Jake Fromm: Controversial comments

[Rc2catch]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

Woah woah woah I make a post about tre and its 99% team related gets locked i get a warning like we can keep the world news out of these forums now today we got 28 pages about Jake $@$#@$ Fromm??

To be fair I’m not a mod, but your thread had no context or news to it whatsoever so I can see why it was locked. 
Fromm was national news today with a lot of headlines and viewpoints. Tre’s tweet wasn’t really newsworthy and vague. He plays shadow games without actually ever saying anything. 

[Turk71]

  Was not a fan of the Fromm pick to begin with, I would have taken OG Muti from Fresno St. The guy is a beast. Fromm was a wasted pick and I think he will be let go.

  To the people saying his text is being taken out of context. In what context would saying guns should be very expensive so only elite white people could afford them not be offensively racist?

  

[Rob's House]

8 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  Was not a fan of the Fromm pick to begin with, I would have taken OG Muti from Fresno St. The guy is a beast. Fromm was a wasted pick and I think he will be let go.

  To the people saying his text is being taken out of context. In what context would saying guns should be very expensive so only elite white people could afford them not be offensively racist?

  

 

In the context that it was clearly an innocuous joke.

 

If you're the kind of person who wants to take away a kid's dreams and livelihood over that, you probably aren't in a position to be judging anyone's moral character.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

  Was not a fan of the Fromm pick to begin with, I would have taken OG Muti from Fresno St. The guy is a beast. Fromm was a wasted pick and I think he will be let go.

  To the people saying his text is being taken out of context. In what context would saying guns should be very expensive so only elite white people could afford them not be offensively racist?

  

Why are you also taking things out of context? He never said only white people should have guns

 

He said only elite white people should have silencers. Meaning he was also classing out 97% of the white race because 97% of whites arent elitists

 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Turk71]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

In the context that it was clearly an innocuous joke.

 

If you're the kind of person who wants to take away a kid's dreams and livelihood over that, you probably aren't in a position to be judging anyone's moral character.

  I am not advocating for his dismissal, I just think he will be. I didn't like the pick when it happened and if he is let go I like it even less.

 How was it 'clearly' an innocuous joke? 

[BillsNutHawaii]

OMG, I just arrived at this post and already 28 pages ....and counting.  

 

I wish we could do a background investigation of everyone doing the finger pointing now ... I’m sure everyone would have a stain on their record .....and then (based on the so called “standard” many on this board have) we could all be jobless.  What a miserable bunch of people; finding joy by only wishing hate and destruction for each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HOUSE]

I see a lot of dropped passes coming in pre season.

Jake Fromm goes 1 for 16 for 3 yards and 4 dropped TDs

 

 

Edited June 5, 2020 by HOUSE

[Warcodered]

37 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I see a lot of dropped passes coming in pre season.

Jake Fromm goes 1 for 16 for 3 yards...

 

 

Eh probably not he's working for the backup QB spot he's bound to be working with WRs who can't afford to drop passes just because they don't like the QB throwing them.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Warcodered

[nucci]

15 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Let’s cancel every person who has said something stupid, insensitive, out of touch, or just down right offensive at any point in their lives...

Thanos snap everybody out of existence who has ever said anything offensive in private conversation, and I guarantee we lose a whole lot more than 50% of the world’s population.

In theory Thanos was correct...you can maybe question his methods

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

So you want to get rid of one of the best corners in the game because he doesn't represent Buffalo colors in his tweets and said his college coach was his best coach? 

That BS is irrelevant, but let's make one thing clear:

The Buffalo Bills > Tre White

 

Root for the uniform, not the player.

IF (not if, but IF) any player becomes more of a problem for the team than they are worth (ie. Ruben Brown, Eric Moulds), they can get the ***** out of town.

[eball]

It’s very, very difficult to determine whether apologies like Fromm’s and Brees’ are sincere.  I tend to put merit in the notion that most apologies come because the offender was “caught” and not because they truly recognize their error.  Brees is going to be given the benefit of the doubt because of who he is, as well as his record of service in the community.  I don’t know how Fromm “proves” his sincerity; he certainly has an uphill climb.  Does cutting him solve anything though?  I’m not talking about the Buffalo Bills football team here, because Fromm wasn’t going to play a significant role for any foreseeable future (and might not even make the team).  I’m talking about the notion that we give people an opportunity to redeem themselves and learn from mistakes.  As Leslie Frazier said, the locker room will be able to sift what’s real from what’s not.  If the Bills cut him, so be it, but I generally believe that knee-jerk reactions are not the way to go.

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What problems is Tre white causingfor the team? 

 

This is laughable. Fromm says some unbelievably racist ***** and Tre White tweets his displeasure towards it and he's the problem? 

 

Give me break. You cut Fromm right now if it's between him and Tre.

You are right. They aren't... gotta see how it plays out, but I can't imagine them changing their mind about him. 

 

And what Brees said doesn't compare to what Fromm said....

White is not the problem, but IF he continues to say or do things detrimental to the team, he can become A problem.

[Rico]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Such as what? 

Such as not knowing his role and shutting his mouth.

 

If there are any other issues (or non-issues, like this one with Fromm), the Bills will handle it.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Rico

[Needle]

 

 

Jake Fromm and Drew Brees should have sexually assaulted a woman instead. They wouldnt have received any backlash from other players. 

 

I think all of the players who are attacking these guys should turn their phones in. I'm sure their texts have never strayed of the righteous path.

[Greg S]

Jamal Adams responds.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/04/jamal-adams-to-drew-brees-jake-fromm-bulls-t-ass-apologies/

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

43 minutes ago, eball said:

It’s very, very difficult to determine whether apologies like Fromm’s and Brees’ are sincere.  I tend to put merit in the notion that most apologies come because the offender was “caught” and not because they truly recognize their error.  Brees is going to be given the benefit of the doubt because of who he is, as well as his record of service in the community.  I don’t know how Fromm “proves” his sincerity; he certainly has an uphill climb.  Does cutting him solve anything though?  I’m not talking about the Buffalo Bills football team here, because Fromm wasn’t going to play a significant role for any foreseeable future (and might not even make the team).  I’m talking about the notion that we give people an opportunity to redeem themselves and learn from mistakes.  As Leslie Frazier said, the locker room will be able to sift what’s real from what’s not.  If the Bills cut him, so be it, but I generally believe that knee-jerk reactions are not the way to go.

 

 

What did Brees get "caught" doing?  He made public statements during an interview.  He made (off-topic and tone deaf) comments about disrespecting the flag and etc in a discussion about police brutality vs black Americans.  He no doubt holds the thoughts he shared---as well as the elaboration that followed.

 

Fromm was speaking frankly to a friend his true thoughts in private (he assumed).  2 days ago, do you think he felt his past comments in that conversation were "mistakes"?

 

No.  This is how this kid thinks.  He can't "redeem" himself to a locker room full of guys who have never met him before.  He can say what he feels will get him out of trouble, but this is who he is and Leslie Frazier and his Gandhi quotes aren't going to change him.

 

 

[CNYfan]

As to Billsfan692's points about Tre, I cannot speak anything about his instagram posts or other social media inclinations.

 

But from my uninformed spot in the cyber-world when Beane made the comment about "Well if a guy wants to play in Louisiana there is only so much you can do about that."  my intuition immediately told me that he was talking about Tre White.  

 

On the hand I did see a blurb where he told Jamal Adams that the Bills Fans were the best when Jamal was saying he would have to go somewhere else to get paid

[eball]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

What did Brees get "caught" doing?  He made public statements during an interview.  He made (off-topic and tone deaf) comments about disrespecting the flag and etc in a discussion about police brutality vs black Americans.  He no doubt holds the thoughts he shared---as well as the elaboration that followed.

 

Fromm was speaking frankly to a friend his true thoughts in private (he assumed).  2 days ago, do you think he felt his past comments in that conversation were "mistakes"?

 

No.  This is how this kid thinks.  He can't "redeem" himself to a locker room full of guys who have never met him before.  He can say what he feels will get him out of trouble, but this is who he is and Leslie Frazier and his Gandhi quotes aren't going to change him.

 

 

 

Brees got "caught" in his failure to understand that a silent protest during the national anthem has nothing to do with "disrespecting the flag."  He still doesn't get it.

[thebandit27]

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Because Allen was 15 and using “n*ggas” while sophomorically quoting rap lyrics, a genre he appears to be a big fan of? Huge difference between a young kid doing that and a Bible-Belt holier-than-thou type (look it up) *actually implying that whites are a more elite people* (regardless of whether he was joking or not). It is figuratively apples and oranges. 

Thanks.

 

The Josh Allen thing was absurd. He quoted a Modern Family episode and hip hop lyrics on Twitter. He called teams personally to set the record straight and his teammates (all of them) absolutely love him.

 

You can’t tell me that a locker room with outspoken guys like Tre, Dawkins, LorAx, Shady, etc wouldn’t have put him on blast immediately if he harbored even a scintilla of racism as a 22 year old entering the league.

[Protocal69]

10 hours ago, Raleigh • √eff said:

 He seems to be joking about being an elite white person. Bad form and bad timing. What if Josh's "if it ain't white, it ain't right" tweet just got leaked? Would we have to cut him too? How is this different? Before you judge, think about if every one of your texts got made public, would there be anything to talk about? He made a mistake.  He took ownership and apologized. Forgive and move on imo. 

Big difference bro. I’m Black and though I may not think like the majority of us a lot of the time, I feel like Josh saying ‘If It Ain’t White It Ain’t Right, how is that any different than a black person like myself saying "Once you go Black,  You Never Go Back" There is nothing wrong in saying somethings in jess in a playful manor. What Fromm said crossed the line cause not only did he include Race into it he also included Social Class to basically say, if you are not White and Privileged then you should not own guns. That to me that is basic slave master mentality. 
 

That’s speaks to me not only how he views himself but how he views people not like him. I would cut him yesterday if not for the optics alone. I love Josh Allen and I try to look at context in a situation , which with Josh I looked at the person in totality and took his age and other factors like things I read about him being a good teammate and tried to put myself in his shoes and I felt comfortable in giving him the benefit of the doubt and Josh has been nothing but great On and OFF the field, BUT in light of the Fromm situation the LAST thing you want to have is the optics of the BILLS organization be comfortable with drafting White racist QB’s and for that reason alone like I said I would have cut Fromm yesterday.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Protocal69

[Mickey]

1 hour ago, Needle said:

 

 

Jake Fromm and Drew Brees should have sexually assaulted a woman instead. They wouldnt have received any backlash from other players. 

 

I think all of the players who are attacking these guys should turn their phones in. I'm sure their texts have never strayed of the righteous path.

 

And do you think all of the posters who are attacking the players should turn their phones in? Are you sure their texts, including your own have never strayed off the righteous path?

 

Classic distraction. Lets not deal with the issue, racism, lets kvetch and moan about those who do want to deal with it and raise the phantom of other sins. And thus, racism is dismissed, not directly but by sleight of mouth.  

[eball]

8 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Big difference bro. I’m black and though I may not think like the majority of us a lot of the time, I feel like Josh saying ‘If It Ain’t White It Ain’t Right, how is that any different than a black person like myself saying "Once you go Black,  You Never Go Back" There is nothing wrong in saying somethings in jess in a playful manor. What Fromm said crossed the line cause not only did he include Race into it he also included Social Class to basically say, if you are not White and Privileged then you should not own guns. That to me that is basic slave master mentality. 
 

That’s speaks to me not only how he view himself but how he view people not like him. I would cut him yesterday if not for the optics alone. I love Josh Allen and I try to look at context in a situation in which with Josh I looked at the person in totality and it took his age and other factor from what I read and tried to put myself in his shoes and I felt comfortable in giving him the benefit of the doubt and Josh has been nothing but great on and off the field, BUT in light of the Fromm situation the LAST thing you want to have is the optics of the BILLS organization be comfortable with drafting White racist QB’s and for that reason alone like I said I would have cut Fromm yesterday.

 

Thanks for this perspective.  It means a lot.

[Needle]

9 minutes ago, Mickey said:

 

And do you think all of the posters who are attacking the players should turn their phones in? Are you sure their texts, including your own have never strayed off the righteous path?

 

Classic distraction. Lets not deal with the issue, racism, lets kvetch and moan about those who do want to deal with it and raise the phantom of other sins. And thus, racism is dismissed, not directly but by sleight of mouth.  

I'm sure we have all said things we wish we could take back. My point is that far more damaging actions are overlooked on the regular. 

 

This thing has gone off the rails once again and it will be silly witch hunt that serves no purpose. I don't hear a lot of discussions on how to help poor black communities. Get Drew Brees!

[GreggTX]

Clearly Jake's actions were wrong. There's no serious debate about that point. He has also embarrassed the entire organization and reopened old wounds for Josh Allen. Despite that, however, I am willing to forgive, but on 1 condition. Young Mr. Fromm needs become part of the solution by actively working for it and I stress the word 'actively'. Wether it's engaging in protests on an ongoing basis or speaking to groups or whatever is up to him. "I'm sorry" is not enough.

[Mr. WEO]

48 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Brees got "caught" in his failure to understand that a silent protest during the national anthem has nothing to do with "disrespecting the flag."  He still doesn't get it.

 

Yes, we just covered that.  We differ on the definition of "caught", I guess 

[thenorthremembers]

Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in yours.

 

Thank God none of you, including St. Tre and St. Jamal have had your/their conversations recorded and printed on the internet.  What Jake did was wrong and stupid but make no mistake about it we have all done stupid and insensitive things during our lifetime, because we are human and sinful.  

 

Pride comes before the fall.  If you want to crucify a guy for his sins because its the popular thing to do at the moment be my guest, but you better be very careful about how you live your own life.

[GreggTX]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

White is not the problem, but IF he continues to say or do things detrimental to the team, he can become A problem.

Continues what exactly? Based on the comments I've seen from him in this thread, there is no cause for concern. None. Is it detrimental to the team that he favors his college coach? Is it detrimental to the team that he is upset about racist remarks? He should be. What's the problem?

[thebandit27]

11 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Clearly Jake's actions were wrong. There's no serious debate about that point. He has also embarrassed the entire organization and reopened old wounds for Josh Allen. Despite that, however, I am willing to forgive, but on 1 condition. Young Mr. Fromm needs become part of the solution by actively working for it and I stress the word 'actively'. Wether it's engaging in protests on an ongoing basis or speaking to groups or whatever is up to him. "I'm sorry" is not enough.

How kind of you to offer your conditional forgiveness 

[Pasaluki]

I go back to the idea that playing in the NFL is a privilege not a right. Why should the Bills risk the cohesion of their locker room when they are very close to achieving great things to protect someone who at best is a backup QB with an insufficient arm? 

 

If the Bills want to overcome the Patriots they must change their mentality and stop being warm and fuzzy and start thinking about the upside vs downside of keeping a 5th round pick. 

 

Fromm did make a mistake yes and that girl did set him up.

It sucks for him but like it or not Fromm now is damaged goods and fans and players are now going to use what happened to him and Josh Allen as a cudgel to beat the organization over the head and undermine it. 

 

The truth is that Fromm is a 5th round pick that isnt worth any of this drama. 

 

[HeHateMe]

This witch hunt is insane... he made a bad joke in a private conversation via text message a year ago...  Let's see everyone's text history... other players too.

Edited June 5, 2020 by HeHateMe

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HeHateMe said:

This witch hunt is insane... he made a bad joke in a private conversation via text message a year ago...  Let's see everyone's text history... other players too.

Yeah, I’m sure no Bills players have ever said worse things about women in their private texts.

[Happy]

6 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

This witch hunt is insane... he made a bad joke in a private conversation via text message a year ago...  Let's see everyone's text history... other players too.

 

The sad thing is that if these old texts came out during any other time, given all that is happening right now, they would not have received anywhere near the attention that they have.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Thank God none of you, including St. Tre and St. Jamal have had your/their conversations recorded and printed on the internet.  What Jake did was wrong and stupid but make no mistake about it we have all done stupid and insensitive things during our lifetime, because we are human and sinful.  

x10 in private text messages with friends. 

 

Whether the topic is fat people, mentally disabled, sexist, racial, I guarantee a majority of young men of all backgrounds and races have in some form joked around in text messages with friends about any or all of these topics.

 

For those that want to see Fromm cut, I think that just makes things worst for Josh Allen. You know a reporters next question is going to be why did you cut Fromm when Allen had multiple racist twitter posts?

 

My next thought is it that it does not seem right to me that private text messages can be leaked to a public forum like twitter. If someone posts something on twitter that is one thing. But a text message between two people should remain between two people. It should take consent from both to publish to twitter or maybe law enforcement can make it public if what is being described or talked about in a text is serious enough to be used in a legal case. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pasaluki]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

For those that want to see Fromm cut, I think that just makes things worst for Josh Allen. You know a reporters next question is going to be why did you cut Fromm when Allen had multiple racist twitter posts?

 

My next thought is it that it does not seem right to me that private text messages can be leaked to a public forum like twitter. If someone posts something on twitter that is one thing. But a text message between two people should remain between two people. It should take consent from both to publish to twitter or maybe law enforcement can make it public if what is being described or talked about in a text is serious enough to be used in a legal case. 

 

 

It makes it worse if he stays because everyone forgot about Josh Allens tweets for 2 years and suddenly they are brought up all the time now.

I agree that it isn't right that the girl releases the text messages but that isn't the Bills fault either.

[aristocrat]

Has anyone brought up why the girl just didn’t ask him for like 50k not to release them? 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

45 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in yours.

 

Thank God none of you, including St. Tre and St. Jamal have had your/their conversations recorded and printed on the internet.  What Jake did was wrong and stupid but make no mistake about it we have all done stupid and insensitive things during our lifetime, because we are human and sinful.  

 

Pride comes before the fall.  If you want to crucify a guy for his sins because its the popular thing to do at the moment be my guest, but you better be very careful about how you live your own life.

Post of the day.  

[Chicken Boo]

19 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I'll admit I've had personal text conversations where I've made very off-color jokes to my friends. It's not right that this was leaked and I don't take it as a statement on who Fromm is as a person. I'm sure everyone here has said something in private that would destroy their career if it was made public.

 

I know what you're saying but that fact that his friend felt the need to post this publicly leads me to believe this isn't the first time he's made "off-color jokes".

[Needle]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I know what you're saying but that fact that his friend felt the need to post this publicly leads me to believe this isn't the first time he's made "off-color jokes".

Maybe Fromm banged his girlfriend? Maybe Fromm is a racist lunatic? I wouldn't assume anything.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Needle said:

Maybe Fromm banged his girlfriend? Maybe Fromm is a racist lunatic? I wouldn't assume anything.

I think the friend who posted it was a girl 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I know what you're saying but that fact that his friend felt the need to post this publicly leads me to believe this isn't the first time he's made "off-color jokes".

 

If you dig a little deeper on her twitter, she (its a her) is pretty clear that she is having a great racial awakening in light of the Floyd protests. I'm almost positive this girl doesn't have any additional reason to believe Fromm is a racist.