Bills sign G Brian Winters - update, there was a WNY connection

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane is just waiting to trade one of these guys to some desperate team for a 5th next month 

Nail on the head there, Beane has a plan B & C for everyone on the roster it appears. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Some people hoard TP and hand sanitizer in a pandemic. Beane hoards O linemen. 

Last few seasons, tight ends.  Now, offensive linemen.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Just Joshin' said:

Hopefully he will flip a few that will be cut into draft picks.

May be harder this year with no preseason games to showcase them. With the Patriots OL trouble I'd of thought they'd of been on this guy.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Nail on the head there, Beane has a plan B & C for everyone on the roster it appears. 

Secret plot to get back Peterman.  ?

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

Yea. Thanks for correction for autocorrect.  I believe he was active last year.

Iirc Bates played in A handful of games, he recovered a fumble in one of them, he seemed to carry his weight as it were.

1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Secret plot to get back Peterman.  ?

Yup another Montana just waiting for his moment... ?

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Yea. Thanks for correction for autocorrect.  I believe he was active last year.

 

He was active 8 times but his only real action came week 17 against the Jets at RT (and he was bad). Now I think a lot of people think he has more chance as an inside guy, and I agree, but it is all projection. Keeping him as your backup center when he has never done it in an NFL game over two guys who have in Boehm and Long is a major risk. If we had pre-season games and he beat them out on the field facing semi live bullets then that is one thing. Gambling on him over two proven solid backup vets based on camp reps is another. 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Jets front office

 

 

 

I just......

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

Second he was cut I messaged my friend there’s our feliciano replacement

[TigerJ]

I'm a bit surprised.  No terms revealed, I presume.  Beane is collecting trade bait I presume, not that Winters will be the one traded, but between Ike Boettger, Evan Boehm, Spencer Long, Quinton Spain, Darryl Williams, and Winters, it'll be hard to imagine Beane not trying to trade somebody, and I didn't even mention some of the younger guys who could play on the interior of the line.

Edited August 4, 2020 by TigerJ

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Beane is just waiting to trade one of these guys to some desperate team for a 5th next month 

 

I think that might be harder without pre-season too. Because teams will talk themselves into standing pat with guys that look good in shorts rather than realising in pre-season "this guy is gonna get my QB hurt". But if there is a team who feels uncomfortable with their depth then the Bills are definitely a team they will call. 

[NewEra]

41 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

No, but I do think it odd that Beane would double down and effectively box himself into a decision that didn't exactly prove to be the right one last season. Overall, I'd say Ford was a net negative last year at Tackle, and it's been a very common suggestion that he'd be a better guard. 

I agree completely, but I get why they want to keep him at RT and have no problem with it for one reason.  His potential replacements at RT are underwhelming.

 

Nsekhe was better than Ford last year, but he couldn’t stay healthy playing part time. He basically has zero% chance of playing 16 games and the playoffs.  He’s best served as a very good backup.  

 

D williams is a more intriguing candidate.  Pro bowl a couple years ago, but sometimes big men can’t recover from injuries the way the smaller guys can.  Seems to be a shell of himself.  Maybe another year removed from the surgery will be beneficial for him and he can regain some of his old form.  I wouldn’t bet on it.  
 

Trey Adams.  Long, long shot.  Hard to make a case for him beating out our 2nd rd pick of a year ago but I’ve seen crazier things.  If he really impresses them, I could see them potentially moving ford.  Although I really see adams as a possible replacement for Dawkins.  It’s not like dawkins is great.  On his best day, I think he’s pretty good.  Never elite.  About to be paid a large sum of money.  If Adams can surprise and be a steal we can save a lot of money.  Unlikely as it may be, that’s how I view adams.  Not a replacement for Ford.

[WickedGame]

44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Boehm or Long. 

I want to see Long step in for Morse on one play, just so we can get a “Long Winters” photo. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I agree completely, but I get why they want to keep him at RT and have no problem with it for one reason.  His potential replacements at RT are underwhelming.

 

Nsekhe was better than Ford last year, but he couldn’t stay healthy playing part time. He basically has zero% chance of playing 16 games and the playoffs.  He’s best served as a very good backup.  

 

D williams is a more intriguing candidate.  Pro bowl a couple years ago, but sometimes big men can’t recover from injuries the way the smaller guys can.  Seems to be a shell of himself.  Maybe another year removed from the surgery will be beneficial for him and he can regain some of his old form.  I wouldn’t bet on it.  
 

Trey Adams.  Long, long shot.  Hard to make a case for him beating out our 2nd rd pick of a year ago but I’ve seen crazier things.  If he really impresses them, I could see them potentially moving ford.  Although I really see adams as a possible replacement for Dawkins.  It’s not like dawkins is great.  On his best day, I think he’s pretty good.  Never elite.  About to be paid a large sum of money.  If Adams can surprise and be a steal we can save a lot of money.  Unlikely as it may be, that’s how I view adams.  Not a replacement for Ford.

When they signed Williams that looked like a strong signal that Ford would be slipping inside, given he's a proven commodity, but I hear you. Unless Ford is a dumpster fire, which I definitely don't want, I expect him to start.

[CEN-CAL17]

32 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Does that mean Nsekhe will lose out?

No Nsekhe will back up both Tackles, Daryl Williams will back up both Guards.... but I ask, Who’s the backup center? Bates?

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree completely, but I get why they want to keep him at RT and have no problem with it for one reason.  His potential replacements at RT are underwhelming.

 

Nsekhe was better than Ford last year, but he couldn’t stay healthy playing part time. He basically has zero% chance of playing 16 games and the playoffs.  He’s best served as a very good backup.  

 

D williams is a more intriguing candidate.  Pro bowl a couple years ago, but sometimes big men can’t recover from injuries the way the smaller guys can.  Seems to be a shell of himself.  Maybe another year removed from the surgery will be beneficial for him and he can regain some of his old form.  I wouldn’t bet on it.  
 

Trey Adams.  Long, long shot.  Hard to make a case for him beating out our 2nd rd pick of a year ago but I’ve seen crazier things.  If he really impresses them, I could see them potentially moving ford.  Although I really see adams as a possible replacement for Dawkins.  It’s not like dawkins is great.  On his best day, I think he’s pretty good.  Never elite.  About to be paid a large sum of money.  If Adams can surprise and be a steal we can save a lot of money.  Unlikely as it may be, that’s how I view adams.  Not a replacement for Ford.

Tre Adams is that guy I want to get onto the practice squad....cultivate him for a year and then get him in there......I think he has talent.

 

Bottom line......Beane knows what he is actually doing

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

No Nsekhe will back up both Tackles, Daryl Williams will back up both Guards.... but I ask, Who’s the backup center? Bates?

Bates was projected as a C coming out of college. He’s also signed for a few years on a cheap deal. But  Long has starting experience there (even though he played hurt). I think Boehm is more of a guard?

Edited August 3, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[jkeerie]

48 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So.....The Bills are the Raiders of the 70's?

Their D was nasty!  I'd love it if the Bills D could be that fierce...although so many of those hits in the 70s would warrant flags today.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Bates was projected as a C coming out of college. He’s also signed for a few years on a cheap deal. But  Long has starting experience there (even though he played hurt). I think Boehm is more of a guard?

 

Boehm has been a swing inside guy. He definitely played both in Arizona. 

[BarleyNY]

Nothing wrong with adding a player like Winters at this time.  He replaces the depth we lost with Feliciano’s injury.  Happy to see the signing. For those complaining about the quality of his play, there aren’t a lot of high end offensive linemen out there right now.  Beane did what he could.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

Jets front office

 

Today’s internet winner!

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Today’s internet winner!

I am just thank ful that the bills are no loner in this catagory

[Inigo Montoya]

Roster depth will be more important than ever this season for teams that are looking to make a playoff run. This is another solid move by the Bills to add O-Line depth. Cutting Winters was a good move by Douglas to free up cap space for next year. I think Douglas and reasonable Jets fans know that the Jets are a long shot to make the playoffs this season. Douglas is marshalling cap space and draft picks to build a real foundation for the future. Bring in a new head coach next year and have the resources to put together a winning program.

Ultimately this was a good move for both teams.

[CorkScrewHill]

In a related note pff revisited his performance over the past 3 Years and downgraded him 30 pts from a 64 to a 34  .. they did mention that if he had joined the Chiefs his revised score would have been an 83

[Malazan]

Winters is a journeyman. He's.. a little below average most of the time and bad occasionally. He's never been a world beater, but the Jets blocking scheme changed and did not play to his strengths last season. He'll be more comfortable in Buffalo's scheme, but is only a stopgap for the year. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Logic]

“Who needs compensatory picks when you can just sign every o-lineman on the market and flip them for draft picks?”

 

- Brandon Beane, probably.

[beerme1]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Beane did what he could.

 

 

And he did it well.

[Dkollidas]

Just smart. I’m assuming the money will be low. Any free agent right now knows their deal will be limited. All teams are going to attempt to keep as much cap space to roll into 2021 as possible. Long could be a cut candidate. Same for Hauschka & of course Murphy if they see Epenesa as an upgrade early on. 

[GreggTX]

Depth? Not good? Brian Winters is now the best OG on our roster. He's way better than Feliciano and still better than Spain, but why did they release him? He had a pretty decent year in 2019. An old injury acting up?

Edited August 4, 2020 by GreggTX

[First Round Bust]

usual shrewed move by MCBean - injury history a risk but a quality vet with the right stuff...a better pass-blocker then road-run-grade...likely wants to stick it up the Jets tailpipe as well...welcome and glad to have ya...

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Although I really see adams as a possible replacement for Dawkins.  It’s not like dawkins is great.  On his best day, I think he’s pretty good.  Never elite.  About to be paid a large sum of money.  If Adams can surprise and be a steal we can save a lot of money.  Unlikely as it may be, that’s how I view adams.  Not a replacement for Ford.

 

The strike against your theory on potentially replacing Dawkins is that Dion drinks and then sweats out process kool-aid. His personality and strength as a teammate means something to this regime. They value locker room leaders, which I think Dawkins has become.

 

That being said, those negotiations will be intriguing. I see a mutually beneficial deal being reached. But I've been wrong. A lot.

[folz]

3 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

The 1984 Buffalo Bills were the worst team in Bills history.

 

I could name almost the entire roster without batting an eye.

 

Does that make me a bad person? ?

 

I was at the Cleveland game last year and one of the Browns' fans got mad at me. All I was doing was calling out guys' names who made plays. "Nice Tre," "C'mon Josh," "Yes Tremaine," etc. That kind of stuff. The guy next to me went off on me when it looked like the Bills might win the game..."I'm so sick of hearing you call out players' names!" and then he did a very agitated and bad impersonation of me. No doubt, I do see how it could be a bit annoying to hear a visiting fan constantly doing that right next to you. So, I sympathized and didn't get upset. But then his buddy, two seats over, leaned in and calmly asked me, "How the hell do you know all of their names anyhow?"

 

I always figured that most fans (who are more than just the casual observers) knew the majority of the players on their team, but apparently not. I guess it's just another sign of Bills fans being truly die-hard. I bet if they shot that Jets video in Buffalo at any time during the drought, the vast majority of Bills fans could have named way more than 5 players. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

“Who needs compensatory picks when you can just sign every o-lineman on the market and flip them for draft picks?”

 

- Brandon Beane, probably.

he won’t count against us and will likely end up counting for us in the calculation 

[qwksilver]

21 minutes ago, folz said:

 

I was at the Cleveland game last year and one of the Browns' fans got mad at me. All I was doing was calling out guys' names who made plays. "Nice Tre," "C'mon Josh," "Yes Tremaine," etc. That kind of stuff. The guy next to me went off on me when it looked like the Bills might win the game..."I'm so sick of hearing you call out players' names!" and then he did a very agitated and bad impersonation of me. No doubt, I do see how it could be a bit annoying to hear a visiting fan constantly doing that right next to you. So, I sympathized and didn't get upset. But then his buddy, two seats over, leaned in and calmly asked me, "How the hell do you know all of their names anyhow?"

 

I always figured that most fans (who are more than just the casual observers) knew the majority of the players on their team, but apparently not. I guess it's just another sign of Bills fans being truly die-hard. I bet if they shot that Jets video in Buffalo at any time during the drought, the vast majority of Bills fans could have named way more than 5 players. 

We could probably name 5 Jets starters to go with it.!

[Bangarang]

Solid depth signing. Not expecting a high end starter. Could be decent trade bait down the road.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

The strike against your theory on potentially replacing Dawkins is that Dion drinks and then sweats out process kool-aid. His personality and strength as a teammate means something to this regime. They value locker room leaders, which I think Dawkins has become.

 

That being said, those negotiations will be intriguing. I see a mutually beneficial deal being reached. But I've been wrong. A lot.

It’s not that I think Adams is going to be Dawkins replacement.  I just think that his future on this team has more to do with Dawkins than it does Ford.  If Dawkins isn’t signed long term and only plays ok while adams impresses, it could sway them if Dawkins wants over 15 mill a year.  
 

I have come around to Dawkins strictly because of who he is as a leader on this team.....but I have still have my questions regarding whether or not he’s going to get the job done when Josh needs him most.  

[BillsMafia13]

4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Roster depth will be more important than ever this season for teams that are looking to make a playoff run. This is another solid move by the Bills to add O-Line depth. Cutting Winters was a good move by Douglas to free up cap space for next year. I think Douglas and reasonable Jets fans know that the Jets are a long shot to make the playoffs this season. Douglas is marshalling cap space and draft picks to build a real foundation for the future. Bring in a new head coach next year and have the resources to put together a winning program.

Ultimately this was a good move for both teams.

I’d give my first born for them to keep gase for just one more draft 

[Inigo Montoya]

25 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

I’d give my first born for them to keep gase for just one more draft 

Lol!  I’d love to see Gase stick around too.  The problem is their new GM Joe Douglas seems to know what he’s doing.  He learned from Ozzie Newsome who was a top 3 GM in football before he retired.  We have a two year head start on the Jets.  Let’s hope we can take advantage of it.

[BobbyC81]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Show me the contract Bean-o

 

Many old timers should remember that there was a G named Brian Winters who played for the Milwaukee Bucks after being traded for one Lew Alcindor.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

The 1984 Buffalo Bills were the worst team in Bills history.

 

I could name almost the entire roster without batting an eye.

 

Does that make me a bad person? ?

Of course not. We just live in a different climate. The New York metropolitan area has 9 pro sports teams (Giants, Jets, Yankees, ‘Mess’, Rangers, Islanders, Knick’s, Devils, Nets) and a slew of known college programs. With that many home teams, it’s easy to understand people cross off the current crappy teams as they all have real lives to deal with. We have 1 & a half. We know most Sabres and all the Bills cuz there’s literally nothing else sports wise. My home bar has Bills & Sabres memorabilia-& a couple Bison hockey things (I’m old). No baseball, UB or lacrosse stuff.