New Aaron Hernandez Documentary on Netflix. Wow . Must watch

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

 Interesting part was his childhood friend saying how he wished he was drafted as far as possible from Connecticut and maybe that's true

 

Isn't Florida pretty far away from Connecticut?  And yet.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I read an article about Aaron Hernandez a couple of years back that mentioned he was gay in high school, which wouldn't have gone over well with his father had it been known.  Apparently his father was pretty tough on Aaron.  Was any of this mentioned?

Yes. All of it. I just finished the 2nd episode.

[Jay_Fixit]

13 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Even with all the Hernandez specials already done by other companies , I'm 1 episode in and this documentary is absolutely addicting. Covers much much more details and is a must watch imo. 

 

Just go on your Netflix , search Aaron Hernandez to find the documentary ,if it doesn't Pop up on your home screen. Just came out at midnight . 

 

Gotta say , this really made me feel for Hernandez and all parties involved in this tragedy .

You feel for Hernandez?

 

Sorry but... LOL

 

You probably root for actors to win Oscars too.

[Da webster guy]

Yeah its good, my son and I binged it tonite.  It's a wild story.

    The thing I never realized is the guy shot 4 people, and all of them were premeditated.  3 of them died, somehow the 4th guy made it despite being shot in the face.

     Remarkable how chilled and joking the guy was on recorded jail phone calls about getting put away for life.  Dude never seemed down or lost his sense of humor.

    Lastly, it was good to see them show the inhumane side of Belichick.  Aaron comes to him looking for a trade or to be released to another city because he's in fear of the thugs he wronged.  Bill says nope.   Aaron hires his own thugs to be bodyguards, and they become his close friends, with him when they drove Boyd to a secluded apot and Hernandez guns him down. 

AH told his fiancee Bill was the worst coach of all time haha obviously not technically just as a human being. 

    He had Urban Meyer all those years in FL he was used to a kind coach with personality and compassion.  He got drafted by smug Bill and mullet man Kraft, and only 2 hours away from all his homies where he grew up.  That was definitely bad luck for a kid who was already troubled.

 

[StHustle]

14 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I mean they reveal alot of the jail calls and apparently after his father passed, his mom starts dating his cousin fiancee , and just months after , moves into the house , just one example of some real f'd up stuff that is going to psychologically mess with a teenagers head. Still no excuse to murder anybody . 

 

Watched Episode 1. I must say....I concur.

[transplantbillsfan]

Watched the first episode.

 

I get why people are saying it's sad. It is.

 

Very Shakespearean.

 

It does humanize Hernandez.  But when I say it's Shakespearean, I'm talking specifically Macbeth. There's no tragedy in their ultimate death because they deserved it. The tragedy is what led up to them being deserving of their demise.

[StHustle]

16 hours ago, MJS said:

And that's the catch all excuse for football players... And I'm sick of seeing it used as an excuse.

 

Excuse? Are you arguing against proven science? I can understand when its used anytime a player does any little thing but when its clear mental issues you can't just blow it off. That's very disrespectful to the very people who provide the entertainment playing this game you love to watch.

 

Hernandez had the worst case of CTE the most recognized CTE researcher in the world ever saw. Hernadez murdered 2 people because a drink was spilled on him in the club. He was CLEARLY affected by the disease. I believe it was a combination of CTE, losing his dad in a freak surgical death, terrible relationship with his mom (who he felt betrayed by) and the fact that he felt he had to cover up that he was gay because the world wouldnt accept him for who he was, that ultimately drove him to kill. MANY people have messed up lives and dont kill. But what happens if you combined an extraordinarily messed up life, with a extraordinarily bad case of CTE? Point being, it could very well be the CTE that drove him over that edge. Consider the MILLIONS of people who are depressed and dont kill themselves. Then take Junior Seau who was extremely depressed combined with CTE. It drove him to kill. Yes it wasn't another person but if you take the CTE out the equation does Seau still go over that edge?

 

While sitting up on your high horse, you should really think a little deeper about things that you have no experience with before you completely blow it off as a simple excuse.

 

 

[Cripple Creek]

20 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Forreal!

Him and his High school QB having sexual relations, from the QBs mouth. Alot of bombshells dropped here. 

Leaving this alone.

[jrober38]

9 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya I forgot and saw that in last episode. I agree with many on here, that it is no excuse. I think it was one of many factors. Interesting part was his childhood friend saying how he wished he was drafted as far as possible from Connecticut and maybe that's true

 

Something being true doesn't make it an excuse. It's just reality. 

 

If you look up the effects and stages of CTE, Hernandez's brain was so damaged that it would have barely been functioning by the time most of this happened. 

 

Effects of stage 4 CTE include: loss of memory, paranoia, aggression, explosivity, loss of attention and concentration, executive dysfunction, etc. 

 

A lot of the stuff with Hernandez started before hand, but I think it would have been severely compounded by the deterioration of the functionality of his brain. I think the CTE would have made his behaviour and decision making worse given how bad it was. 

[Doc]

Hernandez grew up in the next town over from me. The home of ESPN. 

[123719bwiqrb]

I am not really interested in glorifying murder.  Ugly story I'm sure, but some things don't need to be documented & monetized. 

 

Who is getting this big windfall (Netflix viewing $$$$) for someone else's tragedy?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I didn't pay much attention to Hernandez trial so I was caught off guard with the talk of him being gay. I mean did we really need to know about his sexual life?

Edited January 16, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[RiotAct]

ironic that one of the huge helmet-to-helmet hits on Aaron that they showed was administered by none other than Ray Lewis.

[stevewin]

10 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Halfway through part one and I gotta tell you the high school qb and his dad dont seem that credible to me. 

For some reason I found the high school QB to be one of the most jarring parts of the piece.  He kept re-living his "glory days" thinking he was on the same level as The King in HS - when he appeared to be such a schlub now.   The father almost did come off rehearsed - almost like an actor.

 

The series itself was informative, but don't feel they did much more than mostly piece together clips from others who had already done investigation/stories.   The sudden turn at the end to try to make him a sympathetic figure and potentially absolved of blame I thought was a bit overdone

Edited January 16, 2020 by stevewin

[blitzboy54]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I didn't pay much attention to Hernandez trial so I was caught off guard with the talk of him being gay. I mean did we really need to know about his sexual life?

 

It is a possible if not likely motive for killing Loyed.  It's relevant in this context imo.

[HeHateMe]

11 hours ago, RiotAct said:

gotta admit, that was pretty classy of the Pats* letting fans exchange their Hernandez jerseys once he was arrested.

 

Meh did you see how Bill denied trading him when he asked to be traded to get away from the area and how the organization was basically complicit and got him a hideaway apartment to lay low in?  And the Toradol abuse, etc. 

[Rc2catch]

I watched a different one I think on epix I enjoyed better. It was a lesser production. 
I finished this Netflix one today I didn’t really care for it. Maybe they were just trying to shed light on his life/abuse/cte but it just played as trying to gain sympathy for him. 
He was a pretend gangster like the one guy said. Regardless of CTE or drugs or whatever he wanted to be a thug and live the lifestyle rap music portrays. Most telling part was how he had secret compartments built into his vehicles to hide guns when he could legally own them and carry with no issue. 
Bad crowd and pretending to be a gangster. 
Sad for his kid. Sad for the victims. But it’s a sickening story. 

[aristocrat]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Excuse? Are you arguing against proven science? I can understand when its used anytime a player does any little thing but when its clear mental issues you can't just blow it off. That's very disrespectful to the very people who provide the entertainment playing this game you love to watch.

 

Hernandez had the worst case of CTE the most recognized CTE researcher in the world ever saw. Hernadez murdered 2 people because a drink was spilled on him in the club. He was CLEARLY affected by the disease. I believe it was a combination of CTE, losing his dad in a freak surgical death, terrible relationship with his mom (who he felt betrayed by) and the fact that he felt he had to cover up that he was gay because the world wouldnt accept him for who he was, that ultimately drove him to kill. MANY people have messed up lives and dont kill. But what happens if you combined an extraordinarily messed up life, with a extraordinarily bad case of CTE? Point being, it could very well be the CTE that drove him over that edge. Consider the MILLIONS of people who are depressed and dont kill themselves. Then take Junior Seau who was extremely depressed combined with CTE. It drove him to kill. Yes it wasn't another person but if you take the CTE out the equation does Seau still go over that edge?

 

While sitting up on your high horse, you should really think a little deeper about things that you have no experience with before you completely blow it off as a simple excuse.

 

 

 

cte is not proven science.  there is evidence but it is not certain science. the media is very ahead of the science right now. 

 

hernandez was a gangster. people get shot and killed over that stuff quite often. 

[MJS]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Excuse? Are you arguing against proven science? I can understand when its used anytime a player does any little thing but when its clear mental issues you can't just blow it off. That's very disrespectful to the very people who provide the entertainment playing this game you love to watch.

 

Hernandez had the worst case of CTE the most recognized CTE researcher in the world ever saw. Hernadez murdered 2 people because a drink was spilled on him in the club. He was CLEARLY affected by the disease. I believe it was a combination of CTE, losing his dad in a freak surgical death, terrible relationship with his mom (who he felt betrayed by) and the fact that he felt he had to cover up that he was gay because the world wouldnt accept him for who he was, that ultimately drove him to kill. MANY people have messed up lives and dont kill. But what happens if you combined an extraordinarily messed up life, with a extraordinarily bad case of CTE? Point being, it could very well be the CTE that drove him over that edge. Consider the MILLIONS of people who are depressed and dont kill themselves. Then take Junior Seau who was extremely depressed combined with CTE. It drove him to kill. Yes it wasn't another person but if you take the CTE out the equation does Seau still go over that edge?

 

While sitting up on your high horse, you should really think a little deeper about things that you have no experience with before you completely blow it off as a simple excuse.

 

And how many former players have CTE without murdering people?

 

CTE is used as a catch all excuse. That's a fact. People kill themselves without having CTE, so I don't even know what you are talking about.

 

Is it possible that CTE had an effect? Absolutely, but people automatically go there and use it as an excuse to dismiss the actions of players all the time. THOSE are the people who don't know what they are talking about and need to "think a little deeper".

For instance, people are going to CTE to explain Antonio Brown's antics, fully ignoring all of the issues he had as a child and all throughout his life. His actions are not a new development, he's always had issues. Aaron Hernandez has always had issues as well.

[Bubba Gump]

After watching this, I am 100% convinced AH was well on his way to being a serial killer if he wasn't caught. It was also interesting to see how enlarged the atrial part of his brain was compared to a normal 27 year old. 

[blacklabel]

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The takes in this thread are fascinating.

 

CTE is a clinical diagnosis right? 

 

People hear CTE and assume it’s a accusation that football is to blame.  That’s not necessarily the only or even key contributor. But it is brain damage.

 

second seems like the real debate that underlies the polar views here is;  Was this kid born a sociopath, or did he become sociopathic through a series of events? 
 

The value in chronicling his story after you strip the sensationalism away, is trying to learn how to detect and prevent this stuff, if at all possible, before it’s too late. 
 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, HeHateMe said:

Meh did you see how Bill denied trading him when he asked to be traded to get away from the area and how the organization was basically complicit and got him a hideaway apartment to lay low in?  And the Toradol abuse, etc. 

haha yes I posted that before watching episodes 2 and 3 of the doc, in all fairness.

[MiltonWaddams]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

ironic that one of the huge helmet-to-helmet hits on Aaron that they showed was administered by none other than Ray Lewis.

Are you suggesting that he became a murderer through osmosis?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/15/2020 at 9:19 AM, JerseyBills said:

Even with all the Hernandez specials already done by other companies , I'm 1 episode in and this documentary is absolutely addicting. Covers much much more details and is a must watch imo. 

 

Just go on your Netflix , search Aaron Hernandez to find the documentary ,if it doesn't Pop up on your home screen. Just came out at midnight . 

 

Gotta say , this really made me feel for Hernandez and all parties involved in this tragedy .

 

I can feel for the other parties involved - the families and friends and loved ones of the murdered guys and the ones who were shot.

 

Hernandez had resources and opportunities to change his narrative that few are afforded, and at some point, chose not to.  I think it's sad, but I have no pity or sympathy for him.

 

[Jay_Fixit]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I didn't pay much attention to Hernandez trial so I was caught off guard with the talk of him being gay. I mean did we really need to know about his sexual life?

In documentaries, you find out about stuff.

 

So yes.

[Gugny]

I suppose if I'm just hanging around, I could watch this.

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I didn't pay much attention to Hernandez trial so I was caught off guard with the talk of him being gay. I mean did we really need to know about his sexual life?

I guess it was a big part of the story. The prosecution actually wanted to use his sexuality as motive , that Loyd caught him in the act. But was never used in court

[CLTbills]

18 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So I open this thread and a Netflix notification about it just popped up. Creepy. 

My wife is an avid runner, and just ran the Disney half marathon last weekend. The week before we left for Disney, she was telling me that she was pissed off because these special "compression socks" that she had ordered from a particular company hadn't come in yet. People, when they do Disney runs, dress up in a particular theme, and these were a particular color blue, because she was going to do a "Frozen"/"Olaf" theme.

 

Next morning, on MY Facebook page, an ad popped up for this compression socks company, and it was for THE EXACT SAME PAIR OF SOCKS THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. Same color, everything. 

 

Alexa is about to get tossed in the street.

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

Did CTE cause the Florida shooting when he was in college?

[TheBrownBear]

To anyone who is on the fence, I'd recommend watching it.  I've finished episode 1, and so far it's just a very good documentary, a good cautionary tale, and it spoke to me as a father to two young boys.  It doesn't glorify Hernandez or excuse his behavior in any way.  It just paints a picture of the man and his upbringing, and it's left up to you to draw your own conclusions.  It also takes time to honor Odin Lloyd and his family.

[H2o]

On 1/15/2020 at 10:36 AM, Reed83HOF said:

he is still a pos scumbag

I'm sure he regrets every decision at this moment. 

[TwistofFate]

Im thoroughly convinced his downward spiral was due to many factors, but the main one being CTE. 

 

He had the worst brain ever documented in a person his age.  Stage 3, and his behavior showed ever single sign of major brain damage. 

 

In that documentary he's heard on the phone saying he has the fairytale life he always wanted and it really did nothing for him.  He probably knew there was something not right with him but never thought it was due to major brain damage. 

 

The whole thing is sad as hell for everyone. 

4 hours ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

Did CTE cause the Florida shooting when he was in college?

The brain specialist said the type of damage to his brain was at least 10 years in the making, maybe more. 

 

So it began at minimum, around 17 years old. 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

I suppose if I'm just hanging around, I could watch this.

 

Hey-O!

 

[J-GunJoshAllen17]

6 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Im thoroughly convinced his downward spiral was due to many factors, but the main one being CTE. 

 

He had the worst brain ever documented in a person his age.  Stage 3, and his behavior showed ever single sign of major brain damage. 

 

In that documentary he's heard on the phone saying he has the fairytale life he always wanted and it really did nothing for him.  He probably knew there was something not right with him but never thought it was due to major brain damage. 

 

The whole thing is sad as hell for everyone. 

The brain specialist said the type of damage to his brain was at least 10 years in the making, maybe more. 

 

So it began at minimum, around 17 years old. 

 

I watched the series and I do have sympathy for the environment Hernandez grew up in, but it just seems to me that CTE may only have exasperated his violent tendencies that already existed and he may have gone down this road anyways.  I feel although his father's opinion on homosexuality created a extremely difficult home environment for Aaron, if his father had made it a few more years, Aaron would be alive today.

 

Edit: Meant to say Aaron may be alive today.

Edited January 17, 2020 by J-GunJoshAllen17

[Fan in Chicago]

On 1/15/2020 at 10:19 AM, JerseyBills said:

Even with all the Hernandez specials already done by other companies , I'm 1 episode in and this documentary is absolutely addicting. Covers much much more details and is a must watch imo. 

 

Just go on your Netflix , search Aaron Hernandez to find the documentary ,if it doesn't Pop up on your home screen. Just came out at midnight . 

 

Does the final episode have a dead end or is it a cliff hanger ?

Edited January 16, 2020 by Fan in Chicago

[davefan66]

2 minutes ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said:

I watched the series and I do have sympathy for the environment Hernandez grew up in, but it just seems to me that CTE may only have exasperated his violent tendencies that already existed and he may have gone down this road anyways.  I feel although his father's opinion on homosexuality created a extremely difficult home environment for Aaron, if his father had made it a few more years, Aaron would be alive today.

 

Yes.  His most violent times were after hitting the NFL, could have been because of CTE.  Not sure that was the contributing factor or he was pre-disposed based on his childhood.
 

Interesting question.  How could the repeal of the abatement law change his conviction after it was overturned?  The law was in affect when his conviction was overturned, shouldn’t be able to change it back once the law left the books.

 

Brought perspective to his life for me.  Can’t say I feel he was innocent, but understand what caused/may have caused what he did.

[JerseyBills]

12 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Does the final episode have a dead end or is it a cliff hanger ?

Good question. It really leaves you hanging there at the end

[bbb]

Does he kill any cats?  

[wppete]

Just Finished watching the 1st episode and WOW!