Adamb412 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Sorry but when they give up 200+ yards on the ground, they are to blame just as much as the offense. Score in the 20's? Guess what, the Eagles scored 31. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 You're both wrong and right. The defense was bad yesterday and the offense needs to be better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Defense was bad yesterday. Good most of the year. Offense was bad yesterday. Bad most of the year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 everyone was bad yesterday, but yes, the offense has to become way more part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 D collapsed in the 2nd half, creating a massive blowout at home. No excuses for them at all. They had multiple 3rd and xx on the 10-minute drive, and they let the Iggles convert every single one of them. It WAS the defense's fault. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The entire team played poorly yesterday 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamb412 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Luka said: Sorry but when they give up 200+ yards on the ground, they are to blame just as much as the offense. Score in the 20's? Guess what, the Eagles scored 31. Defense more responsible for the 5 wins than the offense 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Adamb412 said: This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently I agree. The Bills were down 24-13. Had the ball in great field position..they had the ball for THREE straight possessions.. and the pop gun offense managed like 20 total yards on those 3 possessions. Hideous offense. You need the offense to come through for one game and bail out the defense and they failed miserably. I won't let the D off the hook.. but alot of the 200 yards rushing was to kill the clock after the offense could do nothing to make it a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Offense needs to be better, obviously. We are halfway through the offensive rebuild. Still need, and assuredly have plans, to bring in some more pieces in the offseason. The Defense is supposed to be our strength, with a ton of assets devoted to that side. In a game with abnormally high winds, and messy conditions, you expect to be able to lean on your defense. You don't expect them to get completely annihilated by the opponents ground game for an entire half like a JV squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Yeah that brutal possession after the fumbled punt return by the eagles the door was open for a second and the offense really looked bad from that possession on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This is the type of D that could really shine if they could some how have the luxury of playing with a lead. Unfortunately they hardly ever get that advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, Adamb412 said: This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently Bad defense and bad offense. Special teams not great either. Plenty of blame for everyone. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Adamb412 said: This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently Let's review. First half: At two minutes before the half, the score is 7-3 Bills. Both the offense and defense are playing decently. Neither offense is managing to be explosive. Allen fumbles (I hate the play call, but it is on him) giving the Eagles short-field and a TD/2 point conversion. That's bad on the O. Roberts on ST and Allen (pass and run) then make the most of the 25 seconds left to bring the Bills to the Philly 35, within long FG range for a windy day. That's good on the O, but the 53-yarder isn't "money" on a windy day. First half, one fumble from a 7-3 lead, one missed FG from trailing 11-10 at the half, score is 11-7 Does that stink? Second half: Eagles explode for a TD on the 1st drive, miss the XP. 17-7 Bills answer back for a TD on the next drive, have the XP blocked (ST miscue) 17-13 Does that stink? Instead of getting a stop, our D then lets their O complete 2 long passes and racks up a defensive Offside. TD 24-13. That ain't complementary football, and that's not on the O either. OK, we had a 3-and-out followed by a ST miscue we failed to exploit. TOD with some very weird play calling (2 successful runs followed by 4 pass attempts - WTF?) Then the D, instead of growing a spine, allowed an 8:17 drive that kept the O off the field into the 4Q. 31-13, that's the ballgame. There is clearly plenty of blame to go around. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Let's review. First half: At two minutes before the half, the score is 7-3 Bills. Both the offense and defense are playing decently. Neither offense is managing to be explosive. Allen fumbles (I hate the play call, but it is on him) giving the Eagles short-field and a TD/2 point conversion. That's bad on the O. Roberts on ST and Allen (pass and run) then make the most of the 25 seconds left to bring the Bills to the Philly 35, within long FG range for a windy day. That's good on the O, but the 53-yarder isn't "money" on a windy day. First half, one fumble from a 7-3 lead, one missed FG from trailing 11-10 at the half, score is 11-7 Does that stink? Second half: Eagles explode for a TD on the 1st drive, miss the XP. 17-7 Bills answer back for a TD on the next drive, have the XP blocked (ST miscue) 17-13 Does that stink? Instead of getting a stop, our D then lets their O complete 2 long passes and racks up a defensive Offside. That ain't complementary football, and that's not on the O either. OK, we had a 3-and-out followed by a ST miscue we failed to exploit. TOD with some very weird play calling (2 successful runs followed by 4 pass attempts - WTF?) Then the D, instead of growing a spine, allowed an 8:17 drive that kept the O off the field into the 4Q. The game didn't get out of hand until that point. There is clearly plenty of blame to go around. Yeah, that's pretty much how it went down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 58 minutes ago, teef said: everyone was bad yesterday, but yes, the offense has to become way more part of the game. Corey B was actually pretty good yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I respectfully disagree about this being mostly on the offense and don't think we need to can McDermott or Daboll. I put most blame on the defense, while also realizing that Allen/Daboll made a critical mistake before the end of the 1st half... Our defense, coaches included need to find a way to better stop the run. They let the offense move down the field way too easily in the second half. I think it is important to realize that we are still in a rebuild though and that our front four needs some serious improvements made to it. Ed Oliver needs to put on more muscle/weight, Jordan Phillips is the only other DL worth his money right now. Hughes is a liability against the run and has lost some of his sack potential, Star is mediocre, Lawson is not starter material, and Trent Murphy is mediocre at best. The most disappointing part of all of this is that we have found a flaw that is not disappearing this season, we can only hope that with draft capital/FA signings that we can correct this area in the offseason. And Levi Wallace has been getting picked on too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Adamb412 said: This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently yes it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Adamb412 said: This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently Sorry you give up 218 to a Team that cant Run the ball. Yeah that defense is a major part to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Any time the defense gives up over 200 yards rushing on basically the same 3 plays over and over and over, then it's their fault. End of story in my mind. If I recall correctly, even the 85 bears had a bad game or two. Doesn't mean the D is bad, but they definitely had a bad game. Edited October 28, 2019 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suorangefan4 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The offense at least has the excuse that the winds were absolutely terrible. Huge winds are always going to limit an offense's abilities. The defense has been really good most games but they have really struggled the last couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 D yielded three straight TOUCHDOWN drives in the middle of the game under horrible weather conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Everyone was bad yesterday except the punter. -Offense was bad -coaching was poor -Defense couldn’t stop the run, and gave up a huge TD run after Milano and Edmunds were destroyed at Point of attack -o line was dominated - d-line was stood up repeatedly and got no edge rush. -Allen was bad -Even the home crowd was overrun with iggies fans. Every time the birdies scored they had no problem finding large pockets of fans to celebrate with. It it was just a bad game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Another country heard from: I agree with @john wawrow on this. The O did its job: got a touch, brought us within 1 score, gave the D a chance to regroup from the Blitzkreig of that 65 yd run on the Eagles opening drive. The D needed to step up and answer. Instead they gave up 2 more TDs, one on a brutally long clock-eating drive. Did the O need to do something more, sure, but it's simply not all on their side of the ball much less all Allen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Obviously the offense has to be much better than they are now. However the D got torched by a iggles o-line, and the entire team in general, riddled with injuries. That 8 minute TD drive that was mostly runs up the gut that basically sealed the game shouldn't happen to a "elite" defense in that situation, particularly when playing a backup o-line. Edited October 28, 2019 by CodeMonkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1. There were problems on offense yesterday from not getting yardage on 1st down. 2, BuffaloDefense had a few 2nd and 15+ and 3rd and 6+ to stop the eagles and fforce a punt and failed. It came down to a few plays 1. the late 1st half turnover...had Buffalo been able to go down the field and get a FG its 10-3 lead 2. The Big run play for a 65 yd TD by the eagles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Adamb412 said: This offense needs to show some life some style points. I don't know if it's allen or dabol but this offense stinks it's needs to be able to score in the 20s consistently Nah that was a total team failure yesterday. I can agree that we can’t realistically expect the defense to hold opponents to less than 20 points every week. The offense has to consistently score more points to keep us in most games going forward. But the defense deserves an equal amount of blame for yesterday. If they can’t shore up the run defense their problems will continue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 228 yards rushing .... The Defense has plenty to be blamed for in the aberration !!! Their weekly average of rushing yards allowed was under 100 yds The made 3 or 4 incorrect breaks on the ball allowing HUGE first downs I hope this was just a fluke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Here we go again..... The Bills need only worry about Defense as they are elite & when torched, it is the Offenses fault. Forget 14-10 games, we want 3-0 games as that is McClappity's persona. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Bills offense performed on average almost exactly as it has performed under Coach McDermott since 2017. Not sure why suddenly everyone is jumping on them now. Two touchdowns and one field is the McDermott Offense Average through 2.5 seasons. that is nearly what buffalo did yesterday. nobody seemed to worry before yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This was a team loss. Both sides of the ball were not good enough. Only special teams showed up (not including the kicking game, but can't blame that too much given the wind and rain). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We lost on both sides of the trenches and neither could get a stop or sustain a drive when they needed to. It was a through asswhoopin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Plenty of blame for all 3 phases plus coaching. 2 weeks in a row brutal football 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: Plenty of blame for all 3 phases plus coaching. 2 weeks in a row brutal football I'd say 7 weeks!!!! The Bills refuse to play entertaining offensive football..... And sometimes the Defense rises to the occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I'd say 7 weeks!!!! The Bills refuse to play entertaining offensive football..... And sometimes the Defense rises to the occasion. We certainly haven’t even put 3 full quarters of football together let alone 4. Send Dabolls butt up in the booth and have Dorsey/Barkley with Allen. Edited October 28, 2019 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said: Obviously the offense has to be much better than they are now. However the D got torched by a iggles o-line, and the entire team in general, riddled with injuries. That 8 minute TD drive that was mostly runs up the gut that basically sealed the game shouldn't happen to a "elite" defense in that situation, particularly when playing a backup o-line. Problem is this defense isnt elite in the least..they are decent but frazier is not a smash mouth defense that dictates what the offense does...instead he plays the "safe" cover two approach who is absolutely smashed against power olines and decent qbs...we only beat up on weak teams for the most part save a game here or there every season....frazier is not as good as he fooled 90% of the fan base into believing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Our coaches should be the ones getting the blame...frazier sat on the sidelines with his expressionless zombie stare as he kept calling the same defense over and over with the same results (where is his ability to make in game adjustments?)..and dabols genuis mind told himself our best way to win was use allen as a short yardage back,abandon the run and go pass happy with a 2nd year qb with 45+ mph winds...like wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Billever76 said: Problem is this defense isnt elite in the least..they are decent but frazier is not a smash mouth defense that dictates what the offense does...instead he plays the "safe" cover two approach who is absolutely smashed against power olines and decent qbs...we only beat up on weak teams for the most part save a game here or there every season....frazier is not as good as he fooled 90% of the fan base into believing This fan base is pretty gullible...... Look what they did vs. the Jets, Titans, Cincy, Giants.... Yes they played great vs. NE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 This was a total team loss. Josh Allen played poorly. Both offensive and defensive lines were physically overmatched. Receivers (from what I could see on TV) weren't getting open. There were pre-snap penalties, poor tackling, and sloppy play all around, both offense and defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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