I now understand why the Bills passed on DK Metcalf

[MrEpsYtown]

I think DK is in a great spot. Being drafted a little later will probably put a chip on his shoulder and I hope he plays well for Seattle. Good luck to him. I am still glad we did not draft him in the top ten or the second round. Too much risk. 

[racketmaster]

Happy that Bills did not end up taking Metcalf as I began to think he was on their short list with the rumors swirling and DK seemingly fitting the athletic profile of this regime. Watching DK, you can be mesmerized at times by his size and speed but they are often followed by frustrating missed opportunities (drops and failed jump balls). DK may end up being a good fit in Seattle. He will have opportunity and Wilson throws a great deep ball which is what he is best at. Personally, I would have liked the Bills to find their way to AJ Brown but maybe there were some intangibles missing as Brown dropped further than what I would have thought.

[ProcessAccepted]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I actually didn’t want Metcalf but I really thought they’d get a WR in the 3rd or even in the 2nd. Now that the dust has cleared I’m going to really watching to see how our 2, 3, and 4 picks pan out. This year’s draft grade will hinge on those three guys.

 

Agree with you completely, this year is definitely different from other years past.

 

This years draft grade will come down to how the guys we drafted perform. ?

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

DK was already gone.  He went the last pick of the 2nd round.  Maybe the Bills would have taken him in the 3rd too.  RB shouldn't even be in the conversation since he was taken 10 picks later...

Great point. It seems like Beane just stuck to the Bills board and took the mythical “ BPA” that so many on this board are always clamoring for at draft time. Crazy that a 3rd round RB taken by a team with a lot of RBs can generate a gazillion page thread, but it has. 

[prissythecat]

23 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think DK is in a great spot. Being drafted a little later will probably put a chip on his shoulder and I hope he plays well for Seattle. Good luck to him. I am still glad we did not draft him in the top ten or the second round. Too much risk. 

 

 

Ahh.  One of the all time great sports cliches.  Out of curiousity,  how many athletes with these chips on their shoulder actually go on to shine ?   Is it a high percentage?

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, prissythecat said:

 

 

Ahh.  One of the all time great sports cliches.  Out of curiousity,  how many athletes with these chips on their shoulder actually go on to shine ?   Is it a high percentage?

 

Nope probably not. Most of them waste their money and we forget all about them, but this a boom or bust guy. He has a little more motivation to prove himself now. Will it happen? Who knows? 

[atlbillsfan1975]

40 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said:

Hyped or not, sounds like this guy doesn't even get a chance to prove himself to this board.  Just because he is not a Bill I am guessing. 

 

This is exactly how Josh Allen was treated last year

 

Not one mention of Sills either.  Did anyone pay attention past the 3rd round?  Sills led the nation in TDs over the last two years.

I personally wish D.K. all the best. If he turns out to be the next  young T.O then Seattle got a bargain. I have nothing against D.K. and will not root against him. The Bills had a lower draft value on him than the second round. Has anyone in Buffalo media asked Beane what grade they had on D.K.? 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Who on the team possesses DK's skill set? What WR? 

What skill set? To be able to run three NFL routes? 

 

The 3-cone drill results from the combine killed him in the draft for teams with GMs that needed something other then a straight line receiver. The guy scored in the bottom 3% of every player tested in the last 25 years. He is still looking for that last cone...

 

The Buffalo Bills learned their lesson from the PX 90 kid in the 2009 draft. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. 

[Malazan]

36 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Being drafted a little later will probably put a chip on his shoulder 

 

"Chip on his shoulder" in a way overplayed statement. It's basically saying that this guy wasn't going to give it all for the chance to earn millions and millions of dollars, but because he was drafted 15-20 spots later than some people thought he'd go...NOW he's going to give it his all..

[IgotBILLStopay]

Notwithstanding the reason for the fall from mythical Top 10 status, IMO he (and AJ Brown) did deserve to go before #40. Seattle got huge value picking him at #64. He would be especially useful on improvisational plays (where a QB is scrambling) where his lack of route running polish will get hidden and he can showcase his superior athleticism and catch radius. I think he is great for Russell Wilson (and would have been great for JA too). Would have been fun to have seen Metcalf fall to #74 just to see what the Beaneman thinks of him.

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

"Chip on his shoulder" in a way overplayed statement. It's basically saying that this guy wasn't going to give it all for the chance to earn millions and millions of dollars, but because he was drafted 15-20 spots later than some people thought he'd go...NOW he's going to give it his all..

 

I always took it to mean that he has a bit extra motivation to prove a group of people wrong. Not that he is now motivated more, but it's just an extra goal I suppose. Sometimes that gives you a little extra push. 

[Buddy Hix]

2 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

 

He has tremendous potential, there is no questioning that. The issue is, when is the right time to pull the trigger on potential? 

 

Beane said it best in his post-draft presser, he watched the board thinking “oh man i can’t believe some of these guys are still on the board”, but that he wanted to stay put instead of spending draft capital and messing with the big board. 

 

In years to come we may look back and say “man I’m glad we have Singletary instead of Metcalf”. 

 

It could also go the other way too. That’s the beauty of the draft. You trust your scouts and your guts and you build your team the way you see fit. I would have loved him in the 3rd or 4th, but I’m also happy with the way things panned out for the Bills this draft. 

Yeah, Beane gets the benefit of the doubt. Let’s hope he is correct.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Who on the team possesses DK's skill set? What WR? 

 

 

No one.  All of our WR's are better at running routes than DK.  

 

more worried about production than "skill set."   Not sure what skills DK has beyond combine numbers. 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

John brown has that straight ahead speed. That’s all dk has. Dk is like one of those racing semis. They go fast straight ahead but they can turn.  

DK's flaw was being a competitor and running the cone drills. He should've done like Julio and Calvin and said thanks, but no thanks to the cones

2 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

Maybe Yahoo Sports can get caught up in the hype but guys that watch thousands of hours of film, like Crabbs and the crew at TDN, had a high grade on DK.

 

I guess we’ll see how it turns out. Personally, I’d much rather have stayed put in round 2 and taken DK than have traded up for Ford. 

I'm hoping, for the Bills sake, that Crabbs and crew are wrong about him. 

[Kelly the Dog]

#87 in the NFL Rule Book: Stay away from diva WR and you end up with the Bills 2018 WR corps.

 

Not that I thought they should draft DK high.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Kelly the Dog

[Punching Bag]

24 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Notwithstanding the reason for the fall from mythical Top 10 status, IMO he (and AJ Brown) did deserve to go before #40. 

 

Did you send letters to each team #40 to #61 and tell them they were incompetent? 

 

If he SHOULD have gone before #40 he would have.

7 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

 

No one.  All of our WR's are better at running routes than DK.  

 

more worried about production than "skill set."   Not sure what skills DK has beyond combine numbers. 

 

 

 

I think he means getting his willie wet.

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 hours ago, Toesy said:

The funny thing about that article and Metcalf's shirtless photos-you can walk into a gym in any fair sized city and there will be a few guys or more who have a lot more impressive builds than Metcalf-it doesn't make you an NFL star.

 

Got an address for one of those gyms? Asking for a friend.?

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

John brown has that straight ahead speed. That’s all dk has. Dk is like one of those racing semis. They go fast straight ahead but they can turn.  

Don Beebe had stiff hips and could not turn well either. Had the same straight line speed.

 

He was a good role player though and DK may have that same ceiling, so high pick was and is not his value.

[aristocrat]

3 minutes ago, cba fan said:

Don Beebe had stiff hips and could not turn well either. Had the same straight line speed.

 

He was a good role player though and DK may have that same ceiling, so high pick was and is not his value.

 

with wilson that's the perfect spot for dk. russ loves to throw up 50 50 balls and can throw deep. if dk doesn't succeed there he won't anywhere. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

John brown has that straight ahead speed. That’s all dk has. Dk is like one of those racing semis. They go fast straight ahead but they can turn.  

He's like those Olympic sprinters that try pro ball and never make it.

[IgotBILLStopay]

36 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Did you send letters to each team #40 to #61 and tell them they were incompetent? 

 

If he SHOULD have gone before #40 he would have.

 

I think he means getting his willie wet.

A bit harsh there. Everyone has opinions. Didnt Beane just say (on WGR radio) that Sills should have been drafted over a  bunch of WRs that were actually drafted.  Or Tyree Jackson. We are not asking him to send letters to all those teams saying they were incompetent. The whole fun of being on this forum is that we can second guess picks and offer our opinions, no? FWIW,  I made it clear with "IMO" that what I said was opinion, not fact. 

[BillsfaninSB]

This debate comes down to Cody Ford versus DK.  Simple as that.   I’m so glad we took Cody Ford.  Would pick him all day long.

 

Would it have been nice to have the option in the 3rd to pick DK?  It sure would have but it did not happen. 

 

[Buddy Hix]

51 minutes ago, the skycap said:

DK's flaw was being a competitor and running the cone drills. He should've done like Julio and Calvin and said thanks, but no thanks to the cones

I'm hoping, for the Bills sake, that Crabbs and crew are wrong about him. 

You raise a good point about skipping the cone drills, I hadn't thought of that. The decision to do the cone drills most likely cost him a good chunk of change.

[thunderingsquid]

At least he will come in to Cheney with a chip on his shoulder.  We'll see but he landed in a fan friendly spot with a good qb.  

 

Russell Wilson liked this pick, but it will take some getting used to, most of his receivers are like 5'6".    

[LABILLBACKER]

David Boston....zzzzz

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I actually didn’t want Metcalf but I really thought they’d get a WR in the 3rd or even in the 2nd. Now that the dust has cleared I’m going to really watching to see how our 2, 3, and 4 picks pan out. This year’s draft grade will hinge on those three guys.

Cody Ford is going to make this a A just by himself

3 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

Not many that I've been to...

 

Its a good thing that football play is not solely based on this.......

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

None are the physical specimen that DK is. 

 

He is your 50/50 guy. The guy who can go up and get the ball..... he may flame out but I'd much rather they take a shot with him and at least make a better attempt at putting the recievers around Allen.

 

Josh Brown and Beasley are essentially slot recievers/borderline number 2's. 

 

Love what they did with the offensive line but if Foster comes back down to earth or any substantial injuries to the WR corps and they are right back where they were last year.... Having Allen pass to a boat load of trash.

Brown is not a slot.....is is an outside deep threat guy

[brianthomas]

All these people here saying "he has a high ceiling". What makes you think that? Because the guy has big muscles? Or is it from being imprinted by the media frenzy around him?

Perhaps claiming a guy has a high ceiling amounts to saying he's either gonna make it or he's not. But thats not what a high ceiling means.

DK is a gym rat, has big muscles & can run really fast, in a straight line. Maybe its his muscles that hurt his agility, isn't that kind of the rub on big guys like that? They don't have the flexibility to make quick lateral moves or twitches? His production at Ole Miss was decent but nothing many other wr's havent had more of. As a specimen, he mustve dominated most others at his level, yet he didnt dominate at Ole Miss, but people expect him to in the NFL? And like many have mentioned, he doesn't run the full route tree.

So once again, why do people still insist he has a high ceiling? I'd really like to know.

Its the muscles isn't it? That picture of him shirtless really made an impact

[MAJBobby]

Here is the question.  

 

Did he really fall?  Or did he get selected where he was always going to be selected and hence never attended the Draft?  

 

Was the Social Media barrage part of a Agent strategy to make the NFL teams see him for what he and they know that he wasn’t??

 

 

the is why I always like people losing their minds over the “falls”. Just like The Butler WR. Is there really a big push for a WR that can catch?

Edited April 29, 2019 by MAJBobby

[akm0404]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

David Boston....zzzzz

 

Not a DK guy, but using Boston as the counter-point doesn't really do what you think it does.

 

Boton's athletic gifts ABSOLUTELY translated to the NFL, as evidenced by his 2001 season where he caught a hundred passes for 1600 yards and 8 TDs - the 22nd best single season for any receiver in NFL history.

 

His failings, unfortunately, were more of a personal nature than a physical one, and he never got to fully live his potential.

[billsfan89]

I would have liked the Bill's to have traded up for DK around pick 58, probably would have been a modest price. But I am not an NFL scout or GM so my opinion is worthless. 

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

John brown has that straight ahead speed. That’s all dk has. Dk is like one of those racing semis. They go fast straight ahead but they can turn.  

If you want to be over-simplistic about it, that's all Megatron had too. He wasn't agile at all.

[Toesy]

Megatron had great hands and at his best he could be double covered and the QB could just throw it up there and he would come away with the ball.

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I can’t believe this guys still being talked about this much on here, receiver was not a huge need and definitely not as much as some make it out to be. D.K. might very well turn into a great receiver but they just didn’t want him. Doesn’t make it a bad decision, we’re already breaking in a ton of new players on offense. If they feel we’re a receiver away from a serious run I’m sure Beane will pay the price to get one. The team is setup nicely, to the point they can spend a lot of draft capital and make a huge move if they need to or someone becomes available. This season is not going to make or break on a rookie receiver 

 

Good post especially the bolded.  The NEED for a #1 receiver seems to me at times to be overhyped.

The Bills have not had a QB and a game plan to give enough attempts to any WR to put him into #1 status.

 

The 1,000+ yards a season threshold that many use always makes me wonder is this more fantasy football or NFL.

The older conventional wisdom of a #1, #2, #3 ranked receiver on a team is not something carved in stone in todays NFL.

 

This will be the first real year to see what Daboll's system will be with Josh Allen.

If this years WRs do not "cut it" talent wise then I expect new ones next year.

Improvements to the OL/RB/TE were made this year and I am hoping next year the Bills can find their DeAndre Hopkins.

I don't think DK Metcalf is going to be Hopkins.

[billspro]

4 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

Hype or not, as a combine warrior alone, I would have been thrilled with DK in the 3rd round. Far more than a RB. It’s not like D.K. didn’t produce when not injured. 

 

If his neck is healthy he is going to be a great WR for the Seahawks. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was the best WR in the draft.

[Rocket94]

What is wrong with John Brown? The guy is a professional and is a real deep threat. None of this year's wr class would be any better. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Rocket94

[ndirish1978]

I think we wanted AJ Brown and bailed on the WR position after he was drafted. Got Sills as an UDFA, who I grade just about as well as most of the rest of the guys who went rds 5-7

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

#87 in the NFL Rule Book: Stay away from diva WR and you end up with the Bills 2018 WR corps.

 

Not that I thought they should draft DK high.

 

 

1) Right on. 

 

2) Rule #1.........do what it takes to maximize production from the QB position.   Especially for a YOUNG QB.

 

I like Cody Ford and he will be a swell guard or maybe even RT and Singletary was my favorite RB in a D grade class.........but job #1 of the organization is to prop up a young QB.

 

Sounds nice to say the running game is a young QB's best friend.........has a very retro, 90's feel to it..........but wasn't that the point of signing 6 OL and 2 RB's in UFA?

 

Compare what the Rams did for Goff to what the Bills are doing for Allen.   It's sink or swim for JA by comparison.

 

We can talk all we want about the value of picks..........it felt great to get Ed Oliver because it filled a need with a talented player........ but here's the reality.........McD has made 4 first round selections and 3 have been defenders.

 

It's not going to change itself.

 

Until they become more QB-centric then long term success is going to remain out of reach.

 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

None are the physical specimen that DK is. 

 

He is your 50/50 guy. The guy who can go up and get the ball..... he may flame out but I'd much rather they take a shot with him and at least make a better attempt at putting the recievers around Allen.

 

Josh Brown and Beasley are essentially slot recievers/borderline number 2's. 

 

Love what they did with the offensive line but if Foster comes back down to earth or any substantial injuries to the WR corps and they are right back where they were last year.... Having Allen pass to a boat load of trash.

Everyone seems to be hung up on the idea of the so called #1 WR. You don’t have to have one player like a Julio Jones to have an effective  pass offense. Look at the Rams. I would not call any of their receivers a #1. They are all very good but none of them compare to Julio, OBJ, or Hopkins. My opinion is that you can have a good passing game with a collection of players that can do some things well but aren’t able to do everything well. A group of receivers that complement each other is easier to create than finding the next Julio Jones. I will settle for a group of complementary receivers until we have the next OBJ, Hopkins, or Julio land on our roster. Those guys don’t come around very often.

[muppy]

4 hours ago, Heavy Kevi said:

I wanted Metcalf, and would have been happy with him in rd2, especially without trading up.

 

I have always understood he has a high "bust factor", but his ceiling is just so freakin' high. Because of his size/speed, if he could clean up his release and work on catching with his hands he has a chance to be top 3 in the league.

 

I know it's a long shot, but he seems like the WR version of Allen.

 

At this point, I understand Beane's route, and am ok with who he drafted. He does know worlds more than I do when it comes to football, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least a little worried about DK becoming a marquee player that we passed on.

Don't torture yourself with woulda coulda shoulda's as far as draft picks are concerned if we were to get really caught up in THAT kind of drama passing on Khalil Mack for Sammy, passing on Patrick Mahomes u catch my drift you can look at most any draft and do that its basically pointless and depressing lol