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Would you pull this trade off if you were the Bills GM?

 

John Brown for AJ Green

 

AJ Green is not happy in Cincy and wants a new deal.  He is a perennial pro bowler, (7 pro bowls).  AJ Green has only played 4 full seasons out of 9. He probably would play 2 more years tops.  Personally I think for the short term he would be amazing on the other side of Diggs, almost like what James Lofton was for Andre Reed.  He is great with the intermediate and deep ball and has a knack for the end zone.

 

John Brown's value has never been higher.  He is coming off a great year with Buffalo and has 2 years remaining on his contract. He lacks size but is a very good route runner and came through in the clutch many times for us last year.  John Brown has only played 2 full seasons out of 6.

 

AJ Green (will be 32yrs old when the season begins)                      John Brown (will be 30yrs old when the season begins)                             

6'4                                                                                                                5'11

9 seasons                                                                                                   6 seasons

75 catches per season  avg                                                                    48 catches per season avg

1,113 yards per season avg                                                                    715 yards per season avg

8 td's per season avg                                                                                5 td's per season avg

7 pro bowls                                                                                                 0 pro bowls

 

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You're looking at statistics the wrong way.   You shouldn't look at them over the player's entire career.   You should be looking at them in a statistically relevant sample size, or in this case, the most recent years, and not just over a one year period which could give you anomalies.   A good sample size is the last three years.  In that case you'd end up with the following:  That said why would you trade a younger player, for an older, more injured player who is less productive?  Especially when the younger player just had his best career as a pro?

 

Player

Current Age

GMS/YR

Rec/YR

Yrds/YR

TD/YR

Green

30

9

43

570

4

Brown

29

13

45

690

4

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7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're looking at statistics the wrong way.   You shouldn't look at them over the player's entire career.   You should be looking at them in a statistically relevant sample size, or in this case, the most recent years, and not just over a one year period which could give you anomalies.   A good sample size is the last three years.  In that case you'd end up with the following:  That said why would you trade a younger player, for an older, more injured player who is less productive?  Especially when the younger player just had his best career as a pro?

 

Player

Current Age

GMS/YR

Rec/YR

Yrds/YR

TD/YR

Green

30

9

43

570

4

Brown

29

13

45

690

4

If there’s salary room, of course it would be a no-brainer trade.  Green has been about equally productive while playing 12 fewer games and at about 60% physically.  If he returns to full strength, he’s twice the player.  If he doesn’t, he’s still at least equal.

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Maybe if they throw in a second. But even then, I don’t see a need. Diggs and Brown are a sexy compliment to me because the both are 3 level threats whose speed has to be accounted for. You can’t play single high against them on the outside.

 

We wanted that to happen with Foster and Brown on the outside, but Foster laid an egg. We know we’re getting it with Brown and Diggs.

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I would not do that trade, primarily because of Green’s injury issues recently. That, and Brown seems to be trending up the last two seasons. 
 

Peak AJ Green is a better player for sure. But I don’t think peak AJ exists anymore.

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13 minutes ago, Billl said:

If there’s salary room, of course it would be a no-brainer trade.  Green has been about equally productive while playing 12 fewer games and at about 60% physically.  If he returns to full strength, he’s twice the player.  If he doesn’t, he’s still at least equal.

 

the statistics on whether he returns to full strength or plays in all of those games where he is not helping you at all is 0 divided by zero

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27 minutes ago, Billl said:

If there’s salary room, of course it would be a no-brainer trade.  Green has been about equally productive while playing 12 fewer games and at about 60% physically.  If he returns to full strength, he’s twice the player.  If he doesn’t, he’s still at least equal.

The best decisions are made by taking the scenario that has fewer "what ifs."  For me its a no brainer to keep Brown.

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7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

The best decisions are made by taking the scenario that has fewer "what ifs."  For me its a no brainer to keep Brown.

Brown is easily replaceable.  AJ Green’s upside is not.

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11 minutes ago, Billl said:

Brown is easily replaceable.  AJ Green’s upside is not.

Completely disagree with you.  A.J. Green hasnt been a top player at his position in going on five seasons.   His production since then has been easily replaced on his own team by Tyler Boyd.    John Brown's 2019 season is arguably the best season a Bills wideout has had since Stevie Johnson in 2010.   That said, I'd say Brown's importance to Buffalo eclipses what Green has meant to Cincinnati.

 

A.J. Green's upside hasn't been in play for close to five years now.   No way you trade a known resource, for a player thats 30 years old, and has played nine games in two years just because he is tall and used to be good.   If you want to go that route Demaryius Thomas is a free agent.

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A lot of good arguments - but nobody brought in money on this one yet.  AJ green is on a franchise tag of about 18 million - Browns base salary is 7.  We'd have to eat 3.2 million of bonus on JB's deal so we'd then essentially be dedicating 21 million of cap to AJ green for 1 year.  If you want to keep him after that year the tag goes up 20% so it becomes a 2 year deal for like 40 million or more.  

 

U also lose the asset of JB's contract in year 3.  Sub 10 million cap hit for a starting WR on a non-rookie deal is a real nice deal.  Year 3 also has like nothing guaranteed so if you decide to roll with Davis, you are free to do so with little in the way of cap effect.  He also has some trade value with a dollar value that low.  With Green you likely let him walk, not necessarily by choice, and possibly get a comp pick in 2022. 

 

This doesn't factor in the fact that AJ has not played football since basically October 2018 (he had 1 catch in december, but none in the 3 games in novemeber)...  

 

To me - it isn't worth the risk of re-injury, nor is it worth the financial risk after making the Diggs trade.  I'd consider this case closed.

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2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

A lot of good arguments - but nobody brought in money on this one yet.  AJ green is on a franchise tag of about 18 million - Browns base salary is 7.  We'd have to eat 3.2 million of bonus on JB's deal so we'd then essentially be dedicating 21 million of cap to AJ green for 1 year.  If you want to keep him after that year the tag goes up 20% so it becomes a 2 year deal for like 40 million or more.  

 

U also lose the asset of JB's contract in year 3.  Sub 10 million cap hit for a starting WR on a non-rookie deal is a real nice deal.  Year 3 also has like nothing guaranteed so if you decide to roll with Davis, you are free to do so with little in the way of cap effect.  He also has some trade value with a dollar value that low.  With Green you likely let him walk, not necessarily by choice, and possibly get a comp pick in 2022. 

 

This doesn't factor in the fact that AJ has not played football since basically October 2018 (he had 1 catch in december, but none in the 3 games in novemeber)...  

 

To me - it isn't worth the risk of re-injury, nor is it worth the financial risk after making the Diggs trade.  I'd consider this case closed.

Yeah, what he said...

 

1) Too old

2) Too hurt

3) Too $$$

 

Other than that, Green's a catch!

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2 hours ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said:

Would you pull this trade off if you were the Bills GM?

 

John Brown for AJ Green

 

 Well I think we know your answer. 
 
AJ Green is about ready for the glue factory.  He is half unable to play and half unwilling to play.
 
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Just now, hjnick said:

Yeah, what he said...

 

1) Too old

2) Too hurt

3) Too $$$

 

Other than that, Green's a catch!

 

Why not Dez Bryant? he hasn't played since 2017 and would cost like 5% of AJ green and its not guaranteed.  

 

Not that i think buffalo needs another WR at this point.  Top 4 is pretty much set with depth who can fill in. 

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I never understood the "trade him while he has value" argument. It's like trading in a car that still runs well "because it has value." If it has value, then keep it!

 

And in this case, we'd be trading in a car that runs well for an older model that's been in the shop a lot lately and doesn't run as well. Sure, the older one was a better model at one time, but I'll take a reliable Chevy over a sputtering Cadillac any day.

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No.   You know Diggs will want the ball.  Brown is a good teammate and will pay his role as a #2.  Green is not used to being a #2.  Besides, Brown and Josh already click, 

 

We might not have enough footballs to go around if you add Green.:    Diggs - Brown or AJ Green - Beasley - The TE - Singletary/Moss - 4th Wideout

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Notwithstanding the many knee jerk reactions, this is actually an interesting proposition. Not sure what I would do. I doubt either are in the league 3 years from now. It really comes down to who I think is going to do the most this year. Not sure who that would be. 

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This hypothetical is clearly coming from 20 years of no playoffs, always looking ahead to the next draft, what guy can we trade to get draft picks, if we just get this one guy the team will be amazing...For some people it takes longer to shake that feeling than others

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