extremely well thought out and supported by a crap ton of historical reference and knowledge. Dude can name every #1 pick and hiesman winner going back to like 1965 off the top of his head...it's insane.

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Bomani Jones is one of the smartest, most educated and knowledgeable people around, not just in sports, but in general. He's flat wrong here, and frankly I'm not sure what his issue is, but it might be the text messages fwiw.

 

That said, his takes generally are extremely well thought out and supported by a crap ton of historical reference and knowledge. Dude can name every #1 pick and hiesman winner going back to like 1965 off the top of his head...it's insane.

 

 

Love Lebatard, Papi, Stugotz, Mike Ryan 

 

not a big fan of Bomani, Pablo, or Foxworth.  

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Bomani Jones is one of the smartest, most educated and knowledgeable people around, not just in sports, but in general. He's flat wrong here, and frankly I'm not sure what his issue is, but it might be the text messages fwiw.

 

That said, his takes generally are extremely well thought out and supported by a crap ton of historical reference and knowledge. Dude can name every #1 pick and hiesman winner going back to like 1965 off the top of his head...it's insane.

 

 

Well he’s a jerk. During a podcast earlier in the year he said white folks are just hyping Allen because they don’t like the color of Qb’s frequenting the top of most lists and they want a white qb up there. That’s absolute racist garbage. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Love Lebatard, Papi, Stugotz, Mike Ryan 

 

not a big fan of Bomani, Pablo, or Foxworth.  

FWIW(not much), Foxworth is much more reasonable in his appearances on “Get up”. A show that has less room for hot takes encourages at least a bit of analysis and more actual knowledge. 
 

Ryan Clark named his top 5 teams yesterday and had the Bills at #4 and Foxworth said he had no issues with the list. 
 

Bomani? He’s a POS IMHO. 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

Foxworth was a NFL corner who now talks football for ESPN. 

 

Jones is music/sports writer.      Super douchy and holier than thou on everything.  

This is first I’ve heard of these two.  They are both morons.  I’ll continue to not watch or listen to either.  

[RaoulDuke79]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Like Lamar Jackson?

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I'd love to see any QB in the league play with KB and Zay Jones as their top two. 

Dude, I was just getting over that, and you, had to remind me... 😂

[HardyBoy]

10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Love Lebatard, Papi, Stugotz, Mike Ryan 

 

not a big fan of Bomani, Pablo, or Foxworth.  

 

Gotcha, I can see that. I was lucky enough to live in south florida when Bomani did a weekly full show with them, and they could do 20-30 minute segments and get deep into the nuance of race conversations, but all sorts of stuff serious and silly, including some of the best actual sports radio you'd hear anywhere. I think the issue people have with espn talking race is less the topic and more that they have to fit it into 4-6 minute segments.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bomani and Stan Van Gundy definitely have a very specific perspective on race, but it genuinely isn't political and that comes across when they can talk about it for 20 minutes and really explain their positions and explain their biases...the 4 minutes of actual content and having to fit in 4 people's point of views really does a terrible job of letting people do that and that carries over across all not just espn, but all network and cable tv.

[HardyBoy]

15 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Well he’s a jerk. During a podcast earlier in the year he said white folks are just hyping Allen because they don’t like the color of Qb’s frequenting the top of most lists and they want a white qb up there. That’s absolute racist garbage. 
 

 

FWIW(not much), Foxworth is much more reasonable in his appearances on “Get up”. A show that has less room for hot takes encourages at least a bit of analysis and more actual knowledge. 
 

Ryan Clark named his top 5 teams yesterday and had the Bills at #4 and Foxworth said he had no issues with the list. 
 

Bomani? He’s a POS IMHO. 

 

Yeah, I heard that too and agree it was bs. Here's my guess...JA is a white guy who had amazing physical talent, and he's another in a line of white qbs that were given opportunity after opportunity to prove it, where a black qb would have already been forced to switch to WR or something. I think using JA as an example for that is wrong, he grinded and worked as hard as anyone to get there, but Bomani might be making the point that for many many equally skilled and sized black qbs there wouldn't have been even that random juco offer. He probably has a point there honestly if that is in fact what he is saying. 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Yeah, I heard that too and agree it was bs. Here's my guess...JA is a white guy who had amazing physical talent, and he's another in a line of white qbs that were given opportunity after opportunity to prove it, where a black qb would have already been forced to switch to WR or something. I think using JA as an example for that is wrong, he grinded and worked as hard as anyone to get there, but Bomani might be making the point that for many many equally skilled and sized black qbs there wouldn't have been even that random juco offer. He probably has a point there honestly if that is in fact what he is saying. 

He didn’t say that. He said white fans are hyping a white qb because they don’t like black ones at the top. He passively accused any white fan that hypes Allen of being a racist because we don’t want a bunch of black qb’s at the top of the list. It’s literally not what you said there at all.... I have no issues with what you just said. And he’s voiced that as well. No issue there. 

[HardyBoy]

9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

He didn’t say that. He said white fans are hyping a white qb because they don’t like black ones at the top. He passively accused any white fan that hypes Allen of being a racist because we don’t want a bunch of black qb’s at the top of the list. It’s literally not what you said there at all.... I have no issues with what you just said. And he’s voiced that as well. No issue there. 

 

I know, I'm trying to see if maybe there is subtext I missed. I heard the same podcast and felt it was for sure misguided when he said it and caused me do double take as well. 

Edited November 13, 2020 by HardyBoy

[TheBrownBear]

For as smart as Bomani is, it is telling that he quit his Ph.D. in Econ and chose to be a pop culture writer and critic.  He's bright compared to most of these sports pundit morons, but he's not above a thoughtless "hot take", especially when it comes to race.  

[Stank_Nasty]

16 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

I know, I'm trying to see if maybe there is subtext I missed. I heard the same podcast and felt it was for sure misguided when he said it and caused me do double take as well. 

I’m fairly certain he was guiding it right where we wanted.... any nobody batted an eye. 

[QLBillsFan]

B Jones may be educated, but he’s not smart. He’s got the I don’t like JA who at 15 made some foolish texts. As if that should be held against him the rest of his life. Very pro any black QB and anti JA. Apparently referenced JA throwing like W Moon and claims Bills fans didn’t like it. Acting like Bills fans weren’t educated about how great W Moon was. WMoon was great! And he actually along with James Harris(Bills/Rams) Doug Williams paved the way for the many great black qb’s we are now seeing. Saying JA is good doesn’t diminish the current plethora of really good black QB’s. B Jones has a plan for his narrative and he’s sticking to it. 

[Chicken Boo]

On 11/12/2020 at 4:11 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Like Lamar Jackson?

 

I'm not following.

 

Sorry for the late reply.  Been busy.