Week Two: Bills at Giants

[Big C]

Did you guys see that graphic showing the Cowboys were bottom 5 in QB pressure week 1? We are going to light Eli up.

[Locomark]

8 minutes ago, Big C said:

Did you guys see that graphic showing the Cowboys were bottom 5 in QB pressure week 1? We are going to light Eli up.

I’m calling 5-7 sacks if we get any kind of a lead on them. 

[JaCrispy]

8 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm surprised by the confidence I'm seeing from #BillsMafia on TBD and twitter.  We have lost to some miserable Giants teams over the past 5 years which is enough to temper my expectations.  I did not see enough out of our offense last week to think we are going to blow their suspect defense out of the building and you cannot count on your defense to hold teams to one score every week.  This is a game we SHOULD win but Bills fans know how that goes.

You are absolutely correct, unfortunately...also, it is the Giants home opener- should add a little extra juice...not saying the Bills can’t win but I, too, am very cautious about this one- not overly confident- especially with Barkley.

[YoloinOhio]

38 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

You are absolutely correct, unfortunately...also, it is the Giants home opener- should add a little extra juice...not saying the Bills can’t win but I, too, am very cautious about this one- not overly confident- especially with Barkley.

I’m never confident about any Bills game  I’m not quite as stressed as I was last week though because a road game vs an nfc team is one of the least “critical” games of the year when it comes to playoff implications. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[DuckyBoys]

Giants defense sucks  The Jets at least are stout up front. Dak was throwing to guys that were "college" open.  On the flipside Dallas gave Eli a clean pocket for the majority of the snaps.  Saquon is a monster but Shurmur will get cute with the playcalling.  Bills offense was moving up and down the field.  They clean up the miscues and we should win handily

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/9/2019 at 1:07 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

Another game in which Allen should have nearly 40 attempts.

 

It wouldn't shock me if Daboll took a page from the 1990 SB game, where the Evil One persuaded his team that Thurman Thomas could have >100 yds rushing and they could still win.  Clock control, ball control, etc.

 

Other things being equal, I think right now, one of Daboll's goals is to put it on film that you can't predict us from week to week

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

When they talked about Shurmur's comments on NFLN, they definitely made it sound like Shurmur was dissing Allen.  Hopefully added motivation for Allen to make him eat his words.

 

I have a different take on it.  I think, "head games": trying to needle Allen, get under his skin, maybe provoke him to take chances he shouldn't trying to prove Shurmur wrong.

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Locomark said:

I’m calling 5-7 sacks if we get any kind of a lead on them. 

McDermott blitz packages are legit!

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Big C said:

Did you guys see that graphic showing the Cowboys were bottom 5 in QB pressure week 1? We are going to light Eli up.

That spoke more imo to the Giants offensive line (greatly improved over last year) than the Cowboys pass rush (not terrible).

[Big C]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

That spoke more imo to the Giants offensive line (greatly improved over last year) than the Cowboys pass rush (not terrible).

 

That's fair. However, I do feel that our front four (and rotational DL) are better. We'll see how it plays out. Didn't really catch much about how the Boys were scheming after they pulled ahead.

[DuckyBoys]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It wouldn't shock me if Daboll took a page from the 1990 SB game, where the Evil One persuaded his team that Thurman Thomas could have >100 yds rushing and they could still win.  Clock control, ball control, etc.

 

Other things being equal, I think right now, one of Daboll's goals is to put it on film that you can't predict us from week to week

Cowboys are a run first offense and Dak was throwing into huge passing windows  Giants looked lost on the back end Allen should have a lot of success through the air

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Ed Oliver is already my favorite Bill.  I hope he doesn’t break my heart.

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Eli isn't even pushing the ball down the field to Engram, almost all of his passes were within a couple yards of the LOS. It's actually kind of embarrassing for Eli. 

I’m sure the G-men will take 300 yards passing from him every game. He’s still lethal. Reports of his demise are exaggerated.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Don't seem like a team that's looking past anyone and seem to have a bit of a chip on their shoulder.

 

They are fueled by disrespect.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Key is going to be not allowing Saquon to have those 50-yard runs. His big games are the ones where he rips off those home runs. 

[DollaBills]

23 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Key is going to be not allowing Saquon to have those 50-yard runs. His big games are the ones where he rips off those home runs. 

I bet we will see a lot of what looks like hardcore pressure upfront to scare the giants into passing, and then the patented drop back/sneaky coverage after the snap that will take advantage of eli, should be a fun watch

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, Forward Progress said:

 

Honestly, I'm hoping for a 200 yard game because we got an early lead and we ran the ball so well.  Big passing stats are fun and it would nice to quiet the  "Allen can't throw a football" crowd, but the biggest passing games happen when we are playing from behind.

 

Only if you have a conservative Head Coach.

 

Patriots don't ever take their foot off the throats of their opponents.

 

The Ravens didn't to Miami last week.

 

I think the Chiefs and Rams are teams that wouldn't, either.

 

Hope we don't when we get big leads against any team, whether it's this weekendor another weekend.

[Forward Progress]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Only if you have a conservative Head Coach.

 

Patriots don't ever take their foot off the throats of their opponents.

 

The Ravens didn't to Miami last week.

 

I think the Chiefs and Rams are teams that wouldn't, either.

 

Hope we don't when we get big leads against any team, whether it's this weekendor another weekend.

 

I still want our team to move the ball on offence and not give the ball back to our opponent.  We’ve had a long history of run-run-run-punt playcalling with 4th quarter leads. 

 

The dream scenario for me is where your opponent knows that we will run the ball, we run the ball and get first downs anyway. 

 

I’m not convinced that we have a run game that can impose its will against a stacked box, so a balanced offence still makes the sense for our team playing with lead. 

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Key is going to be not allowing Saquon to have those 50-yard runs. His big games are the ones where he rips off those home runs. 

 

This, contain Barkley, you win. As a Penn State fan, I saw plenty of games where teams slowed him down, he is not unstoppable.

[skibum]

I have a feeling Saquon will have a big day with lots of 10-20 yard runs, but I think the Bills win regardless. 

[JaCrispy]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m never confident about any Bills game  I’m not quite as stressed as I was last week though because a road game vs an nfc team is one of the least “critical” games of the year when it comes to playoff implications. 

This is great point Yolo ?

[PaattMaann]

8 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m sure the G-men will take 300 yards passing from him every game. He’s still lethal. Reports of his demise are exaggerated.

 

I dont know if you watched the game, I did. There was maybe 1 "downfield pass", I truly didnt think he had the ability to push the ball downfield last year even. As far as 300 yards passing, lol, its def. easier to throw against a prevent defense when the game is over. Eli Manning does not scare me Sunday. 

[HOUSE]

On the final drive,  Josh Allen takes the snap cleanly. 

Zay Jones heads for the corner of the end zone then cuts back abruptly toward the goal post, one handed catch,

BILLS WIN- 27-24

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2019 by HOUSE

[buffaloboyinATL]

My hope for this game is that we beat them so badly, that the Giants fans start chanting for Daniel Jones somewhere around the 3rd quarter. Leave them in turmoil, just like we did with the Jets.

[LB3]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Ed Oliver is already my favorite Bill.  I hope he doesn’t break my heart.

?He couldn't if he tried.?

[PromoTheRobot]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Only if you have a conservative Head Coach.

 

Patriots don't ever take their foot off the throats of their opponents.

 

The Ravens didn't to Miami last week.

 

I think the Chiefs and Rams are teams that wouldn't, either.

 

Hope we don't when we get big leads against any team, whether it's this weekendor another weekend.

 

A 50-point win gets you one W, the same as a 1-point win.

[thebandit27]

Still not ready to make a call on this one. The Giants may be limited in star talent, but Eli can still have his days, and Barkley is sensational.

 

They also have a big, tough, talented front 4.

 

This will be a challenge for Buffalo.

[SWATeam]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

Still not ready to make a call on this one. The Giants may be limited in star talent, but Eli can still have his days, and Barkley is sensational.

 

They also have a big, tough, talented front 4.

 

This will be a challenge for Buffalo.

I think it's an amazingly similar matchup to last week.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[thebandit27]

Just now, SWATeam said:

I think it's an amazingly similar matchup to last week.

 

In some ways, yes.

 

I don't know that the Giants have the same pass-catching talent as the Jets, and Eli is a statue in comparison to Darnold.

 

But the Giants have a better RB, TE, and OL, so there are some mitigating factors.

[Putin]

9 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

Key is going to be not allowing Saquon to have those 50-yard runs. His big games are the ones where he rips off those home runs. 

Yes that’s what scares me a little about this game , the Giants will try to spread the field with 3 and 4 WR sets , and will use ALOT of play action,  We can NOT miss tackles like we did with Bell ( and that’s what scares me )

 

[buffalonian]

13 hours ago, Big C said:

Did you guys see that graphic showing the Cowboys were bottom 5 in QB pressure week 1? We are going to light Eli up.

I hope so. I also think that most of the Giants passes were quick-hitters, which may account for the stats showing minimal pressure from the Cowboys.  Given the Giants lack of wide receivers and the strength of our D, I expect we will see more of the same on Sunday. 

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Big C said:

Did you guys see that graphic showing the Cowboys were bottom 5 in QB pressure week 1? We are going to light Eli up.

Part of that is the giants OL is much better than years past.  

[Albany,n.y.]

57 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

A 50-point win gets you one W, the same as a 1-point win.

But I have the Bills -2.5, so it's not the same as a 1 point win.  I need a FG win or better.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

44 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Still not ready to make a call on this one. The Giants may be limited in star talent, but Eli can still have his days, and Barkley is sensational.

 

They also have a big, tough, talented front 4.

 

This will be a challenge for Buffalo.

I am really curious to see how good their Defense really is.  Two QB's who had really big days last week, Dak Prescott and Lamar Jackson, seemed to be boosted by playing against relatively bad Defenses in week 1. I don't think either are quite as good as they looked in their first games.  I am guessing this will show itself to be true over the next few weeks, when they regress and other QB's have big days against those Defenses. Not saying they are bad, just not quite as good as their opponents made them look.

[BillsFan4]

 

 

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Now entering year three as a tandem in the Bills defensive backfield, Hyde and Poyer don’t feel like they need to expand or diversify a lot of what they do. Though they have added other members of the back seven on defense to vary the looks pre-snap.

 

“The personnel tendencies that the other team runs, we have certain calls to go against them,” said Hyde. “We know what they like to do and we have calls to try to beat those plays. Now for us, as we run those plays, do we set it up where we just run it? Or do we mess the quarterback up, or do we just disguise? Sometimes we’re just freelancing. So you never really know what we’re doing because now we’ve incorporated the corners and linebackers and it’s getting pretty dangerous for the opposing quarterbacks.”

 

Their rate of success and deep knowledge of the system has given them even more freedom to take risk and adjust on the fly if there’s something they believe will put them in an advantageous situation to make a play.

 

“Our trust is implicit at this point,” said Frazier. “They know the scheme as well as we do as coaches in some areas. When they see things, for example, they’ll come to me and say, ‘Hey coach, can we maybe take a look at this or take a look at that,’ I’m listening. Probably eight out of 10 times, I’m going to say yes, go ahead and do it. They’ve earned that trust because of some of the things they’ve done for our defense.”

 

 

Continuity can be a hell of an advantage if you have the right coach, and I think we do. 

 

[HappyDays]

 

Good breakdown of the Giants roster on today's podcast. 

[Jauronimo]

11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m never confident about any Bills game  I’m not quite as stressed as I was last week though because a road game vs an nfc team is one of the least “critical” games of the year when it comes to playoff implications. 

In fact, studies have shown that LOSING out of conference games can actually HELP our playoff odds if/when it comes down to tie breakers.  

[whatdrought]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Only if you have a conservative Head Coach.

 

Patriots don't ever take their foot off the throats of their opponents.

 

The Ravens didn't to Miami last week.

 

I think the Chiefs and Rams are teams that wouldn't, either.

 

Hope we don't when we get big leads against any team, whether it's this weekendor another weekend.

 

Just because we stop passing doesn’t mean our foot is off the gas. If you get out to an early lead and can run it down their throats, literally everyone would do that. It’s the best way to put games away. 

 

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

On the final drive,  Josh Allen takes the snap cleanly. 

Zay Jones heads for the corner of the end zone then cuts back abruptly toward the goal post, one handed catch,

BILLS WIN- 27-24

 

 

 

 

Alphadawg drops dead. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by whatdrought

[eball]

It's Thursday, and that uneasy feeling I had about this game earlier in the week is lessening by the hour.  I'm thinking that the Bills will experience a large carryover effect from their rousing 4th quarter comeback and hit the Giants between the eyes early and often.  This is not a prediction so much as a "gut feeling" but on Sunday we may witness the final start for Eli in a Giants uniform.