Wayne Cubed Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 If Josh hits a WIDE OPEN McKenzie, is this game even close? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Wow, I thought Allen looked decent today. Just has to figure out those deep throws, and I think it’s mostly a confidence issue. Once he hits on one deep throw, he’ll get his confidence back and start hitting on more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, london_bills said: He wasnt good enough to win it for us. He couldn't hit passes and make consistently good decisions. The defence stopped them several times and is ranked top 3 in the league. Its not on them. I don't discount Daboll completely but for me Allen makes Daboll look worse by being so consistently inconsistent. The half that I saw Allen was playing very well and had several plays where you could tell the route combinations were immediately known by the Defense, and the offensive line was completely beat on the jump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Ray Finkel said: Many running backs get stronger as the game goes on with more touches. Ur right. Guess we dont know how he'll respond because he doesn't get the carries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, dubs said: IMO this game was entirely on Allen. He’s been given numerous chances to hit the deep throw and he hasn’t hit a single one yet. Just hit one and the bills win the game. He can’t even get it within the zip code of his intended target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Socal-805 said: Josh Allen simply sucks, I think many NFL ppl knew this at draft time, except ofc the Bills FO. But tbh, what to you expect from McDermott, he's a big hands QB, play not to lose kind of coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Bills Defense Choked. Bills Special Teams Choked. Bills Offense was usual below average performance. Bills Coaching was usual below average offensively and mediocre defensively. This is not a playoff team. Edited November 10, 2019 by FUTURIST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Does anyone have any rational examples of how this loss is in anyway the fault of Allen?... Hit the deep ball to a wide open McKenzie for a TD and it's not a part of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Does anyone have any rational examples of how this loss is in anyway the fault of Allen?... He needs to improve but he was like #8 on reasons we lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Happy Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Baltimore D is not that good, the Pats has them on the ropes with the no huddle. I will be excited see how the Bills D handles the College style O they run with one of if not the most athletic QBs in Jackson. Baltimore's D is good enough, and has been getting better each week. The Bills will get destroyed by Baltimore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: The offensive play calling was mixed, the kicker missed two FGs one he simply has to make..... But the Quarterback has to play better. And it comes down to that to me. That is a game that we lose in an almost identical way with Tyrod, or Fitz or Trent. Josh was supposed to elevate us beyond that and when he has been asked to that this year he hasn't been able to get it done. He has to get better. For the first time I genuinely believe that the clock is now ticking. Might it have something to do with Ken Dorsey? What are they teaching him to do? Josh doesn’t look anything like he did last year at this time. Some for the better and some for the worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, IronyAbounds said: You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who pins the blame solely on Allen. He's part of the problem, but not the only one. I agree with you 100%. But scroll through here and note the "this loss is on Allen" comments. That's all I'm referring too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: C'mon now, Josh is easily top-3 among NFL quarterbacks named Allen. Yup. There are 2. He is 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 let Duke play and see what he can do, what we got now isn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, BillsInWilmingtonNC said: Wow, I thought Allen looked decent today. Just has to figure out those deep throws, and I think it’s mostly a confidence issue. Once he hits on one deep throw, he’ll get his confidence back and start hitting on more. It's like someone told him either our guy or nothing, dont be short into coverage. Hes gone three games without a pic now. That's something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Does anyone have any rational examples of how this loss is in anyway the fault of Allen?... He didn't play great, but I am not putting this loss on him whatsoever. But, does he hold any responsibility for that last shytstain of a 3rd down sequence? That is my biggest gripe for this loss, the lack of urgency on that final fatal 3rd down sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Give it up. Play calling was absolutely not the problem. Those plays were there to be had. Wake the ***** up. 52% completion percentage was the problem. Overthrows, under throws, bad throws, thays the problem. Dont blame the OC for calling the perfect play your Qb cant execute. So sick of your excuses. Allen just isnt good enough. Face it. Own it. Devise a plan to FIX IT. You're such an Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Helpmenow said: The o doesn’t score enough and the D does not come up with takeaways In order to create takeaways you really need to have a strong pass rush to force mistakes by the QB. And the Bills do not. That needs to be addressed in the offseason. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chill said: Josh may be salvageable if we make a change at OC fast. Dabs have ruined him almost to the point of no return. Daboll/Mcd and Beane could be salvageable if we make a change at QB. It's not going to happen right now but I am worried this is setting us back again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said: Wow, I thought Allen looked decent today. Just has to figure out those deep throws, and I think it’s mostly a confidence issue. Once he hits on one deep throw, he’ll get his confidence back and start hitting on more. I was happy w/ his play overall, also. I find the over-the-top criticism of him to be irrational - he deserves some blame, but he's actually progressing fairly well for a 2nd year guy. Not sure what people expect at this point of his career. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Conlan58 said: Hit the deep ball to a wide open McKenzie for a TD and it's not a part of the discussion. If a QB missing one low percentage pass is why he's being blamed for the loss, the fanbase doing the blaming has mental health issues... which makes sense given the context. Just now, SCBills said: He needs to improve but he was like #8 on reasons we lost. This seems like a fine statement. He outplayed Baker from the 10 minute mark of the 3rd forward from what I saw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Oh sorry, my mistake, we will lose to the Fins then the Broncos at home, Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyDogLuvsPB Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: We had at least 2 chances for Hauschka to win this game and he failed. LOL why are a bunch of you content with scoring FG's? That doesn't win you games or take you to the playoffs. The O has to put up TD's in the red zone and not just settle. The only good thing was we were like 75% efficiency in this regard but we couldn't convert this week. That is what happens when you rely on kickers to get you wins. We were not able to embarrass a very bad Browns' defense. The joke is on Daboll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Chris66 said: Yup. There are 2. He is 3rd. Why do you troll here? Please go away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Baltimore's D is good enough, and has been getting better each week. The Bills will get destroyed by Baltimore. Keep the faith my friend! Any given Sunday! I mean who expected the chiefs to lose to Tannahill and the Titans! (And Mahomes had a killer game I think over 409 yards and 3 TDS?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, mattynh said: 8 carries for singletary Booo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: Give it up. Play calling was absolutely not the problem. Those plays were there to be had. Wake the ***** up. 52% completion percentage was the problem. Overthrows, under throws, bad throws, thays the problem. Dont blame the OC for calling the perfect play your Qb cant execute. So sick of your excuses. Allen just isnt good enough. Face it. Own it. Devise a plan to FIX IT. Play calling is not the problem? So on 3rd and 3, it is smart play calling to dial up a 30 yard pass, even though Josh's completion percentage of 20+ is like 10%? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 lets face it---we woulda been extremely lucky to win if we had managed to pull this out. fumble to the one yard line??? come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: He didn't play great, but I am not putting this loss on him whatsoever. But, does he hold any responsibility for that last shytstain of a 3rd down sequence? That is my biggest gripe for this loss, the lack of urgency on that final fatal 3rd down sequence. Good question... That last drive was a mess once it was past the 40 and it wasn't Joshes fault as far as I could see. If they had let him play he'd have either scored a TD, or gotten us closer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Well huas money was the reason we lost. Not the run defense, Levi Wallace or the inability to score more than 16 points? Maybe Allen was usual Allen the first half? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said: Wow, I thought Allen looked decent today. Just has to figure out those deep throws, and I think it’s mostly a confidence issue. Once he hits on one deep throw, he’ll get his confidence back and start hitting on more. Those. And easily 3 drops. Allen wasn't great but he was fine. He, like Goff, Dak, and others needs more than just 1 weapon. And an OC that can find out how to exploit the other teams weaknesses which I'm not sure he has all year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: If Josh hits a WIDE OPEN McKenzie, is this game even close? Easy to say he was open but factor it that he might have been the third or fourth option and the pass rush forces the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Yep. You are not winning in the NFL with this McDermott logic of winning with Defense and playing it safe on offense. McDermott is a dinosaur. Edited November 10, 2019 by FUTURIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 ...Daboll is not the problem.....may I say Daboll> Marchibroda + Coryell......his resume' laden one year stops as OC were obviously managerial misfits letting " a good one get away"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 food for thought: we are still a half game ahead of the Chiefs. Yeah, I know they were without Mahomes for a couple weeks, but still.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: If a QB missing one low percentage pass is why he's being blamed for the loss, the fanbase doing the blaming has mental health issues... which makes sense given the context. Lol... "missing one". Next one he hits will be his first, so I'm not sure how you can justify that take, but to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Play calling is not the problem? So on 3rd and 3, it is smart play calling to dial up a 30 yard pass, even though Josh's completion percentage of 20+ is like 10%? That ONE play alone is worth its own thread.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 This game is on Allen. Not entirely of course, but by in large. At what point to do we start asking more of our QB than to not lose. That’s what’s frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: Play calling is not the problem? So on 3rd and 3, it is smart play calling to dial up a 30 yard pass, even though Josh's completion percentage of 20+ is like 10%? good point. but at some point you have to trust/teach/give up on??? JA to see if he will ever learn to throw a deep pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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