Jake Fromm: Controversial comments

[Ralonzo]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 The third guy, Timothy Kennedy, is a Democrat.

 

That bum who thought it was a good idea to take the Sabres to arbitration?

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

I wonder how long it will be when the media shows up to the Jets facility to ask Gregg Williams if he could elaborate on his " kill the head and the body will die" comment several years ago? 

 

You see, I can play this game too! 

 

The kid has a little sarcasm in him, who doesn't. Plenty of people and team mates have come to his defense. Maybe it's time for some media circles to fish in deeper waters instead of wading in a stream.

 

I might be inclined to agree with you but I need to check with Twitter to see if I'm supposed to hate you.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Not sure how "conservative" any of these people are, but...

Chris Jacobs is a NYS State Senator (R- Buffalo)  who represents part of Buffalo. He's a Republican. He's running for Chris Collins old seat though, so there is a chance he will be gone soon. Mike Ranzenhofer is also a Republican, (R- Buffalo), State Senator.  The third guy, Timothy Kennedy, is a Democrat.

 

Jacobs seat is mainly Hamburg , orchard Park, Tonawanda, with only a small section of Buffalo

 

Mainely southtown not the city

 

Same with Mike R, more inner suburbs

 

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Buffalo716

[NoHuddleKelly12]

I think it’s important to consider Jake’s character overall in the context of what we know of him, other than one text viewed in isolation/out of context? Just saying there’s a big difference between an inappropriate one-off sorry excuse for what may have been a joke, versus having a catalogue of troubling incidents that show the measure of a racist flawed worldview, imho.

 

Of course, it’s possible that this is in fact par for the course for Jake, but as it’s just as possible that it’s not, I won’t tar and feather him permanently just yet until knowing more. I can say as a GA resident for a number of years, I haven’t ever heard something like this before about him in the local press, fwiw.

Edited June 4, 2020 by NoHuddleKelly12

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Jacobs seat is mainly Hamburg , orchard Park, Tonawanda, with only a small section of Buffalo

 

Mainely southtown

He happens to represent my parents area in Buffalo, so I knew he was in the city.

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

He happens to represent my parents area in Buffalo, so I knew he was in the city.

 

Yes it's a very small portion. Very small

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes it's a very small portion. Very small

I found it more interesting that his constituent breakdown is 45.7% D,  26.1% R,  19.5% (no party).  Guess the Jacobs money can overcome...
 

[YoloinOhio]

UGA teammates 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

I found it more interesting that his constituent breakdown is 45.7% D,  26.1% R,  19.5% (no party).  Guess the Jacobs money can overcome...
 

Yes I saw that too. Quite interesting, though it probably says something about the Democrat opponent he ran against last time

 

Probably super unqualified

[JESSEFEFFER]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

the conversation does seem to indicate there was prior conversation that was for whatever reason not included but who knows what that says.

I would want to know what that says before I could come to a conclusion.  As a member of the jury in the court of public opinion, I'd want to know that.

[Mango]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I've touched on this before so I don't want to get to in depth and hijack this thread

 

The city is not one area. Buffalo is made up of the east side, the Westside, North buffalo , South Buffalo, downtown, Lovejoy, kaisertown, Elmwood village, Allentown etc

 

All these neighborhoods are pretty much separate. Some are doing better than the others

 

North Buffalo, Elmwood village, downtown, Allentown all have been revitalized or in the process of. It is gorgeous and a nice place to raise your family

 

The east side and west side are still projects for the most part, and needs serious revitalization. That is where most of the poverty and child poverty and sadness is. On the east and west side of Buffalo, the Southside also has a poverty problem

 

 

 

Which is why I am largely speaking regionally and those numbers aren't specific to a neighborhood. People are just reshuffling, the overall situation is not getting better. It is trendier now than ever to live "in the city" so those can afford to do so, are doing it. But things are not better for the people who were originally there. They are exactly the same, they just live in a different neighorhood now. That isn't progress. 

 

This time I am really out. ha!

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes I saw that too. Quite interesting, though it probably says something about the Democrat opponent he ran against last time

 

Probably super unqualified

I asked my mother how in the world they ended up with an R the other day (she was contacting the Feds for something and she needed the State so I had to get her the proper contacts) as I was very surprised to not see a D. She said he was a very good guy. ?‍♂️

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I am so disgusted with the state of the country right now.  We really need sports

[John from Riverside]

The internet is forever......

[SirAndrew]

I don’t care to get into the politics, or Fromm’s character. I just enjoyed the “white elite” part of the text. Funny how some pro athletes seem to think they are “elites”, because they have money based solely off the ability to play a game. 

[Billl]

17 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

I wonder how long it will be when the media shows up to the Jets facility to ask Gregg Williams if he could elaborate on his " kill the head and the body will die" comment several years ago? 

 

You see, I can play this game too! 

You realize Williams was suspended longer than anyone for his role in that ordeal, right?

[SirAndrew]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This kid's just another dumb redneck.   There was a reason no one wanted this bum.

 

They should toss his banjo strummin hillbilly ass to the curb.

No, he’s an “elite” apparently. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Which is why I am largely speaking regionally and those numbers aren't specific to a neighborhood. People are just reshuffling, the overall situation is not getting better. It is trendier now than ever to live "in the city" so those can afford to do so, are doing it. But things are not better for the people who were originally there. They are exactly the same, they just live in a different neighorhood now. That isn't progress. 

 

This time I am really out. ha!

 

When you can have civil conversations, you don't need to run from important things

 

I completely agree, this has always been my home so I see it

 

I got a lot of flak in the new stadium thread, because I specifically said poor residents of the East and West sides can't afford an increase in taxes to pay for a new stadium

 

There are lots of people in the city doing good, and there are lots doing bad. As I said it's mainly the east and west side that's in hard poverty, and it's been that way for a long long time, it's sad

 

But the city is definitely safer than it was in 1992 and that's progress at least. The days of Sly green running wild on the east side are no more for the most part. Those days are gone

Edited June 4, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Just in Atlanta]

I was hoping for a respite by coming to TBD and...boom. Emotionally and intellectually exhausting. 

[Rc2catch]

I wouldn’t crucify the kid without seeing the entire conversation. It seemed like he was egged on and it was a running joke between them. Either way he’s taking a real beating over this. 
Regardless of race I’m sure lots of these guys say inappropriate racey jokes in private texts or in person. Jamal Adams might not be so vocal if texts were “leaked” at a perfect time just to go after his credibility. Plenty of white guys and black guys joke about other races without actually being racist. Maybe it’s worse than I think I can’t put myself in someone else’s shoes but claiming to be white elite seems like a joke from someone who isn’t even making much money at the time. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

I wouldn’t crucify the kid without seeing the entire conversation. It seemed like he was egged on and it was a running joke between them. Either way he’s taking a real beating over this. 
Regardless of race I’m sure lots of these guys say inappropriate racey jokes in private texts or in person. Jamal Adams might not be so vocal if texts were “leaked” at a perfect time just to go after his credibility. Plenty of white guys and black guys joke about other races without actually being racist. Maybe it’s worse than I think I can’t put myself in someone else’s shoes but claiming to be white elite seems like a joke from someone who isn’t even making much money at the time. 

Reasonable and decent response. Be nice if that were the norm.

[buffalobillswin]

3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I wouldn’t crucify the kid without seeing the entire conversation. It seemed like he was egged on and it was a running joke between them. Either way he’s taking a real beating over this. 
Regardless of race I’m sure lots of these guys say inappropriate racey jokes in private texts or in person. Jamal Adams might not be so vocal if texts were “leaked” at a perfect time just to go after his credibility. Plenty of white guys and black guys joke about other races without actually being racist. Maybe it’s worse than I think I can’t put myself in someone else’s shoes but claiming to be white elite seems like a joke from someone who isn’t even making much money at the time. 

What a great response. Black people say bad things too. 
 

Jesus Christ 

 

anyways here is another QB this board will like more than Tyrod soon enough. 

[Clyde Smith]

Tired of these pop sh!t and apologize dudes. I don't care if he's a Bill, f*** him too.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Dog park woman lost her job before the Floyd murder. That's just off the top of my head. 

 

I don't think you can quite call the dog-off-leash (not dog park) woman "a dumb choice of words".  She responded to a request to leash her dog in accord with the posted signs by saying she would make a false report to the police.  That's actually a crime as well as a lie and immoral.

But Fromm's tweets or what have you read to me like BS'ing around and I'm with those who would like to know the whole context of the tweets.

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

No, he’s an “elite” apparently. 

From where he’s from, that means he owned a pair of shoes...

[eball]

When issues like this are being discussed, a lot of people should really remember the adage that it is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. 

[billsbackto81]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

You realize Williams was suspended longer than anyone for his role in that ordeal, right?

Of course I do. My point is mistakes are made and said. Words are misinterpreted. Williams was malicious, not racial. Just like Fromm was sarcastic, not racial. Brees spoke of patriotism, not race. Sensitivity is at an all time high, like a virgin rounding 3rd base for the first time.

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

What a great response. Black people say bad things too. 
 

Jesus Christ 

 

anyways here is another QB this board will like more than Tyrod soon enough. 

Jesus Christ probably never mentioned “elite white people”.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Twitter outrage getting those results ?

 

Twitter is a plague on society 

 

I see no lies there

[ChasBB]

If it is true, just cut him.  That's the only statement that can be made that these kinds of views - even if said jokingly in social media, are simply unacceptable.  It's the only way to move forward and keep this team together.  Also, if it's true, ***** job by Bills in vetting the guy - should have understood by now that social media needs to be scanned meticulously prior to drafting a guy.  I sure hope is fake.  Dividing the team cannot happen and he must go if this is accurate - it's that simple.

[JaCrispy]

Meh, I didn’t see him making the team anyway...?

[Bobby Hooks]

10 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

If it is true, just cut him.  That's the only statement that can be made that these kinds of views - even if said jokingly in social media, are simply unacceptable.  It's the only way to move forward and keep this team together.  Also, if it's true, ***** job by Bills in vetting the guy - should have understood by now that social media needs to be scanned meticulously prior to drafting a guy.  I sure hope is fake.  Dividing the team cannot happen and he must go if this is accurate - it's that simple.

Yeah Bills should have read every private text he ever sent. ? 

 

it wasnt social media. It was a private text. You’re being s little ridiculous here. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Bobby Hooks

[JESSEFEFFER]

14 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

If it is true, just cut him.  That's the only statement that can be made that these kinds of views - even if said jokingly in social media, are simply unacceptable.  It's the only way to move forward and keep this team together.  Also, if it's true, ***** job by Bills in vetting the guy - should have understood by now that social media needs to be scanned meticulously prior to drafting a guy.  I sure hope is fake.  Dividing the team cannot happen and he must go if this is accurate - it's that simple.

 

This was not "social media" available to the public.  It was a private text exchange.  Whether there is "other" stuff in the public realm but we have yet to see it.  It's also curious that this young lady does not call him out on having made a racist statement.  She calls him out for using the word "elite" and implying that he himself was.

Edited June 4, 2020 by JESSEFEFFER

[stinky finger]

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

If he said it, it's a problem, even if he was joking. 

 

Agree.

 

Joking is NOT funny. 

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

It sounds like it was a joke.

 

oh no, he said guns are good! Lock him up!

 

come on - the man said......

 

(not a problem)

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Jacobs seat is mainly Hamburg , orchard Park, Tonawanda, with only a small section of Buffalo

 

Mainely southtown not the city

 

Same with Mike R, more inner suburbs

 

 

 

That section is the like affluent area around delaware park too IIRC.

[Rc2catch]

11 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

 

This was not "social media" available to the public.  It was a private text exchange.  Whether there is "other" stuff in the public realm but we have yet to see it.  

That’s partly the biggest problem is so many read the headline and have zero clue of the actual situation or context and base judgement immediately. It’s ok to click stories and read what actually happens 

[ALLEN1QB]

Who released it? Ex girlfriend?

[stinky finger]

5 hours ago, Mango said:

No Jake is ruining his own career. It’s an important distinction. Hold him accountable for his words, not the one who made them public. 

 

Perfect, are ya?

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

I wouldn’t crucify the kid without seeing the entire conversation. It seemed like he was egged on and it was a running joke between them. Either way he’s taking a real beating over this. 
Regardless of race I’m sure lots of these guys say inappropriate racey jokes in private texts or in person. Jamal Adams might not be so vocal if texts were “leaked” at a perfect time just to go after his credibility. Plenty of white guys and black guys joke about other races without actually being racist. Maybe it’s worse than I think I can’t put myself in someone else’s shoes but claiming to be white elite seems like a joke from someone who isn’t even making much money at the time. 

 

58 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Reasonable and decent response. Be nice if that were the norm.

 

47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think you can quite call the dog-off-leash (not dog park) woman "a dumb choice of words". 
But Fromm's tweets or what have you read to me like BS'ing and I'm with those who would like to know the whole context of the tweets.

I was friends with mostly minorities in the military...they accepted me and I accepted them. We would joke with each other about all kinds of "inappropriate" things, brought on by them first mind you... I didn't start joking back until they said off-color jokes. We loved each other and would die for each other! We had each other's backs and had respect for each other started by this kind of bonding. 

 

Would you call them racist for off-color comments they made? No, they were joking and you needed the context. Would you call me racist for off-color comments I would rib them with? Absolutely!

[That's No Moon]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Jesus Christ probably never mentioned “elite white people”.  

He kinda did, just not in the way they like to think he did.

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

 

 

I was friends with mostly minorities in the military...they accepted me and I accepted them. We would joke with each other about all kinds of "inappropriate" things, brought on by them first mind you... I didn't start joking back until they said off-color jokes. We loved each other and would die for each other! We had each other's backs and had respect for each other started by this kind of bonding. 

 

Would you call them racist for off-color comments they made? No, they were joking and you needed the context. Would you call me racist for off-color comments I would rib them with? Absolutely!

If you made racist jokes against blacks in a conversation between yourself and another white person, yes.  Joking around about race with minorities doesn’t give you free license to say racist things for life.