Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 hours ago, May Day 10 said: No leg any more. Great kicker while he was here though. Thank god I never have to hear Murphy say "Hausch money" again Maybe instead it will be Bass Pro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 This probably had a lot more to do with the salary cap going down next year. They said ok Bass has shown he is likely good enough and is a quarter the cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, sullim4 said: It could really go either way. Kickers can boom PATs and 65 yard field goals in practice, and then get the yips in a game time situation. Hauschka had is fair share of mental issues down the stretch so it's no given that he's any better, especially when you consider leg strength. Bass will get his chance and we'll see how it goes. It could end horribly and he could end up getting cut in week 4, or he could be a breakout. With kickers, you never know. Maybe not having fans will ease some rookie jitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Maybe instead it will be Bass Pro! I was thinking that if he becomes All Pro Bass Pro would pay him to endorse. 169 Retail Stores in US and Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He missed two kicks inside 50 last year. I will donate $50 charity bet with the first to take me up that if Bass is the kicker in 2020 he misses more than that. You probably would win that bet. House went 1 of 5 over 50 and maybe OBD would bet that Bass will beat that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 More shocked at Edwards being released he seemed like a solid punter, I guess Bojo out performed him by a big margin. I think Haush will get one more chance to catch on with another team. He was really shaky the past two seasons but his accuracy under 50 improved in 2019 and there a lot teams who have kickers who can't kick under 50 that likely will be cutting kickers in season. So hopefully for him he gets another run. Dude was so money in 2017 but then in 2018 he got a little shaky in the 40-49 range but then in 2019 he got better in the 40-49 range but completely ***** the bed from 50+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 hours ago, eball said: I always felt this was Bass' job to lose after the Bills used a 6th round pick on him. He proved he could handle a legitimate competition and this move makes sense to me. Agree, that and cap savings sealed it. I was fearing another Gary Anderson situation where we let a hall-of-famer get away. Let's hope the kid comes through when it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 It's all about the Bass ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Never should have let Hopkins get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Never should have let Hopkins get away. Injury release if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Injury release if I remember correctly. No, he got injured his rookie season but competed with Dan Carpenter the following season and lost. But he's a cautionary tale of not giving up on a younger kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Doc said: No, he got injured his rookie season but competed with Dan Carpenter the following season and lost. But he's a cautionary tale of not giving up on a younger kicker. Well because of injury they signed Carpenter who was probably a top 3 kicker those years. So IMO the Bills had no choice but to release Hopkins for the roster spot. If he doesn't get hurt his rookie year he's probably our kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Better to release a guy a little too soon versus a little too late. I will always appreciate Haus. Best of luck to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Better to release a guy a little too soon versus a little too late. I will always appreciate Haus. Best of luck to him. This has always been the Belichick doctrine, hasn't it? Minus the appreciation and "best of luck" sentiments, of course. Cut bait and re-cast. Sentiment and past performance be damned. I'm into it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 8 hours ago, BillsFanSD said: I feel bad for Hauschka because he was never really the same after getting cheap-shotted, but it was time to move on. Dirty* I am still angry the league basically sanctioned the dirty hit. Also, penalizing the Bills for the dirty hit was just something else. 8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Aren’t kickers sort of uniquely exempt from that ? Gotta be the most interchangeable position in game. You think? Every year there are usually 3 or 4 teams who are in dire need of a semi-reliable kicker, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Comebackkid said: Surprised they let Edward's go already. Can we sign punter M. King has a top 5 punter and he's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmanfreek Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: This has always been the Belichick doctrine, hasn't it? Minus the appreciation and "best of luck" sentiments, of course. Cut bait and re-cast. Sentiment and past performance be damned. I'm into it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: You probably would win that bet. House went 1 of 5 over 50 and maybe OBD would bet that Bass will beat that. I am sure they would. And they would be right. But if it comes to it go for a few extra 4th downs in the 50+ range. When your kicker misses must haves from inside 50 they lose you games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said: Can we sign punter M. King has a top 5 punter and he's available. We can and something had to happen behind the scenes that seems to have him blacklisted from the league. I know the flamboyant celebrations don't thrill head coaches but it's worth putting up with if he gives you solid production. At least bring him in for a workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 hmmm ... well they are decisive, I'll give em that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I don’t know enough about King to know why he is blacklisted. He was a stud punter for quite some time. McD doesn’t want problem kids, and if he is that person, then makes sense. As far as House, I thought they would place him on the PS, but the cap savings is primarily the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Limeaid said: It has absolutely nothing to do with cheap shot on him, right? Wish the NFL was better at protecting players from these type of players. not every kicker has that happen then falls off the cliff. for SH, that cheap shot, (following a blocked kick btw) it seemed to impact the rest of the 2018 season. Although recall that he missed an XP and a field goal attempt the prior week, vs Miami. Why it carried into 2019 too I don’t know. it could be that event also roughly coincided with that late career inflection point all kickers seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: not every kicker has that happen then falls off the cliff. for SH, that cheap shot, (following a blocked kick btw) it seemed to impact the rest of the 2018 season. Although recall that he missed an XP and a field goal attempt the prior week, vs Miami. Why it carried into 2019 too I don’t know. it could be that event also roughly coincided with that late career inflection point all kickers seem to have. I don't think it did carry into 2019. I think in 2019 it was just his leg went. He was still one of the better kickers in the league under 50. But he just didn't have the leg for the longer kicks. I am not against the Bills trying to upgrade. Bass's slight wildness on some of the shorter kicks in college concerned me a little and there have been some of those misses in camp. Just gotta hope he doesn't have those moments when the Bills need him.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Thank you Hausch $$$$. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Classy move to release the vet NOW, rather than later. Gives him a chance to catch on elsewhere... More likely its simply a case of a pre season with very limited reps so they had to make a decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Merle said: It's all about the Bass ...... All about that bass. (Blondie is sa-mokin’!) PA system should pump this after successful FG’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Comebackkid said: recently signed P Lac Edwards ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: hmmm ... well they are decisive, I'll give em that Over and over, and I'm surprised by it every time. These guys have no fear. Hauschka's at least a solid NFL kicker; not the star we'd hoped, but more than serviceable. But McBeane want more. Sometimes a rookie comes in at some position and simply blows everyone away, makes a clear case that if he isn't already better than the vet, he will be soon. Those decisions are relatively easy. But at least based on what was being reported out of camp, Bass wasn't clearly better than Hausch. What Bass did have was better upside. We knew what the best was we'd see from Hauschka, and it is clear that Bass could be better. The risk, of course, is that Bass turns out to be inconsistent or can't take the pressure. There's no way to know that until they see him in games for a season. In other words, Hausch wasn't likely to make the big kick and win a game; Bass is. On the other hand, Hausch wasn't likely to miss the routine kick and lose a game; Bass could be. It takes courage to make that call and go with the unproven guy with bigger upside. McBeane have shown over and over that they aren't afraid of those moments. They make the bold decision and live with the consequences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I don't like it. We have no clue how Bass will perform when the pressure is on or in inclement weather. This could be a case of the organization overthinking it. He actually kicked in a swirling wind yesterday fwiw. Reportedly boomed a kickoff out of the end zone into the wind Edited August 28, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Mountain Man said: More likely its simply a case of a pre season with very limited reps so they had to make a decision Agree, they needed him to get as many reps as possible. Hanging onto Hauschka longer would have meant continuing to split reps. Their respective performances in the scrimmage yesterday likely helped too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I think he’s more concerned about him making FGs.... Hauschka lost because he doesn’t have the leg anymore and isnt consistent enough anymore on FGs in general to warrant keeping him despite the decline. I wouldn’t be confident going into the season with Hauschka at all. Hauschka only had two opportunities all day, both extra points, and he pushed one of them to the right. He was the only kicker to miss from under 40 yards in training camp. Bass, meanwhile, connected on all four of his opportunities under 50 yards. He did push a 55-yard attempt wide, but it had enough distance to go through the uprights. He ended the day 4 of 5. Bass also got a lot of kickoff work, and even when kicking into the wind, easily forced a touchback every time. To date, here are the full training camp stats: Bills Kicking Competition (Through 8/27) KICKER TOTAL FG % 30-39 YARDS 40-49 YARDS 50+ YARDS Tyler Bass 29-36 80.6% 10-10 14-17 5-9 Stephen Hauschka 18-23 78.3% 7-8 7-7 4-8 Bass passed Hauschka on total field goal percentage and receiver far more field goal opportunities with the media present. While there are risks to going with a rookie kicker in a season of high expectations, Bass earned it to this point. It would be ideal if the Bills could see him in a game, but they can’t. They also knew if they released him, he’d get claimed on waivers immediately. Bass showed he was consistent enough and won the job, plain and simple. Edited August 28, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He actually kicked in a swirling wind yesterday fwiw. Reportedly boomed a kickoff out of the end zone into the wind speaking of booming things in swirling winds, his Wikipedia page says he is dating Ol’ bootin Tutan’s kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He missed two kicks inside 50 last year. I will donate $50 charity bet with the first to take me up that if Bass is the kicker in 2020 he misses more than that. He missed 4 kicks under 50 yards when you count the extra points he missed. And kicking FGs over 50 yards is a necessary part of being a kicker in 2020, you can't just ignore that. Haushcka missed 8 kicks last year in total. 2 XPs, 2 FGs under 50, 4 FGs over 50. So if Bass comes in and misses 3 FGs under 50 no XP and makes more than the 1 50+ FG Haushcka made you want to consider that a win for yourself even though its a better actual performance. And not for nothing, if Bass is terrible you can always sign a different kicker....like Stephen Haushcka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: He missed 4 kicks under 50 yards when you count the extra points he missed. And kicking FGs over 50 yards is a necessary part of being a kicker in 2020, you can't just ignore that. Haushcka missed 8 kicks last year in total. 2 XPs, 2 FGs under 50, 4 FGs over 50. So if Bass comes in and misses 3 FGs under 50 no XP and makes more than the 1 50+ FG Haushcka made you want to consider that a win for yourself even though its a better actual performance. And not for nothing, if Bass is terrible you can always sign a different kicker....like Stephen Haushcka. I can’t imagine they would have used a draft pick on a kicker, and held a real TC kicking competition, if they were too afraid to move on from Hauschka if Bass won it. It was always Bass’s job to lose as soon as they drafted him imo. Edited August 28, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 18 hours ago, Billl said: Yeah, all he did is go 4-4 in the playoff game including hitting a 47 yarder at the buzzer. 47 yard FGs under pressure are notoriously difficult. Too soon! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Great year to put in a promising rookie. Games will have a feel more like scrimmages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Well because of injury they signed Carpenter who was probably a top 3 kicker those years. So IMO the Bills had no choice but to release Hopkins for the roster spot. If he doesn't get hurt his rookie year he's probably our kicker. It's possible he was still hurting the following year. I couldn't tell you for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Great year to put in a promising rookie. Games will have a feel more like scrimmages. I've thought about this too. I think you might be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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