FLFan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Kiva said: Would you rather lose another game because of 6 mill? No!! It’s worth the dead cap to cut him loose. Chase should have been signed yesterday. He needed to go through waivers first. The Colts claimed him and their priority position was better than the Bills, who also claimed him. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, FLFan said: He needed to go through waivers first. The Colts claimed him and their priority position was better than the Bills, who also claimed him. Damn!! At least they know Houshka is a major liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, JM57 said: Not sure where we're getting $2 million from. That's lower than even the base salary of his extension. Original deal was 3 years for 8.85 million. Extension was 2 years for 9 million tacked on. Cap hits were 2.6, 3.0 and 3.25 million on the original deal. 3.25 was ripped up with the extension. New cap hits for 2019-2021 are 5.025, 3.05 and 3.175 million. At the very least he shouldn't make it to the 2020 roster. They can cut him and save 1.8 million which is twice as much as you have to pay a kid to kick at the same 66% clip that he's been at for the last calendar year Sounds great but there's a certain Evil Empire that is looking for yet another kicker right now....why would anyone take a practice squad spot when there's a job available on the 53 somewhere Thanks for the info. That actually helps me make my point even more valid. Which was Beane didn't give Hausch an extension to "boost his confidence". That was a ridiculous notion at $2 million and even more of a ridiculous notion at the #'s you provided. Edited December 5, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Do we trust Ian R again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kiva said: Would you rather lose another game because of 6 mill? No!! It’s worth the dead cap to cut him loose. Chase should have been signed yesterday. No wind, no rain. Just missed. Edited December 5, 2019 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Do we trust Ian R again? For something like this, where he can talk to someone in the NFL office who sees the claims, probably legit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Do we trust Ian R again? For the whupping boy narrative here? Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 16 hours ago, davefan66 said: Is he subject to the waiver wire, or an immediate Free Agent? If on waivers, he’ll be picked up before us or the pasties can get to him. FINALLY somebody gets what's happening. It just shocks me that, at this point in the year, nobody seems to understand the Bills just can't sign any player that's cut. Cap hit has NOTHING to do with it. And let's get something straight, Hauschka's leg isn't "shot". He's kicking off out of the endzone better than I can remember---so there is still some power there. But something is definately off. I'm thinking this is probably his last year in Buffalo. But for this year. until there is a legit better kicker that is available to sign, he's our guy. Whining they need to get someone else, without offering a name who is available to sign, and is a definite upgrade, is just stupidity. As far as I can tell, there just isn't anyone better available right now. I'm sure if there was, Beane would be working him out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The current special teams coach has no experience in kicking;. Bills should bring in an ex-player with experience working thru these issues as assistant special teams coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Dopey said: No wind, no rain. Just missed. Wow! Hauschka may have missed that FG, but not that badly. The kid doesn't appear handle pressure well but he is young. I cringe when I see missed 47 yard FGs........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Limeaid said: The current special teams coach has no experience in kicking;. Bills should bring in an ex-player with experience working thru these issues as assistant special teams coach. They talked about this on OBL - many kickers have their own kicking coach - like Hauschka. The special teams coach does not teach kicking or punting - they teach the techniques to block or tackle, but the kicking aspect is usually handled by the player or a specific coach they utilize year around. This is very typical for almost all teams/players because each individual kicker is different and having a unique coach for that process on your team can mess up a guys technique. It is like trying to switch swing coaches in golf - it can take years to master a new swing and in the mean time you are vulnerable to a lot of misses. The Bills and Hauschka are set up with this as he has access to his kicking coach to make sure his technique is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 12/3/2019 at 7:26 PM, Augie said: Should we turn to the poll to decide what to do??? Always trust the EXPERTS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Wow! Hauschka may have missed that FG, but not that badly. The kid doesn't appear handle pressure well but he is young. I cringe when I see missed 47 yard FGs........ And yet that was the only kick he missed in his time in San Francisco. And if he can't handle pressure how did he hit a 47 yarder as time expired in regulation to force OT in the first place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 You gotta lat least give him a workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 12/3/2019 at 7:26 PM, Augie said: Should we turn to the poll to decide what to do??? Come on, @Augie Let's do it the right way, and start a poll to see if we should turn to the poll to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Wow! Hauschka may have missed that FG, but not that badly. The kid doesn't appear handle pressure well but he is young. I cringe when I see missed 47 yard FGs........ I guess it's a moot point now, but there has to be a reason he's on his 5th team this year. Either every team can't wait to sign him or he's just not that good. He missed 15 field goals in 3 seasons in college. I've been saying all along, if we find a better kicker, sign him up. Chase isn't better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 11 hours ago, The Dean said: FINALLY somebody gets what's happening. It just shocks me that, at this point in the year, nobody seems to understand the Bills just can't sign any player that's cut. Cap hit has NOTHING to do with it. And let's get something straight, Hauschka's leg isn't "shot". He's kicking off out of the endzone better than I can remember---so there is still some power there. But something is definately off. I'm thinking this is probably his last year in Buffalo. But for this year. until there is a legit better kicker that is available to sign, he's our guy. Whining they need to get someone else, without offering a name who is available to sign, and is a definite upgrade, is just stupidity. As far as I can tell, there just isn't anyone better available right now. I'm sure if there was, Beane would be working him out. Could his hip be bothering him? Strength is still there but accuracy off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, nucci said: Could his hip be bothering him? Strength is still there but accuracy off Maybe he'll get cured if he kicks Henry Anderson with his left leg in week 16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: Come on, @Augie Let's do it the right way, and start a poll to see if we should turn to the poll to decide. Yeah, when in doubt, choose redundancy! If you're not sure, refer to the guidelines provided by the official Department of Redundancy Department! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. . Edited December 5, 2019 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. True but that’s the business. The great thing is he has the power to change everything with a good game. It’s weird because no one cares about kickers but it could come down to that and the Ravens have the best one in the nfl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 dang. I like this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Augie said: OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. It does not automatically mean loss of confidence in Hauschka. Part of Beane strategy to keep him away from Pats. That said, no harm in lighting a bit of fire under H$ as well Edited December 5, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 14 hours ago, The Dean said: FINALLY somebody gets what's happening. It just shocks me that, at this point in the year, nobody seems to understand the Bills just can't sign any player that's cut. Cap hit has NOTHING to do with it. And let's get something straight, Hauschka's leg isn't "shot". He's kicking off out of the endzone better than I can remember---so there is still some power there. But something is definately off. I'm thinking this is probably his last year in Buffalo. But for this year. until there is a legit better kicker that is available to sign, he's our guy. Whining they need to get someone else, without offering a name who is available to sign, and is a definite upgrade, is just stupidity. As far as I can tell, there just isn't anyone better available right now. I'm sure if there was, Beane would be working him out. I have a feeling that the claim was two-fold. One to put Hauschka on notice, second to male sure the Pats did not get him. IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I would love to draft a kicker earlier than round 7 I think they value a 5-7th round pick as we see so many games coming down to a game winning FG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I would love to draft a kicker earlier than round 7 I think they value a 5-7th round pick as we see so many games coming down to a game winning FG Roberto Aguayo says hi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 52 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: Roberto Aguayo says hi. I never said round 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 54 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: Roberto Aguayo says hi. If we are going to talk early round kickers, Sebastian Janikowski is the archetype. Based on the Aguayo failure, I doubt we see a kicker taken in the first 4 rounds for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Geeze... if the Bills would stop all this winning, esp vs NFC opponents (hurting playoff chances to boot) they might have had a shot on the waiver wire at getting a decent kicker.... ?♂️ Edited December 5, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: If we are going to talk early round kickers, Sebastian Janikowski is the archetype. Based on the Aguayo failure, I doubt we see a kicker taken in the first 4 rounds for years. SJ's lifetime FG pct was 80.4. He's a bit overrated. The FG pct for Justin Tucker, who wasn't drafted, is 90.6. Gostkowski -- a fourth rounder -- is at 87.4 (and 88.6 pct in the postseason). He was probably worth it; he's 25 for 35 on 50+ yarders. He's the model for drafting a kicker. The Bills have a lot of late round picks, and spending one on a good kicking prospect isn't a bad idea. That said, so many good kickers - Will Lutz, Robbie Gould -- weren't drafted at all, and a average ones like Mike Nugent (80.9 pct; drafted in the second round) and SeaBass (first rounder) were. It's really a crapshoot. Hauschka is at 85.4, but he's really slipped in the last couple of years (although he is 14 for 16 in kicks under 50 yards this season). Interestingly, he's 95.6 pct in the postseason - 20 for 21. Edited December 5, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: If we are going to talk early round kickers, Sebastian Janikowski is the archetype. Augie already suggested ‘turning to the poll’ on page 1 of this thread. * Oh, ‘poll’. Not ‘Pole’. Alexa didn’t read that with the correct inflection. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Augie said: OUCH! Must be less than a heart warming vote of confidence to know your employer filed a claim to replace you! That’s life in the Big Leagues. . I love it. Sends a clear message to Hauschka and encourages fans that the Bills actually do see the problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: SJ's lifetime FG pct was 80.4. He's a bit overrated. The FG pct for Justin Tucker, who wasn't drafted, is 90.6. Gostkowski -- a fourth rounder -- is at 87.4 (and 88.6 pct in the postseason). He was probably worth it; he's 25 for 35 on 50+ yarders. He's the model for drafting a kicker. The Bills have a lot of late round picks, and spending one on a good kicking prospect isn't a bad idea. That said, so many good kickers - Will Lutz, Robbie Gould -- weren't drafted at all, and a average ones like Mike Nugent (80.9 pct; drafted in the second round) and SeaBass (first rounder) were. It's really a crapshoot. Hauschka is at 85.4, but he's really slipped in the last couple of years (although he is 14 for 16 in kicks under 50 yards this season). Interestingly, he's 95.6 pct in the postseason - 20 for 21. Good stuff. The bolded is an understatement, by the way. A really good kicker like Gostkowski (as opposed to an average or below average one) is probably the difference in one or two games per year. How many other positions can you say that about? The fact that few kickers have been drafted early is not a reflection on the relative value of the position, but rather, as you point out, the fact that it's a huge crapshoot. There seems to be little correlation between where (or even whether) a kicker is drafted and how well he will perform in the NFL. It's strange, because you would think that a great college kicker (especially one from a major program who is used to kicking in front of 80,000 people) would almost automatically become a great NFL kicker. I mean, it's not like they have to adjust to playing against bigger, faster guys, like position players do... Edited December 5, 2019 by mannc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Too bad Dan Carpenter played so well when Hopkins went on IR in 2013. He's been solid for the Redskins for 5 years now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Smh. He could've been tucked away on the practice squad; there were signs of Hauschka's decline before that extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I love it. Sends a clear message to Hauschka and encourages fans that the Bills actually do see the problem. Yeah quite smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Hauschka better be thanking his lucky stars and on top of his game the rest of the year. If not he knows what's coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Me thinks we will be looking at kickers in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 A pretty good outcome for Bills. Chase isn't a huge improvement over Hauschka. Then they would have had to cut someone to give him a roster spot. Yet Chase is an improvement over the garbage kicking game in NE. Win win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, GG said: A pretty good outcome for Bills. Chase isn't a huge improvement over Hauschka. Then they would have had to cut someone to give him a roster spot. Yet Chase is an improvement over the garbage kicking game in NE. Win win Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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