9/15 Bills at Giants Postgame Thread

[YoloinOhio]

Jabby Peppers = still an overrated stiff 

 

 

[GreggTX]

Yes, there were a few off-target passes from Josh, but it looked a little better than  last week and much better than last year. I'm hopeful that he can continue to improve. His decisions were better. No picks this time and a 101 Passing Efficiency Rating!!!

 

It started ugly with the Barkley running the ball down our throats, but in the end, they held him to 107 yards, He still had a fat 5.9 yards/carry, but we did a good job against Eli. Can't really complain. 22 points surrendered in 2 games for a 11 points/game avg. Not too shabby, even if it was only against the Jets and Giants.

 

I still want to see Singletary get more carries. The guy has 127 yards in 10 carries for a 12.7 average. I think he's earned more snaps. It was good to have an experienced veteran that knows how to protect the ball in there, though, after the hammy pull. I'd like to see a more balanced attack as well.

 

Knox may have fudged a catch, but his blocking was superb. He just manhandled Ogletree on that one play when Ogletree threw him down out of frustration. I really like our rookie TE's and I suspect they will be a strong unit for us in the future.

[BaaadThingsMan]

26 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Anyone want to talk about taking a knee to end the half with almost a minute left and 2 timeouts? Wasn’t a fan at the time.

They were getting sloppy on offense. Just take a knee and get some rest. 

[Seven-N-Nine]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That’s what I like to see: power of Positive Thinking here!

Fans being positive or negative have no bearing on how the team performs.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes it will....McD and Jauron's style of game management is identical and that scares the crap out of me. 47 seconds and 2 to's near the 40 and you don't even attempt to get into fg range? That's not going to fly. Love that we hung on but the entire 2nd half felt like we were content running clock. Be aggressive and put teams away.

 

...know what you're saying....play it for 60 always aiming for the jugular......Bills "running up the score"?...seriously?.....SO WHAT..........

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

[Gray Beard]

But but but...   I thought beating an NFC team on the road was bad for their playoff chances

[x-BillzeBubba]

2 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

But but but...   I thought beating an NFC team on the road was bad for their playoff chances

it's true...these were must-lose games 

[CEN-CAL17]

Josh is playing solid. 

 

With th his arm though I’d like to see a deep ball or two a game.... we’ve yet to see a deep ball.

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

10 minutes ago, WideNine said:

Good all around game, one where towards the end of the 1st and in the 2nd the Bills jumped to a comfy lead and yet managed to NOT give the game away in the 2nd half.

 

There were a few throws that Allen wanted back, but if you listen to the QBs that are now commentators to a man they are saying he is a young QB with a huge arm that will learn more  touch as he gains more time under center and as he recognizes more quickly and trusts where he needs to go with the ball. What I liked is that Allen did not feel that he had to carry this team to win the game.

 

The Giants got good pressure on a lot of throws (often bringing 5), more often than not Allen would buy space and either find some yards on his own, roll out and find an open man, or throw it away when needed. The Giants took some things away from Allen in the passing game in the 2nd half - he will learn from that.

 

Allen certainly has the personality that probably wanted to take more shots down field, BUT I am sure that the coaching staff with the lead and the way the defense was playing pulled on the reigns and it was a mature approach by Allen to hand off and take time off the clock. That is something Allen has rarely if ever had to do. It was a step away from hero-ball and a steady march towards maturity. You do what you need to do to win, not pad stats.

 

I felt our o-line struggled, both protecting and with sloppy penalties. They have work to do, not sure if Ty Nsekhe was still in there in the second half I know he was a bit dinged early, but I did not focus to see if he was still in there.

 

Our defense did not get a lot of pressure on Eli, but I also understand that they were committed to being disciplined in regards to their rush lanes, kept to the 4-man rush primarily, and were pretty conservative as part of respecting what Barkley can do. They came up with some key stops when needed and kept Barkley hemmed in after making adjustments from the 1st drive. I think the Giants o-line did a good job of buying Eli time.

 

There were more than a few floaters tossed up by Eli, that I would have liked to see our secondary make a play on. I think Poyer is going to get fined for the helmet to helmet hit although I think he was just trying to stick a shoulder into the ball and the receiver happened to duck down at the same time to protect the ball. Whether it was intentional or not will probably not matter.

 

Opening 2-0 on the road folks with almost a completely revamped offense. Not sure why folks want to be negative, sure we left some points on the field, Josh overthrew a couple and so did just about every other QB in the league, Zay continues his streak of 0 YAC - he does tend to leave his feet and go down to the turf on plays where he could keep running through the catch and I think he just does not trust his hands and prefers to cradle the ball with his body.... dunno, its a theory.

 

Knox let one go through his hands, but the kid threw a textbook block that sealed the edge for Singletary to rush it in for the score.

 

The Special Teams has been solid - with one guy not being disciplined in his lane that allowed one long return, but otherwise the punting and kickoffs have been good and Siran Neal had a good all around game both for the defense and for Special Teams (would get my game ball as I felt he made the key plays at key times that kept the game out of reach for the Giants).

 

Excellent write up

[aceman_16]

The problem with Allen playing well is it is going to ruin the stubborn narrative of all the analytical naysayers.

[goldenboy81]

39 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

I’m not even paying attention to Dolphins games. The Dolphins are going to make a lot of teams look great this year. 

Wasn't talking about the dolphins everyone knew they would be a mess.. I meant Pitts,S.D, hou and kc was losing then

[TakeYouToTasker]

18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Agree on all points except I thought the Giants were ridiculous for not running Barkley until we stopped him.

 

I agree with this 100%.  

 

 

One of the best qualities of Josh and this team is the ability to pick up first downs after penalties or loss of yardage. It doesn't even matter how long it is.

 

 

It’s his freakish skill set.  It’s impossible to take the whole field away from him, and he can use the whole field because of his arm strength/velocity, and his ability to use his raw strength and athleticism to extend plays, or to just take off running if they don’t waste a man or two to shadow him.

 

Daboll designed a bunch of good plays and called a good game outside of being a little too conservative in the middle, although some of that I put on McDermott.

 

I think Daboll is clever enough that he gets in his own way by over-engineering things sometimes.  I think the QB draw was an example of that.  It struck me as a “Princess Bride” poison scene moment.

 

 

Overall a very strong game all around in all three phases.

 

This is where the rubber meets the road.  It was a strong enough (and exciting!) performance in all thee phases, despite needing to clean up a few things, to win an away game in the NFL.  That’s not an easy thing to do.  

 

Edited September 15, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker
cleaning up a tragic mess of error quotes

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Josh is playing solid. 

 

With th his arm though I’d like to see a deep ball or two a game.... we’ve yet to see a deep ball.

He actually missed badly on a sure TD with his only real long ball. Down the middle to Brown. I think he needs to go downfield more, too.

[The Wiz]

Just now, aceman_16 said:

The problem with Allen playing well is it is going to ruin the stubborn narrative of all the analytical naysayers.

Don't worry.  They won't budge on that stance for a while. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

All the games are hard.  This is the NFL. 

 

Well.... we will play Miami twice.... 

[Jumpsuit Jim]

I just opened this thread and didn’t bother to check if this was brought up as a topic. So ignore this or whatever. 

 

I think the Carter takedown of Allen (replete with a close-to-being a roughing the passer call) was out of frustration of not only Carter not being able to sack Allen, but also a carry over from Allen’s stiff arm/throwing Carter to the ground on an earlier play. I think Allen’s speed and physicality really frustrate LBs who are used to QBs falling over when they are breathed on. And I find it amusing.

 

Suck it, Mr Carter. Josh owned you. 

[BillsFanM.D.]

19 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

 

This kid has intuitive leadership....both for his team...and his city.  Attention all reporters:  Don't disrespect!!

19 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

12 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

This kid is awesome! 

 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Did we win?

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Did we win?

If we didn't wouldn't this place be melting down by now.

[DuckyBoys]

8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He actually missed badly on a sure TD with his only real long ball. Down the middle to Brown. I think he needs to go downfield more, too.

think he was trying to go deep on at least one of the tipped balls  It will come together

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

think he was trying to go deep on at least one of the tipped balls  It will come together

Yep. He was.

[Juice_32]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Jabby Peppers = still an overrated stiff 

 

 

 

Knox definitely seems to have a little bit of dog in him. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Juice_32 said:

 

Knox definitely seems to have a little bit of dog in him. 

Knox is a surprisingly good blocker for a tallish rookie TE. All of our TEs add to the offense, and we likely get Kroft back this week or next.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Looking forward to all the tweets from the “Allen is erratic” crowd

 

 

... mostly likely crickets though 

 

Several posters are MIA after this win. We all know who they are.

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, DuckyBoys said:

think he was trying to go deep on at least one of the tipped balls  It will come together

 

Allen is going to see his share of tipped balls as most defensive lines are being coached to keep him hemmed in the pocket because he can take off on them, and to follow his eyes.

 

You see this especially from the edge guys. If their first move does not create a path to Allen they drop back a bit and follow his eyes. Its those times that our o-linemen have to be a bit aggressive and get their hands into their body so they cannot time their leap or focus on Allen.

 

That is a lot to ask from Ford who considering how far I feel he had to come with his foot speed as a rookie to be where he needed to be to beat speed rushers when playing RT, he has done a decent job ( with a few hiccups) of taking away the outside rush leverage. That being said, he has to give up more than a bit of cushion to the rusher to recover from any moves they throw at him.

 

He is no where near his ceiling and I think we have a good one - I loved the way they flocked to Allen's aid. Sending a message about protecting their QB - we needed that more last year.

 

 

[Seasons1992]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Several posters are MIA after this win. We all know who they are.

 

SaviorPeterman??

[Nelius]

Schopp trying to flirt and the lady drops a live f-bomb. I love WGR post game. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, WideNine said:

 

Allen is going to see his share of tipped balls as most defensive lines are being coached to keep him hemmed in the pocket because he can take off on them, and to follow his eyes.

 

You see this especially from the edge guys. If their first move does not create a path to Allen they drop back a bit and follow his eyes. Its those times that our o-linemen have to be a bit aggressive and get their hands into their body so they cannot time their leap or focus on Allen.

 

That is a lot to ask from Ford who considering how far I feel he had to come with his foot speed as a rookie to be where he needed to be to beat speed rushers when playing RT, he has done a decent job ( with a few hiccups) of taking away the outside rush leverage. That being said, he has to give up more than a bit of cushion to the rusher to recover from any moves they throw at him.

 

He is no where near his ceiling and I think we have a good one - I loved the way they flocked to Allen's aid. Sending a message about protecting their QB - we needed that more last year.

 

 

The short pass over the middle I think on third down that Beasley made a diving catch on, the pass was going to be blocked at the line and Josh wisely changed his motion and threw it sidearm, eluding the tip. Really nice play all around.

[Nextmanup]

Is the Bills offensive line going to be good enough for the rest of the season?

Because really, that's the f-ing key.

 

(A female caller just said this live on WGR-550 post game show, dropping the F bomb which got through).

 

 

[Buddy Hix]

I just thought about Primetime coming back tonight and Berman talking Bills?

[mrags]

50 minutes ago, mrags said:

Some people have watched teams ***** victory from the jaws of defeat way too many times. 

 

Nothing bad could have come taking some deep shots, or safe throws down the field in attempt to put the game away. 

I just realized this. Can I really not say S N A T C H

[fergie's ire]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

after he picked the Giants to win this morning.

If he did, he changed his mind.  I heard his "blazing five" yesterday and he said Buffalo has excellent coaching and a great defense, so even though he usually picks underdogs he was going with the Bills as road favorites.

[RobbRiddick]

Not as fun as the Jets forum last week, but this thread should be good. Look at the reply at the top of this page (after Barkley scores) "We are going to own them"

 

Erm, nope!

 

http://bbwc.com/thread/3867/game-thread-wk-bills-giants?page=2

[klos63]

6 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

SaviorPeterman??

He's in high level meetings right now.

[RiotAct]

5 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Schopp trying to flirt and the lady drops a live f-bomb. I love WGR post game. 

wait, what?   Need to hear this... lol

[Comebackkid]

27 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Josh is playing solid. 

 

With th his arm though I’d like to see a deep ball or two a game.... we’ve yet to see a deep ball.

He over threw brown for about 60 air yards....not to mention the one to beasley was pretty deep

[Meatloaf63]

55 minutes ago, mrags said:

 Bah. Take some safe throws, or deep shots downfield. Put the nail in the coffin with a 21pt lead and getting the ball at the half. 

Agreed. You would never see New England do this unless the weather dictated it. Show your young Q B you have confidence in him to put a nsil in the coffin...

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The short pass over the middle I think on third down that Beasley made a diving catch on, the pass was going to be blocked at the line and Josh wisely changed his motion and threw it sidearm, eluding the tip. Really nice play all around.

 

Yep. That one caught my eye.

 

Would like to see Josh master the pump fake, but the few times he has done that or patted the ball I don't think it has turned out well - usually too much mustard or he has telegraphed the play to a defender playing the deep ball. Savvy veteran QBs learn over time how to fake enough to get defenders to mistime their leaps. Allen will get there, but I like that he is learning to find ways to create throwing lanes this early in his growth.

 

I felt that going to that QB draw again was Daboll getting a bit too cute, but the first one worked fine and the holding on Morse was bogus. That being said I thought the penalty on the Giants for "touching" our long snapper that gave us a fresh set of downs was pretty ticky-tacky too. Would have preferred less flags all around, but I think the mess sort of played out evenly.

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by WideNine