Phil The Thrill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Came across this link on a Facebook group and found many Bills fans clamoring for the Bills to make a trade for OJ Howard. It doesn’t mention the Bills as a contender, but with most players on the trade block, fans were like “make this move Beane” https://www.12up.com/posts/rumors-indicate-oj-howard-could-be-dealt-from-bucs-in-potential-trade-01dq1k6mwnq5 I would love to see OJ Howard on the Bills and think he has a ton of potential and I loved him in college. I still believe he could be a Pro Bowl caliber player and I’m not sure why he’s done so little in TB. With that being said, I don’t really see the Bills making this trade. They seem to be good to be Knox starting and should have Croft again soon. Plus Lee Smith is their blocker. The bigger concern is what Evan Silva proposed - New England trading two 3rd round picks to TB for OJ. Right now the Patriots have nothing at TE. I don’t want to see Howard join that offense and give Brady a legit receiving Target at TE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) We don't have enough roster space for all the rumored players Edited October 13, 2019 by HOUSE 1 27 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I wasn't quite as high on Howard as the consensus coming out. I had him as a borderline 1st rather than the consensus first round possible top 10 sort of chatter at the time. My worry was production. And it still is. He is hugely gifted physically, he can catch, run routes, he could block - even if I wouldn't say his blocking was best trait. But for whatever reason his production was only okay and didn't match the obvious talent. The response at the time was "oh well Alabama doesn't use the TE position that much" but if you have a freak talent at a position you use him, surely? Similarly in Tampa the numbers are okay but don't wow you. I thought he was having himself a year last year before injury but you are still left waiting for the moment when he puts it all together and delivers on the undoubted potential. Maybe a change of scenery works for him the way it has worked for Eric Ebron (who I don't quite think was as talented as Howard but was in a similar spot prior to his signing with Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I would love OJ. He is young and has had poor coaching till this year. TE take a while to develop. I would trade Tyler Kroft and a 3rd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Ok, so is Howard actually “in the block,” i.e., being actively shopped by Tampa, or is this just the musings of some unnamed scouts? Because it seems like the latter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 He’s not on the block. I don’t see why Tampa would trade him; he certainly isn’t producing and hasn’t played well overall, but it would be foolish to trade a TE like Howard when Arians needs Winston to feel as comfortable as possible and have options beyond Godwin/Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: Came across this link on a Facebook group and found many Bills fans clamoring for the Bills to make a trade for OJ Howard. It doesn’t mention the Bills as a contender, but with most players on the trade block, fans were like “make this move Beane” https://www.12up.com/posts/rumors-indicate-oj-howard-could-be-dealt-from-bucs-in-potential-trade-01dq1k6mwnq5 I would love to see OJ Howard on the Bills and think he has a ton of potential and I loved him in college. I still believe he could be a Pro Bowl caliber player and I’m not sure why he’s done so little in TB. With that being said, I don’t really see the Bills making this trade. They seem to be good to be Knox starting and should have Croft again soon. Plus Lee Smith is their blocker. The bigger concern is what Evan Silva proposed - New England trading two 3rd round picks to TB for OJ. Right now the Patriots have nothing at TE. I don’t want to see Howard join that offense and give Brady a legit receiving Target at TE. He’s done so little in Tampa because Winston is a horrible quarterback. They like to use Brate in the red zone and have seriously messed up not getting Howard involved in the offense. That said why would they even consider trading him right now? His value is at its lowest, he’s on a rookie deal, wouldn’t make any sense to trade him unless they were getting a prime time player like Melvin Gordon or something similar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 some teams just dont use tight ends but watch him go to the pats and be an all pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) So far, pseudo Bills GM lunkheads in here deemed attaining the following as must get.: A.J. Green Stephon Diggs Trent Williams Von Miller O.J. Howard Jay Agayi Edited October 13, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan inappropriate behavior 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: So far, pseudo Bills GM lunkheads in here deemed attaining the following as must do: A.J. Green Stephon Diggs Trent Williams Von Miller O.J. Howard Jay Agayi The OP was super rational in his take on OJ Howard. Seems like a weird place to put this post of yours. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: So far, pseudo Bills GM lunkheads in here deemed attaining the following as must do: A.J. Green Stephon Diggs Trent Williams Von Miller O.J. Howard Jay Agayi You forgot Melvin Gordon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Austin Hooper too. I’d take either or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: The OP was super rational in his take on OJ Howard. Seems like a weird place to put this post of you Super rational.....I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I wasn't quite as high on Howard as the consensus coming out. I had him as a borderline 1st rather than the consensus first round possible top 10 sort of chatter at the time. My worry was production. And it still is. He is hugely gifted physically, he can catch, run routes, he could block - even if I wouldn't say his blocking was best trait. But for whatever reason his production was only okay and didn't match the obvious talent. The response at the time was "oh well Alabama doesn't use the TE position that much" but if you have a freak talent at a position you use him, surely? Similarly in Tampa the numbers are okay but don't wow you. I thought he was having himself a year last year before injury but you are still left waiting for the moment when he puts it all together and delivers on the undoubted potential. Maybe a change of scenery works for him the way it has worked for Eric Ebron (who I don't quite think was as talented as Howard but was in a similar spot prior to his signing with Indy. Ebron is the perfect comparison. Every time I see Ebron play, I am puzzled at how he is so mediocre. I remember a lot of people on this board were clamoring for him to be our pick that year (instead we traded up for Watkins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Came across this link on a Facebook group and found many Bills fans clamoring for the Bills to make a trade for OJ Howard. It doesn’t mention the Bills as a contender, but with most players on the trade block, fans were like “make this move Beane” https://www.12up.com/posts/rumors-indicate-oj-howard-could-be-dealt-from-bucs-in-potential-trade-01dq1k6mwnq5 I would love to see OJ Howard on the Bills and think he has a ton of potential and I loved him in college. I still believe he could be a Pro Bowl caliber player and I’m not sure why he’s done so little in TB. With that being said, I don’t really see the Bills making this trade. They seem to be good to be Knox starting and should have Croft again soon. Plus Lee Smith is their blocker. The bigger concern is what Evan Silva proposed - New England trading two 3rd round picks to TB for OJ. Right now the Patriots have nothing at TE. I don’t want to see Howard join that offense and give Brady a legit receiving Target at TE. Lets trade for everybody and sign all free agents then maybe these stupid threads will stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsOrDie Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, freester said: I would love OJ. He is young and has had poor coaching till this year. TE take a while to develop. I would trade Tyler Kroft and a 3rd for him. Oh no....... that would be a huge mistake . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I’m good with what we have. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: some teams just dont use tight ends but watch him go to the pats and be an all pro The Pats are looking to trade for a star WR or TE. There was an article in Yardbarker that I read last night. Whoever does make a trade with them (and we know someone will) it better be for a lot. I hate it when they are able to get star players for a 4th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 We had our OJ already, gave me acid reflux. I'm good with Hard Knox. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: We don't have enough roster space for all these rumored players Well played. Well played. Seriously: Every time a trade is proposed, I think the proposer should suggest what player we cut to make room, and why. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Don't want or need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: some teams just dont use tight ends but watch him go to the pats and be an all pro Seems like arians doesn’t use TEs I don’t remember much from colts or Arizona’s TEs when he was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Where is this trade block that always gets mentioned? In the nfl you could probably get any non qb for a 1st rounder at anytime. Teams over value draft picks so much it’s sickening. There are like 5 players in the whole league that you couldn’t get for a first and change. Let’s just be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Arians isn’t letting Howard go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Seems like arians doesn’t use TEs I don’t remember much from colts or Arizona’s TEs when he was there I’m not so sure. He used Heath Miller effectively in Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, SCBills said: The OP was super rational in his take on OJ Howard. Seems like a weird place to put this post of yours. Not to me. All these trade threads are ridiculous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: We had our OJ already, gave me acid reflux. I'm good with Hard Knox. Hard Knox, I love it! But he needs to catch and hang on to the ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Not to me. All these trade threads are ridiculous. The poster just mentioned the rumor. Didn’t pound the table for us to trade for him. What would you like us to talk about during the bye week? We finally have some football today so I’m sure you’ll get your reprieve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Hard Knox, I love it! But he needs to catch and hang on to the ball. gonna be real interesting to see how much rope some posters around here give knox if he keeps up with the consistent drops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Looked good on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Bama guy....Foster Yeldon Daboll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I can see the Pats being all over this and him making an immediate impact for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Super rational.....I rest my case. Maybe we should just make no moves whatsoever just because I am the egg man Armchair GM said so. We don't need ANY help whatsoever! Brandon Beane, you've just been replaced and you don't even know it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Hard Knox, I love it! But he needs to catch and hang on to the ball. I'd like to take credit, but I was going with Seymour. Looks like people prefer "Hard" or "Fort". Agreed on the dropsies, did not like seeing that last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: You forgot Melvin Gordon O K , while we're at it, Its rumored A B wants to play again, Lol, I'm just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, ny33 said: He’s not on the block. I don’t see why Tampa would trade him; he certainly isn’t producing and hasn’t played well overall, but it would be foolish to trade a TE like Howard when Arians needs Winston to feel as comfortable as possible and have options beyond Godwin/Evans. I think we’re Good at TE Knox will be a stud what we could use is a WR like Evans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 As someone who has him on their fantasy team I hope he gets traded to a team that actually uses him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I really wanted Howard and think he would be great. That said, I would stick with Kroft and Knox. Knox just looks like he can be special if given more targets. And they already spent the money on Kroft. Thet are not going to make more than one move if any. If Nsekhe and Ford are ok, then they probably stand pat on the OL. Murphy is absolute garbage and Lawson still can't pass rush. Want to take this defense over the top. Bench Murphy. Start Lawson at DE and bring in Miller at SLB. Miller can drop down to DE in nickel and dime packages. Lorax and Murphy then move to rotational DEs. That is how you take this top 3 defense in yards to a top 3 defense that wins playoff games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well played. Well played. Seriously: Every time a trade is proposed, I think the proposer should suggest what player we cut to make room, and why. ....AND, what do we give up in the terms of the trade, pick(s), players, etc? Adding player X might sound great, but there is always a cost. . Edited October 13, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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