RaoulDuke79 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) I picked Watson, but I'm torn. If it's just X's & O's and strictly numbers its Watson, but there's something about Allen and his will to win, his heart and how he rallies the team that makes it kind of a toss up. Edited January 2, 2020 by RaoulDuke79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I'm happy we have JA...but Watson is currently a better QB..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: Not sure how you can say that he’s a better leader? Allen is a great leader. I’m happy with him, but I think some people make things up because they want it to be so. Watson put a team (albeit very talented team) on his back and won championships in college and makes the playoffs almost every year in the nfl. im not saying Watson IS the better leader. I’m saying that we don’t know if Allen is the better leader. That’s a tough one to quantify considering we’re bills fans and don’t necessarily follow the Texans to the same extent very fair. Hard to quantify but from what we can see on the outside, and what people tell us about them it seems both guys have excellent leadership qualities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Give me Josh Allen and Tre white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 This thread is fantastic. To those who are arguing that Josh is better right now than Watson, stop. He’s really not. And anyone whose around here enough to know me knows that I’m a huge huge Josh supporter. But that’s just a dog that can’t hunt. Subsequently, to those who are arguing that Josh is to Watson what JP Losman is to Aaron Rodgers (or fill in your other comps) you’re also wrong. It’s a clear gap between the two, but it ain’t that big. For those who compare the effect of having a top D vs having one of the most elite WR’s in the game as it relates to a QB’s performance and statistics, stop it. That’s idiotic. Of course Watson benefits greatly from having Nuk. If you doubt that, look at how he plays with Fuller in the game vs. when he’s out. When Fuller is there and the defense can’t elimanate Nuk, Watson and the offense are much better. All that to say, Watson right now is the better choice. I don’t think that will be the case for much longer, and I think Allen looking very good this Saturday while Watson struggles (granted vs very different defenses) will open the eyes of some people going forward. To the OP- well done. Any time you can make a thread leading to people arguing like crazy that ends in both sides looking ridiculous, you’ve done a good job. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Since the first Pats game, where he sucked, Josh Allen has been very consistent. Not brilliant or dominant, but effective, in all the games except the final Jets game which doesn't count. Watson has been wildly inconsistent. I have a theory why, but there's no question that when he's on his game, he's better than this year's Josh Allen. When he's not playing well, he isn't effective. My theory is that the Texans' coaches aren't as good at figuring the opposing defense's strengths and weaknesses, so they don't find the best way to put Watson into the best position to win. Anyway, the Bills did better than anyone else in containing Lamar Jackson, so they should be OK dealing with a really good player who's not quite as good as Jackson. So for this game, against this Bills defense, I think Watson will not be the dominant guy he has been on occasion. For this game, I would taken Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I’m not trying to knock Allen here. Love him going forward. But where on earth are you getting your numbers? watson has 800 more yds passing. A rating 13 pts higher. a better YPA by a full yard comp rate a full 9% better 6 more pass td and 5 more total td. their numbers aren’t even close to being similar. It’s not even really debatable. And more interceptions and more sacks. I notice how you keep those out. fact I would rather have Nuk Hopkins over Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Shocking how many people don't seem to watch anyone but the Bills play football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: This. Loved watson in college and follow him now. Having said that all the guys who think picking allen is a homer move havent watch enough watson. Like I said. Love the guy. Think hes great but he is severely limited where allen isn't. Watson has same limitations as josh with less arm strength. Same limitations? This seems like a stretch considering Josh is a bottom tier QB and Watson is not... Edited January 2, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 If I could have either for a game now, the choice for me is clear, Watson. However, which would I rather have for the rest of their careers? That is very hard to choose. 16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And more interceptions and more sacks. I notice how you keep those out. fact I would rather have Nuk Hopkins over Watson He also kept out number of fumbles- I didnt check, but I believe Josh has more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 What's wrong with being a homer? The question was who do you want on Saturday! Josh Allen will lead us to a win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And more interceptions and more sacks. I notice how you keep those out. fact I would rather have Nuk Hopkins over Watson And do those 2 numbers actually change how inaccurate your statement was? How about we look at total turnovers just like I looked at total td. Both have 13.... so that’s about the only number they are close to being similar. Congrats you finally nailed one. Somebody else earlier in the thread called out how the numbers aren’t even close as well. I love Josh Allen, man. He very well could turn out to be better than watson down the line. But he’s not right now. you saying their stats are similar is extremely inaccurate and uninformed. I have to wonder if you even looked at their stat lines before you said that. It’s scary to me if you actually looked and still came to the conclusion that their numbers were similar Edited January 2, 2020 by Stank_Nasty 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Same limitations? This seems like a stretch considering Josh is a bottom tier QB and Watson is not... He locks onto receivers, makes bad decisions and doesn't throw with the touch that top tier QBs do. He however has DeAndre Hopkins which allows him to get away with some of the issues he has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Watson has a little too much “hold on to the ball too long- itis”. That being said he seems to be more the productive passer over Josh. Just takes too many sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: If I could have either for a game now, the choice for me is clear, Watson. However, which would I rather have for the rest of their careers? That is very hard to choose. He also kept out number of fumbles- I didnt check, but I believe Josh has more. Total to’s for each is 13. That’s the only similarities of note from their numbers this year. Anyone saying their numbers across the board were similar, this year, quite literally must not have even checked any stats at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) Josh Allens arm strength is unmatched by anyone in the history of the NFL and its not even close. It gives Allen the ability to reach distances and at a higher velocity then anything we have ever seen. A longer learning curve goes with the territory. We're just scratching the surface... Edited January 2, 2020 by Figster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Right now I’d take Watson. But that may change in the upcoming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 How bout we wait to answer this question till around 8PM Saturday night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: How bout we wait to answer this question till around 8PM Saturday night? We will be much too busy watching Derrick Henry impregnate the middle of that Pats D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, CommonCents said: We will be much too busy watching Derrick Henry impregnate the middle of that Pats D That game doesn't start till 8:15pm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: He locks onto receivers, makes bad decisions and doesn't throw with the touch that top tier QBs do. He however has DeAndre Hopkins which allows him to get away with some of the issues he has. Ok...let’s start with your first sentence...even if what you say is true, he is a far more efficient passer than Allen at this stage in their development anyway...so your point is moot..that’s like comparing Empire Strikes Back Luke Skywalker to someone who doesn’t use the force- suggesting he can only lift his fighter part way out of the swamp, he loses his temper, and gets his ass kicked by Vader...yeah, but the point is he’s still able to see into the future, telepathically communicate with others, while also able to levitate things with his freaking mind! so while you can criticize him all you want for not being a perfect Jedi at that point in his development, Luke was still way more bad ass than the average person lol... Second sentence...I ain’t even gonna try to front...Hopkins is the truth lol...that being said, coming out of school Watson’s development was already was ahead of Allen’s, and continues to be so at this time...and he is just a more consistent passer on basic and long throws. Edited January 2, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I get that some of you guys are homers but wow. Watson = Allen at this point. There IS NO argument. I love JA. I’m glad he’s out QB. Watson is currently better. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean this is the definition of being a homer. I think Allen has done some good things but Watson might be a top 5 qb right now. He has to carry that team to wins. Watson and our defense would be a SB contender. Can you please explain how he "carries" his teams to wins when either one of his top wide receivers would be a 1 on our team? Doesnt make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: He locks onto receivers, makes bad decisions and doesn't throw with the touch that top tier QBs do. He however has DeAndre Hopkins which allows him to get away with some of the issues he has. He doesn’t throw with touch now. Hmmm interesting 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Can you please explain how he "carries" his teams to wins when either one of his top wide receivers would be a 1 on our team? Doesnt make sense So you’re saying that a QB can’t carry a team based on the fact that the QB has 2 WRs that are better than Brown? (Even though he only has 1 better than brown. Fuller is NOT that). Edited January 2, 2020 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Figster said: Josh Allens arm strength is unmatched by anyone in the history of the NFL and its not even close. It gives Allen the ability to reach distances and at a higher velocity then anything we have ever seen. A longer learning curve goes with the territory. We're just scratching the surface... Okay, but when will that potential be realized? Saturday? Highly unlikely. This question is about one game only, not which player you want for next season even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 ALLEN Allen is a QB you can trust the last series, is maybe the most important virtue in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) Watson. And I don’t think it’s close. Edited January 2, 2020 by Jay_Fixit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) This week? Probably Allen since I doubt Watson knows our playbook. Although, does that mean Allen starts for them? Long term.....I'd definitely take Watson over Allen. He's more of a sure thing at this point. Edited January 2, 2020 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Love Josh but at this point in time it's Watson..easily. With that being said hoping for a Bills win on Saturday. Mahomes, Jackson and Watson seem to really excel in their second year. Josh has not excelled as quickly as the others but he is progressing and getting better and winning while doing so. His 3rd year may be the charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Come on......With Watson as the Bills' QB we'd be thinking Super Bowl. Maybe someday Josh will be better than Watson but right now this should not even be open for debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Right now I’d take Watson but it’s close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I'll take Allen but please give me Watt as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Can we answer this question after the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I love Josh but Deshaun is easily better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I said Watson because of the wording of the poll. I think Watson is ahead of Allen in his development, and is the better QB right now.I don't know that Watson has a lot of untapped upside at this point. I don't know what Allen's untapped upside is, but the odds are that it's significant. The problem is, we won't see much, if any of it, on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Well, it would be weird to have someone else's quarterback leading our team, so I went with Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Opinions? If I pick Watson, do Deandre Hopkins, Will Fuller, and Carlos Hyde come too? I wax Biblical when it comes to Deandre Hopkins. I Covet him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If I pick Watson, do Deandre Hopkins, Will Fuller, and Carlos Hyde come too? I wax Biblical when it comes to Deandre Hopkins. I Covet him. No they do not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: He doesn’t throw with touch now. Hmmm interesting So you’re saying that a QB can’t carry a team based on the fact that the QB has 2 WRs that are better than Brown? (Even though he only has 1 better than brown. Fuller is NOT that). My point is that Watson's offensive weapons are better then Allens.....period 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: Shocking how many people don't seem to watch anyone but the Bills play football. Both the good and the bad on that to be honest.....like nobody but Josh Allen ever throws a bad pass.....or holds the ball to long and takes a sack.......or watch as offensive weapons cant get separation while other teams have more offensive talent....or Well....you get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 At first glance Watson should be considered a better QB, but I've watched him last couple years and just am not impressed at all and his playoff record is not very good either. Even if the Texans win its almost certain they would lose the next week. I'll take my chances with Josh and at the end of a game would take Allen 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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