Phil The Thrill Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the fence, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. Edited September 30, 2019 by Phil The Thrill 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 No but I am losing faith in the OC developing a game plan that helps the young QB develop and the OL that is getting killed 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I’m completely on the dense, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. If that’s not a Freudian slip, I don’t know what is. 4 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The deep balls concern me but this New England defense is unreal. BB is a master vs young qbs and Allen didn’t have an answer. 1 bad game out of four isn’t concerning, yet. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I haven’t given up on Josh as a gamer, leader and a winner, but I have given up on the shred of remaining hope that he’d become a top 10 QB over the next few years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Nope. If the hero ball is going on in week 15 I’ll be concerned for next season. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I am a big Josh supporter but I thought he played poorly against Cincinnati. I didn't see the game yesterday but it sounded bad. Real bad. That being said, I feel about this game like I felt about the Texans game last year: i.e. if Josh was there at the end the Bills would have won. I also now think that this weeks Titans game is the inflection point for the season. Win, we rise, lose, we fall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the dense, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. HaHaHaHaHa - yeah I could tell from your post all last week you are a big fan. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: The deep balls concern me but this New England defense is unreal. BB is a master vs young qbs and Allen didn’t have an answer. 1 bad game out of four isn’t concerning, yet. He made Mahomes look bad too last year. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Nope 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He made Mahomes look bad too last year. Made him look bad for 1 half. 2nd half was a different story 2 minutes ago, westside2 said: Nope ok, then explain why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Not even close. If you were at the game and couldn’t feel and see that Josh was bringing them back, than you either haven’t watched a lot of football or don’t want Josh to be the answer. a lot of the great quarterbacks play terrible games and then win them in the end. That’s what Josh was getting ready to do before the cheap shot. 6 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: No but I am losing faith in the OC developing a game plan that helps the young QB develop and the OL that is getting killed Blaming Daboll comes off as scapegoating. I think he’s a good OC. You can’t blame Daboll for the times when Josh holds the ball, throws INT’s, or misfires on deep passes. He’s given Josh the ball and an opportunity to make plays - which is all you can ask Part of the reason why he’s getting “killed” is because he’s not making fast enough decisions and/or getting rid of the football. 2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Not even close. If you were at the game and couldn’t feel and see that Josh was bringing them back, than you either haven’t watched a lot of football or don’t want Josh to be the answer. a lot of the great quarterbacks play terrible games and then win them in the end. That’s what Josh was getting ready to do before the cheap shot. Unfortunately we’ll never what would have happened in the 2nd half had he not gotten hurt. I do know that in the first half, Josh was the worst player on the field. This has me concerned 15 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: HaHaHaHaHa - yeah I could tell from your post all last week you are a big fan. Do explain... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Blaming Daboll comes off as scapegoating. I think he’s a good OC. You can’t blame Daboll for the times when Josh holds the ball, throws INT’s, or misfires on deep passes. He’s given Josh the ball and an opportunity to make plays - which is all you can ask Part of the reason why he’s getting “killed” is because he’s not making fast enough decisions and/or getting rid of the football. Unfortunately we’ll never what would have happened in the 2nd half had he not gotten hurt. I do know that in the first half, Josh was the worst player on the field. This has me concerned The worst or playing a position where mistakes are magnified? Josh didn’t have a great game in the first half. He was leading his team back that I do know. Look at yards and points scored in second half vs first half. Bills were going to win that game until another cheap shot by a NE safety. Rodney Harrison was probably very proud. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh_Allen Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I need to see Allen start learning from his mistakes. If he's making the same mistakes and losing games 4-5 weeks from now, yes, I will be losing faith in him for sure. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Hell no. If he finishes the game we probably win. All these sky are falling at 3-1 posts are pretty lame 17 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Xwnyer said: No but I am losing faith in the OC developing a game plan that helps the young QB develop and the OL that is getting killed Allow me to remind Bills fans that in his 6 years as an NFL offensive coordinator for four different teams Brian Daboll has never fielded better than 23rd. in passing yards! 2009 Cleveland (5-11) Points for 29, Yards for 32. Passing yards that season 32nd 2010 Cleveland (5-11). PF 31, YF 29. Passing yards that season 29th 2011 Miami (6-10). PF 20, YF 22. Passing yards that season 23rd 2012 Kansas (2-12) PF 32, YF 24. Passing yards that season 32nd 2018 Buffalo (6-10) PF 30, YF 30. Passing yards that season 31st. 2019 Buffalo (3-0) PF 17, YF 8. Passing yards in the first three games 19th The Buffalo Bills just played the NE Patriots with the #1 defense in points allowed, #1 in yards allowed. The Bills scored the very first TD against that defense this season. The 2018 SB winners with pro bowl, all pro ex Bills CB Stephon Gilmore! So what does Brian Daboll call in that first series against that defense ...Pass, incomplete, Pass, incomplete, 5 yard penalty (no play), Run, Run, Penalty (center ineligible downfield?) Penalty TE Lee Smith. 1st and 20 at Buffalo 30, Daboll calls for a deep middle pass to John Brown INT! Line playing poorly, penalties, and with Gore the Bills should should have come out running. Bills Blocked punt for 7 pts... Missed FG. Turnover on downs. Out coached on offense! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Let me be clear .. he played bad yesterday .. that said .. lost faith .. ABSOLUTELY NOT There are way too many positives than negatives with Josh. He has one glaring mental weakness ... he can't throw the ball away .. he tries to extend plays too far, takes hits he shouldn't and then heaves a jump ball in play. Though I'm not a fan of the new back footed throwing technique he showed yesterday repeatedly .. last year (after mid year) he hung in the pocket more ... not seeing that this year. That said ... net of a blocked punt (not Josh's fault) and to play as bad as he did and be that close .. the team is vastly improved and Josh is a part of that. 3-1 ... equates to 12-4 if same performance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Hell no. If he finishes the game we probably win. All these sky are falling at 3-1 posts are utterly, completely and undeniably lame FTFY 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 No, the young man is going to go through some growing pains. Give him more time and let him develop. I figured the pats would make him look like a deer in headlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutie Flakes Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Before you question Josh Allen, why don't you start with our o-line? They have been far from stellar in all four games this season. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikademus Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Plenty of faith left in my tank. As others have stated.... it's Belichick, the team plays for him and he has shown progress in every facet from his first game till now. Progress usually has a few set backs. Allen will use this as an opportunity to learn. He's that kind of player. The film from today will be invaluable for him going forward. I felt like we were coming back and poised for the wiwin until Allen went down. #&$^$*@ Cheap shot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: I haven’t given up on Josh as a gamer, leader and a winner, but I have given up on the shred of remaining hope that he’d become a top 10 QB over the next few years. totally agree with this take..he'll be a lot like Jeff George (if anyone can remember that far back) - he'll win some games in spectacular fashion and then a few will be lost due to both hero ball and he doesn't see the whole field (e.g. not recognizing where the safety was on that first interception). If the Bills can maintain a top 3 D they have a chance to make the playoffs each year under Allen but unless its a true "lights out" D the Superbowl will never be in reach. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Made him look bad for 1 half. 2nd half was a different story ok, then explain why He's only played 15 games. He's still raw. Besides, he was playing the no.1 defense in the nfl. He'll learn. I see tons of talent in him. He will be fine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 No. And I’ve never been all in on him. After a couple hours sleep last night I woke up feeling yesterday can be beneficial to him over the long haul not too keep playing hero ball. I think he has it in him to learn 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 No. Considering the opponent, he most likely saw things that confused him. He will develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I expected some growing pains as he got used to his new weapons. But I am actually losing some faith he’ll ever be able to make the correct reads on the field and get the ball out with any kind of normalcy. His ceiling for me was a faster Big Ben and I figured his floor was more cam Newtonish. But what I’m seeing is Fitz 2.0. I have not given up, obviously I want him starting every game this season, but to be that bad yesterday rather he could of brought them back or not was kind of sickening. We crushed peterman for not being prepared, turning the ball over and not being ready to perform at this level. Allen looked like he should not be in the league yesterday and that should be concerning to everyone who is a fan. The only positive I can take from this Pats game is he has some film to study this week on the worst parts of his game and what needs to be worked on. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Made him look bad for 1 half. 2nd half was a different story ok, then explain why Well...Allen came out 6 for 6 in the 2nd half and led them down the field for a TD...but he still has a long long way to go against Belichick defenses 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 We didn't lose the game because of Allen, he never finished the game. Way to many penalties, Lee Smith mostly. The blocked punt is on the coaching staff, nearly happened twice. Look, Josh Allen is not a first half quarterback. He appeared rattled imo. Its time to go back to basics just like the last time he was injured. He came back a much better QB. Barkley will be fine for a game or two. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Dude missed wide open receivers and failed again to read the field. Of course I'm worried 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, entropyrules said: totally agree with this take..he'll be a lot like Jeff George (if anyone can remember that far back) - he'll win some games in spectacular fashion and then a few will be lost due to both hero ball and he doesn't see the whole field (e.g. not recognizing where the safety was on that first interception). If the Bills can maintain a top 3 D they have a chance to make the playoffs each year under Allen but unless its a true "lights out" D the Superbowl will never be in reach. In this era its hard to keep a top 3 D for a long time. You need that too 10 QB to be able to compete year in and year out. My question to the ones that believe Allen is the guy, have any of you seen what other 1st and 2nd QBs are doing? Look at Allen in Carolina or Minshew in Jacksonville, both playing really well and not having issues like Allen does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Nope, felt if josh doesn’t get hurt we win and Josh has another 4th quarter comeback 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Barkley's first pass was a pass Allen failed to hit all season. How the f is that not concerning . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I truly Billieve that Josh would have lead the Bills downfield for the go ahead score on that drive had he not been concussed. I think the Patsies knew it to and the cheap shot was not a defender making a stop but a deliberate attempt to injure. I still can't billieve that jackwad wasn't ejected. I say lighten up everyone a missed FG at the half and going for it on 4th down with your BU QB down 6 cost us that game. BTW if a Bills player had done that to Marsha what do you think would have happened? One more thing I think a rule change is necessary to eliminate free cheap shots. The flag for the lesser offence needs to be picked up and the personal foul needs to be enforced. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 1st down INTs forced to well covered WR's. Very alarming. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 No has he even played 16 games yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Not concerned at all. Allen was figuring that defense out in the 2nd half. Many QBs never figure out how to beat Bellicheck. This was only his second crack at him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The kid is still basically a rookie. Still hasn't started and finished 16 games. I think the jury will be out until probably next season. His decision making can be frustrating but he also does a whole lot right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Phil The Thrill said: I was at the game Sunday and there was 1 reason the Bills lost the game. They lost the game for one reason - Josh Allen. He was absolutely putrid at QB. I’m a big fan of Allen but he was THE reason why we lost. We’re starting to get to the point where you can’t use the whole “lack of experience” excuses for Allen. For all the progress be seemed to make, we still see him revert back to the traits (holding onto the ball, poor footwork passing up short routes, inaccuracies) from college. We saw on Sunday that the thing he does well, scrambling, leaves his open for huge cheap shots to the head. He also doesn’t seem to be elevating the offense either. Take a look at how much better NYG has been since Daniel Jones took over last week. Or how much better Cleveland was behind Baker and not Tyrod. Or to a MUCH lesser extent Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville. Allen has struggled to generate much more than 20 points per game. So have you lost faith in Josh Allen? If you haven’t lost faith, what give you hope that he will eventually start elevating the offense? I’m completely on the fence, but trending toward skepticism, unfortunately. Yeah, Phil, I’ve “lost faith” in a kid with less than a season under his belt. It’s obvious, to me, that Allen wants to win in Buffalo, too much. When you couple this with his off field antics, signing countless autographs, doing interviews that draw positive attention to Buffalo, bringing teammates together and charity work, I’m done. Thanks Phil for helping to bring these negatives to light. I have indeed lost a bit of faith today. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3TD 6INT and how many fumbles? Yea he’s entering turnover machine status. If you haven’t panicked yet you may want to start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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