49ers release K Chase McLaughlin... Update: Claimed by Colts - Bills and Pats placed claim.

[FLFan]

1 minute ago, Kiva said:

Would you rather lose another game because of 6 mill? No!! It’s worth the dead cap to cut him loose. 
 

Chase should have been signed yesterday. 

He needed to go through waivers first.  The Colts claimed him and their priority position was better than the Bills, who also claimed him.  

[Kiva]

2 minutes ago, FLFan said:

He needed to go through waivers first.  The Colts claimed him and their priority position was better than the Bills, who also claimed him.  

Damn!! At least they know Houshka is a major liability. 

[Dopey]

6 hours ago, JM57 said:

 

Not sure where we're getting $2 million from. That's lower than even the base salary of his extension. Original deal was 3 years for 8.85 million. Extension was 2 years for 9 million tacked on. Cap hits were 2.6, 3.0 and 3.25 million on the original deal. 3.25 was ripped up with the extension. New cap hits for 2019-2021 are 5.025, 3.05 and 3.175 million. 

 

At the very least he shouldn't make it to the 2020 roster. They can cut him and save 1.8 million which is twice as much as you have to pay a kid to kick at the same 66% clip that he's been at for the last calendar year

Sounds great but there's a certain Evil Empire that is looking for yet another kicker right now....why would anyone take a practice squad spot when there's a job available on the 53 somewhere

Thanks for the info. That actually helps me make my point even more valid. Which was Beane didn't give Hausch an extension to "boost his confidence". That was a  ridiculous notion at $2 million and even more of a ridiculous notion at the #'s you provided.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Dopey

[Reed83HOF]

28 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do we trust Ian R again?

[Dopey]

14 minutes ago, Kiva said:

Would you rather lose another game because of 6 mill? No!! It’s worth the dead cap to cut him loose. 
 

Chase should have been signed yesterday. 

No wind, no rain. Just missed.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Dopey

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Do we trust Ian R again?

 

For something like this, where he can talk to someone in the NFL office who sees the claims, probably legit

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Do we trust Ian R again?

For the whupping boy narrative here? Sure.

[The Dean]

16 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Is he subject to the waiver wire, or an immediate Free Agent?

 

If on waivers, he’ll be picked up before us or the pasties can get to him.

 

FINALLY somebody gets what's happening. It just shocks me that, at this point in the year, nobody seems to understand the Bills just can't sign any player that's cut. Cap hit has NOTHING to do with it. 

 

And let's get something straight, Hauschka's leg isn't "shot". He's kicking off out of the endzone better than I can remember---so there is still some power there. But something is definately off. I'm thinking this is probably his last year in Buffalo. But for this year. until there is a legit better kicker that is available to sign, he's our guy. Whining they need to get someone else, without offering a name who is available to sign, and is a definite upgrade, is just stupidity.  As far as I can tell, there just isn't anyone better available right now. I'm sure if there was, Beane would be working him out.

[Punching Bag]

The current special teams coach has no experience in kicking;. 

Bills should bring in an ex-player with experience working thru these issues as assistant special teams coach.

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

No wind, no rain. Just missed.

Wow! Hauschka may have missed that FG,  but not that badly. The kid doesn't appear handle pressure well but he is young.

 

I cringe when I see missed 47 yard FGs........

[Rochesterfan]

6 hours ago, Limeaid said:

The current special teams coach has no experience in kicking;. 

Bills should bring in an ex-player with experience working thru these issues as assistant special teams coach.

 

They talked about this on OBL - many kickers have their own kicking coach - like Hauschka.  The special teams coach does not teach kicking or punting - they teach the techniques to block or tackle, but the kicking aspect is usually handled by the player or a specific coach they utilize year around.

 

This is very typical for almost all teams/players because each individual kicker is different and having a unique coach for that process on your team can mess up a guys technique.  It is like trying to switch swing coaches in golf - it can take years to master a new swing and in the mean time you are vulnerable to a lot of misses.

 

The Bills and Hauschka are set up with this as he has access to his kicking coach to make sure his technique is fine.  

[Marv's Neighbor]

On 12/3/2019 at 7:26 PM, Augie said:

 

Should we turn to the poll to decide what to do???

Always trust the EXPERTS!

[JM57]

6 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Wow! Hauschka may have missed that FG,  but not that badly. The kid doesn't appear handle pressure well but he is young.

 

I cringe when I see missed 47 yard FGs........

And yet that was the only kick he missed in his time in San Francisco. And if he can't handle pressure how did he hit a 47 yarder as time expired in regulation to force OT in the first place

[skibum]

You gotta lat least give him a workout. 

 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

On 12/3/2019 at 7:26 PM, Augie said:

 

Should we turn to the poll to decide what to do???

 

Come on, @Augie

Let's do it the right way, and start a poll to see if we should turn to the poll to decide.

[Dopey]

8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Wow! Hauschka may have missed that FG,  but not that badly. The kid doesn't appear handle pressure well but he is young.

 

I cringe when I see missed 47 yard FGs........

I guess it's a moot point now, but there has to be a reason he's on his 5th team this year. Either every team can't wait to sign him or he's just not that good. He missed 15 field goals in 3 seasons in college. I've been saying all along, if we find a better kicker, sign him up. Chase isn't better.

[nucci]

11 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

FINALLY somebody gets what's happening. It just shocks me that, at this point in the year, nobody seems to understand the Bills just can't sign any player that's cut. Cap hit has NOTHING to do with it. 

 

And let's get something straight, Hauschka's leg isn't "shot". He's kicking off out of the endzone better than I can remember---so there is still some power there. But something is definately off. I'm thinking this is probably his last year in Buffalo. But for this year. until there is a legit better kicker that is available to sign, he's our guy. Whining they need to get someone else, without offering a name who is available to sign, and is a definite upgrade, is just stupidity.  As far as I can tell, there just isn't anyone better available right now. I'm sure if there was, Beane would be working him out.

Could his hip be bothering him? Strength is still there but accuracy off

[GG]

4 minutes ago, nucci said:

Could his hip be bothering him? Strength is still there but accuracy off

 

Maybe he'll get cured if he kicks Henry Anderson with his left leg in week 16?

[Augie]

2 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

Come on, @Augie

Let's do it the right way, and start a poll to see if we should turn to the poll to decide.

 

Yeah, when in doubt, choose redundancy!

 

If you're not sure, refer to the guidelines provided by the official Department of Redundancy Department!  

[Augie]

OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. 

 

 

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Edited December 5, 2019 by Augie

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. 

True but that’s the business.  The great thing is he has the power to change everything with a good game.  It’s weird because no one cares about kickers but it could come down to that and the Ravens have the best one in the nfl. 

[May Day 10]

dang.  I like this kid.  

[IgotBILLStopay]

39 minutes ago, Augie said:

OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. 

It does not automatically mean loss of confidence in Hauschka. Part of Beane strategy to keep him away from Pats.

 

That said, no harm in lighting a bit of fire under H$ as well

Edited December 5, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay

[Stenbar]

14 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

FINALLY somebody gets what's happening. It just shocks me that, at this point in the year, nobody seems to understand the Bills just can't sign any player that's cut. Cap hit has NOTHING to do with it. 

 

And let's get something straight, Hauschka's leg isn't "shot". He's kicking off out of the endzone better than I can remember---so there is still some power there. But something is definately off. I'm thinking this is probably his last year in Buffalo. But for this year. until there is a legit better kicker that is available to sign, he's our guy. Whining they need to get someone else, without offering a name who is available to sign, and is a definite upgrade, is just stupidity.  As far as I can tell, there just isn't anyone better available right now. I'm sure if there was, Beane would be working him out.

I have a feeling that the claim was two-fold. One to put Hauschka on notice, second to male sure the Pats did not get him. IMO

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I would love to draft a kicker earlier than round 7

 

 

I think they value a 5-7th round pick as we see so many games coming down to a game winning FG

[Uncle Joe]

5 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

I would love to draft a kicker earlier than round 7

 

 

I think they value a 5-7th round pick as we see so many games coming down to a game winning FG

Roberto Aguayo says hi.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

52 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Roberto Aguayo says hi.

 

I never said round 2

[MiltonWaddams]

54 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Roberto Aguayo says hi.

If we are going to talk early round kickers, Sebastian Janikowski is the archetype. Based on the Aguayo failure, I doubt we see a kicker taken in the first 4 rounds for years.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Geeze... if the Bills would stop all this winning, esp vs NFC opponents (hurting playoff chances to boot) they might have had a shot on the waiver wire at getting a decent kicker.... ?‍♂️ 

Edited December 5, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[dave mcbride]

17 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

If we are going to talk early round kickers, Sebastian Janikowski is the archetype. Based on the Aguayo failure, I doubt we see a kicker taken in the first 4 rounds for years.

SJ's lifetime FG pct was 80.4. He's a bit overrated. The FG pct for Justin Tucker, who wasn't drafted, is 90.6. Gostkowski -- a fourth rounder -- is at 87.4 (and 88.6 pct in the postseason). He was probably worth it; he's 25 for 35 on 50+ yarders. He's the model for drafting a kicker. The Bills have a lot of late round picks, and spending one on a good kicking prospect isn't a bad idea.  That said, so many good kickers - Will Lutz, Robbie Gould -- weren't drafted at all, and a average ones like Mike Nugent (80.9 pct; drafted in the second round) and SeaBass (first rounder) were. It's really a crapshoot.

 

Hauschka is at 85.4, but he's really slipped in the last couple of years (although he is 14 for 16 in kicks under 50 yards this season). Interestingly, he's 95.6 pct in the postseason - 20 for 21. 

Edited December 5, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

14 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

If we are going to talk early round kickers, Sebastian Janikowski is the archetype.

Augie already suggested ‘turning to the poll’ on page 1 of this thread.
*
Oh, ‘poll’.  Not ‘Pole’.  Alexa didn’t read that with the correct inflection.  Carry on.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. 

 

 

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I love it. Sends a clear message to Hauschka and encourages fans that the Bills actually do see the problem.

[mannc]

48 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

SJ's lifetime FG pct was 80.4. He's a bit overrated. The FG pct for Justin Tucker, who wasn't drafted, is 90.6. Gostkowski -- a fourth rounder -- is at 87.4 (and 88.6 pct in the postseason). He was probably worth it; he's 25 for 35 on 50+ yarders. He's the model for drafting a kicker. The Bills have a lot of late round picks, and spending one on a good kicking prospect isn't a bad idea.  That said, so many good kickers - Will Lutz, Robbie Gould -- weren't drafted at all, and a average ones like Mike Nugent (80.9 pct; drafted in the second round) and SeaBass (first rounder) were. It's really a crapshoot.

 

Hauschka is at 85.4, but he's really slipped in the last couple of years (although he is 14 for 16 in kicks under 50 yards this season). Interestingly, he's 95.6 pct in the postseason - 20 for 21. 

Good stuff.  The bolded is an understatement, by the way.  A really good kicker like Gostkowski (as opposed to an average or below average one) is probably the difference in one or two games per year.  How many other positions can you say that about?  The fact that few kickers have been drafted early is not a reflection on the relative value of the position, but rather, as you point out, the fact that it's a huge crapshoot.  There seems to be little correlation between where (or even whether) a kicker is drafted and how well he will perform in the NFL.  It's strange, because you would think that a great college kicker (especially one from a major program who is used to kicking in front of 80,000 people) would almost automatically become a great NFL kicker.  I mean, it's not like they have to adjust to playing against bigger, faster guys, like position players do...      

Edited December 5, 2019 by mannc

[Steve O]

Too bad Dan Carpenter played so well when Hopkins went on IR in 2013. He's been solid for the Redskins  for 5 years now.

[BurpleBull]

Smh. He could've been tucked away on the practice squad; there were signs of Hauschka's decline before that extension.

[london_bills]

22 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I love it. Sends a clear message to Hauschka and encourages fans that the Bills actually do see the problem.

Yeah quite smart. 

[H2o]

Hauschka better be thanking his lucky stars and on top of his game the rest of the year. If not he knows what's coming.

 

[John from Riverside]

Me thinks we will be looking at kickers in the offseason

[GG]

A pretty good outcome for Bills.  Chase isn't a huge improvement over Hauschka. Then they would have had to cut someone to give him a roster spot.  Yet Chase is an improvement over the garbage kicking game in NE.  

 

Win win

[The Dean]

9 minutes ago, GG said:

A pretty good outcome for Bills.  Chase isn't a huge improvement over Hauschka. Then they would have had to cut someone to give him a roster spot.  Yet Chase is an improvement over the garbage kicking game in NE.  

 

Win win

 

Completely agree