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I've been thinking this for a while: We need a real playmaker in a skill position on offense. We’re beautifully deep, as a football team. Our offensive skill positions are consistent. But, we just don't have a marquee player (other than Josh!) on offense-- someone who Josh can throw to in tight coverage, and they'll come down with the ball. Smoke Brown is almost that player, but not quite.

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Just now, Reed83HOF said:

Add an elite pass rushing DE and an Elite WR and this team is...woah boy

Absolutely. It just seems to be more evident now. Take those final steps, plug in those remaining pieces. We already know that Beane realizes it and he attempted to be proactive already. 

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Limiting myself to current players, I would go with a young star at the beginning of what I hope would be a great career.  Mahomes is certainly a reasonable option.  He looks like he might end up being a top 2 or 3 QB all time when all is said and done.  Myles Garrett is another possibility.  I don't like his propensity to collect personal foul penalties, but as another poster said Frazier and McDermott may be able to coach that out of him.  Saquon Barkley is tempting.  I like what Singletary has done, but there's no comparison to Barkley, who's bigger, faster, stronger and just as elusive.  I think I would go with Garrett.  He would make a good defense a terrifying defense and give the Bills an elite pass rush for the next 10 years.

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3 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Patrick Mahomes.

 

Yep and it’s not even close. Top tier QB who is at the very beginning of his career.

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

For those who chose Mahomes, there is no doubt he is a great player so far in his career. To me, however, we have John Brown and Cole Beasley as our two main pass catchers. Do you want to add Pat Mahomes and Zay Jones to them, or Josh Allen and Deandre Hopkins. I think we are better with Allen and Hopkins.

 

Mahommes is a sure fire top 2-3 QB. We’re all just hoping Allen gets there. He’s on the right trajectory but in magical land I’d cut out the doubt and just grab Mahommes and worry about upgrading WR at a later date.

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6 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Yep and it’s not even close. Top tier QB who is at the very beginning of his career.

 

Mahommes is a sure fire top 2-3 QB. We’re all just hoping Allen gets there. He’s on the right trajectory but in magical land I’d cut out the doubt and just grab Mahommes and worry about upgrading WR at a later date.

I like Mahomes a lot, but he did nothing with Kelvin Benjamin either. He doesn't have half the season he had last year if he is on the Bills. Probably less than half, with those OL, WR, TE, RB, blocking and coaching compared to his.

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3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I like Mahomes a lot, but he did nothing with Kelvin Benjamin either. He doesn't have half the season he had last year if he is on the Bills. Probably less than half, with those OL, WR, TE, RB, blocking and coaching compared to his.

 

Hill goes down, no problem, Sammy looks all pro. Take Sammy away the following week, he drops dimes down field into Demarcus Robinson’s hands. The guy makes everyone around him better. John Brown would be in the Pro Bowl if Mahommes was his QB (to be fair, I think he might make it with Allen.)

 

Mahommes is special. I know it hurts to admit it because he was there for the taking for the Bills but we don’t have to be in denial. Allen might get there, but he’s not there yet and there’s a chance he never reaches that level.

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1 minute ago, MDH said:

 

Hill goes down, no problem, Sammy looks all pro. Take Sammy away the following week, he drops dimes down field into Demarcus Robinson’s hands. The guy makes everyone around him better. John Brown would be in the Pro Bowl if Mahommes was his QB (to be fair, I think he might make it with Allen.)

 

Mahommes is special. I know it hurts to admit it because he was there for the taking for the Bills but we don’t have to be in denial. Allen might get there, but he’s not there yet and there’s a chance he never reaches that level.

It doesn't hurt to admit it, I watched Mahomes in college absolutely kill my team. My point is we had an absymal team last year on offense across the board. It also helps to have Andy Reed teaching him and running the offense, and Not McDermott, a WR coach and Daboll (who is decent but not the coaching that Mahomes is getting). Mahomes is well ahead of Josh without question right now, and QB is the most important position. I understand your point. But adding Hopkins instead of Zay Jones to Brown and Beasley?

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4 hours ago, Virgil said:

I’m honestly shocked to hear so many defensive options. Team was 2nd last year and top 5 this year.  But to each their own. 

 

As for Mahomes, I wonder what he’d be like outside of Reid’s system. I’m sure very good, still just saying. 

 

To me, I go offense to create one more piece for the defense to worry about and free up other things.  

 

I didn’t think about Hopkins.  That makes me reconsider my pick, but I think I’m sticking with Barkley 

 

Did every other QB under Reid throw for 5,000 yards & 50+ TD's with a 66% completion percentage, in what was their first season as a starter (essentially a rookie)? Think of how many records he broke last year, and think of how quickly he's on pace to break countless more. How many QB's under Reid have ever had seasons that good? That's only his first season as a starter...imagine how good he'll be years from now.

And if you ever watched him in college, you'll realize he was doing the exact same thing, and people were also saying similar things like "system QB" or "because he's playing in Kliff's offense." 

But when you draft a QB, you hope they can produce like they did in college, only now take it to the next level & do it in the pros. You see that amazing ability and think "damn, if he could do that in the NFL, he'd be a franchise guy!" and that's exactly what Mahomes is doing. 

This is the main thing that worries me about Allen. If you took how he played in college at his absolute best, then got him to play just as good as he did at his peak in college, you'd only have a pretty solid QB. So instead, we're hoping to turn Allen into something he's never shown he can be, and hoping it's done by a defensive minded HC... the same guy who was so good at evaluating QB talent that he thought we were set going into last season with a QB corps of 5th round pick Nathan Peterman as the starter, and a rookie as the backup. 

Anyway, Allen has looked solid in parts of games this year (still hasn't put together a strong game start to finish yet), but it's not like we've had great competition. Up next is the Bengals, so between them, the Jets & the Giants they're 0-6. Then again, you can only play who is on your schedule, and as long as the team keeps doing enough to beat who is put in front of them, I'll be happy. 

Still rather have Mahomes 10 out of 10 times, but if I could just see Allen outplay Mahomes one Sunday in the entire season, I'll be impressed.

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26 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Well, the words “poof” and make believe land being the operative preconditions here, then I’ll go 1990 version of Bruce Smith. Hey, 19 sacks would pair nicely with Hughes on the other side to torment Brady, imho. 

Bruce would draw so much attention by himself...freeing almost every body up!

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4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Hallelujah! All hail Beane! 

 

I know some say you can turn it around faster, but I LOVE what they have done. No one is perfect, but they had a plan and were efficient. 

 

What Beane has done so far looks promising and is a good start,  that's as far as I'll go.

 

With Sunday's win, they are now .500 which is exactly where we were the 3 years before they got here. Time to deliver.

 

I'll say all hail Beane when we win our first playoff game at home.

 

Beat the Bengals. Go BILLS !!

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57 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

What Beane has done so far looks promising and is a good start,  that's as far as I'll go.

 

With Sunday's win, they are now .500 which is exactly where we were the 3 years before they got here. Time to deliver.

 

I'll say all hail Beane when we win our first playoff game at home.

 

Beat the Bengals. Go BILLS !!

 

If you don’t feel  the difference in talent level and the sense of a plan, I don’t know what to tell you and I won’t try to change your mind. 

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7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

Patrick Mahomes.

That, or Tom Brady.

 

Not to go too far off-topic, but here's an interesting question which would make a good thread on its own...

 

If Tom Brady magically became a Bill tomorrow and was absorbed into the salary cap, etc., would the Bills--just as they are, plus Brady--be good enough to win the Super Bowl this year?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

If you don’t feel  the difference in talent level and the sense of a plan, I don’t know what to tell you and I won’t try to change your mind. 

 

I said it looks promising.  

 

Just not ready to crown anyone until there are some hides on the wall. Something like a home playoff win.  

 

Never confuse effort with results.

 

And I don't necessarily think this team is more talented than the 2014 - 2016 teams especially at DLine,  WR,  DB, and RB.  Our coach is better and I'm hoping that makes the difference.  

 

 

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