Bills host OG Quinton Spain from Titans***Update...SIGNED***

[3rdand12]

11 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

An upgrade over Nsekhe would be nice, but Nsekhe is already a considerable upgrade over Mills.

perhaps we will find out .
 but i get your drift.

 i meant that Mills seems to have a market after the Bills. I was commenting on how Bills O line last year had no marketable players. well there is one with some hits/pings : )
 

[JerseyBills]

28 minutes ago, Rubes said:

Please make this happen on Monday. Looking for a good start to the week.

Yea this would essentially shore up the line and create some really good competition to determine the best 5, besides maybe a late Rd pick , we don't need to draft OL either .

 

I just hope McDermott establishes the 5 much earlier than last year. I didn't like the shuffling so deep into the pre season last year but when you look at what he was working with, it's understandable.  I love that at least Morse and Allen can start creating chemistry from day 1 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

That's pretty much why Bryce Harper chose the Phillies over the Giants, even though the Giants offered a bigger contract.

He sure screwed that one up.  I don’t understand why anyone would choose philly over SF.   Just doesn’t make sense.  Grats Bryce, you can take more money with you to your grave.  If money isn’t an object, west coast >> east coast by a long shot.  No offense to anyone.  

 

You’ve been west coast for awhile iirc?

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

perhaps we will find out .
 but i get your drift.

 i meant that Mills seems to have a market after the Bills. I was commenting on how Bills O line last year had no marketable players. well there is one with some hits/pings : )
 

 

Mills wasn't bad as an individual player at RT, he seemed to struggle with his assignments in masked rushes / gap integrity.

At least that's how I seen it.

I'm sure someone will pick him up after the draft for depth.

 

The Miller contract that CIN gave is what shocked me!

[Mark Vader]

27 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He sure screwed that one up.  I don’t understand why anyone would choose philly over SF.   Just doesn’t make sense.  Grats Bryce, you can take more money with you to your grave.  If money isn’t an object, west coast >> east coast by a long shot.  No offense to anyone.  

 

You’ve been west coast for awhile iirc?

I've been west coast all 45 years of my life.

Edited March 31, 2019 by Mark Vader

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Yea this would essentially shore up the line and create some really good competition to determine the best 5, besides maybe a late Rd pick , we don't need to draft OL either .

 

I just hope McDermott establishes the 5 much earlier than last year. I didn't like the shuffling so deep into the pre season last year but when you look at what he was working with, it's understandable.  I love that at least Morse and Allen can start creating chemistry from day 1 

 

Center and the left side would be quickly established with Spain/Dawkins (I think he has an improved season with Nsekhe as competition and better LG play).

Nsekhe/Waddle compete for RT with Nsekhe as backup LT.

RG could take some time being that Long/Feliciano have limited RG snaps (from what I have found they played the LG mostly).

 

Beane probably will have to overpay Spain and sign him to a longer contract than he would like but...............have to keep Josh clean this year.

 

 

[Rubes]

32 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Beane probably will have to overpay Spain and sign him to a longer contract than he would like but...............have to keep Josh clean this year.

 

I’m all for spending the money we have in the most important places...OL and DL.

[gonzo1105]

I love all the assumptions just reading through. Idk what the guys thought process is but not everyone loves Los Angeles, not everyone loves Buffalo. Different lifestyles for different people. 

 

You know whats probably going to make his decision. Money and who’s going to give him the best opportunity to make more money in the future. 

[NewEra]

57 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I've been west coast all 45 years of my life.

Nice.  Glad I was born easy coast so I can appreciate the west coast more.  Lol.  First 24 years back east, last 20 years in Vegas 

[beerme1]

20 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Long, Nsekhe - Waddle backup T, Feliciano/Teller backup IOL. Nsekhe and Long offer great position flex should we need to shuffle due to injury.

 

 

Seeing this makes me feel like we're going to be in the NFL again!

[Lv-Bills]

13 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

It's not about being comfortable necessarily.  The Rams have a better football team than we do, they have a more heralded coach, and just because a guy is from the sticks, went to school in WVA and played in Nashville doesn't mean that the he wouldn't LIKE the opportunity to move to California if it presented itself. 

 

I'm from WNY, I've lived in Southeastern PA for 20+ years now and I'd move to Arizona tomorrow given the opportunity.  I really like it there, particularly the Flagstaff area.  There is no obvious connection that anyone could see looking at my bio but if I had professional opportunities in WNY or Flagstaff and I had to choose one, WNY would have to pay me SIGNIFICANTLY more money.  These guys travel.  He's been to a lot of the cities in the NFL and I'm sure he has preferences based on that at a minimum.

For whatever it's worth......

 

Yeah, he isn't really from the sticks.  He grew up in Petersburg, VA which is part of a tri-cities area that has about 70,000 people living there.  Mostly a ghetto area, and rough athletic high school area with really good football and basketball.  Couple that with living about 20 miles south of another 1.3 million people in the Richmond metro area, and he most likely isn't considered a country bumpkin.  

[4merper4mer]

On March 31, 2019 at 10:12 AM, That's No Moon said:

It's not about being comfortable necessarily.  The Rams have a better football team than we do, they have a more heralded coach, and just because a guy is from the sticks, went to school in WVA and played in Nashville doesn't mean that the he wouldn't LIKE the opportunity to move to California if it presented itself. 

 

I'm from WNY, I've lived in Southeastern PA for 20+ years now and I'd move to Arizona tomorrow given the opportunity.  I really like it there, particularly the Flagstaff area.  There is no obvious connection that anyone could see looking at my bio but if I had professional opportunities in WNY or Flagstaff and I had to choose one, WNY would have to pay me SIGNIFICANTLY more money.  These guys travel.  He's been to a lot of the cities in the NFL and I'm sure he has preferences based on that at a minimum.

News flash:. The BuffaloBills have signed ten free agents this off season, many of which had other options.  Sources say that it appears That's No Moon's geographic preferences will have no impact on Spain's decision.

Edited April 1, 2019 by 4merper4mer

[MrEpsYtown]

ok its Monday f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5

[1ManRaid]

31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

ok its Monday f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5f5

Great, Brock Lesnar got back onto the board.  We'll be stuck with him till Sunday now.

[Rufridr101]

The reason I believe Quinton Spain prefers the rams and California are because of the story when a woman slipped him a micky and robbed him of 20% of his salary for a year.  Giving me the feeling he's a flashy guy and not a small market guy

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said:

The reason I believe Quinton Spain prefers the rams and California are because of the story when a woman slipped him a micky and robbed him of 20% of his salary for a year.  Giving me the feeling he's a flashy guy and not a small market guy

I had no idea what you were talking about but what a crazy story!  https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2691105-titans-ol-quinton-spain-allegedly-drugged-robbed-by-woman-met-at-orlando-club.amp.html

 

it happened in Orlando, so it wasn’t exactly a big place.  But maybe LA might be a little too much for him. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I had no idea what you were talking about but what a crazy story!  https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2691105-titans-ol-quinton-spain-allegedly-drugged-robbed-by-woman-met-at-orlando-club.amp.html

 

it happened in Orlando, so it wasn’t exactly a big place.  But maybe LA might be a little too much for him. 

 

 

Yeah if you look around the internet about him he's an interesting character for an offensive guard.

 

There was some fanalyst who had a bunch of metrics that measured OL specific movement that indicated he was well above the norm for even All Pro level players. 

[Saint Doug]

32 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I had no idea what you were talking about but what a crazy story!  https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2691105-titans-ol-quinton-spain-allegedly-drugged-robbed-by-woman-met-at-orlando-club.amp.html

 

it happened in Orlando, so it wasn’t exactly a big place.  But maybe LA might be a little too much for him. 

Nothing beats IK Enemkpali’s story though. 

[freddyjj]

35 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I had no idea what you were talking about but what a crazy story!  https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2691105-titans-ol-quinton-spain-allegedly-drugged-robbed-by-woman-met-at-orlando-club.amp.html

 

it happened in Orlando, so it wasn’t exactly a big place.  But maybe LA might be a little too much for him. 

Yes I posted it yesterday.  Just recently married in late FEB so maybe he will settle down.

[Rocky Landing]

On 3/30/2019 at 8:10 PM, ndirish1978 said:

Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Long, Nsekhe - Waddle backup T, Feliciano/Teller backup IOL. Nsekhe and Long offer great position flex should we need to shuffle due to injury.

Nsekhe says himself that he is less effective on the right side. Dawkins has shown himself as such. I'm wondering if they don't move Dawkins in to LG (which, I believe, was his position at the draft), and Nsekhe at LT? Could we see Nsekhe, Dawkins, Morse, Spain, Waddle/TBD?

 

Also, I'm not sure we can assume Nsekhe or Long offer a whole lot of versatility. Long was apparently a train wreck at center.

[Logic]

This is like a low key Bryant Johnson watch. I dig it.

[BillsFanForever19]

Don't read too much into FA follows on Social Media. Remember when LeVeon Bell started following Shady and Gore a couple weeks back amidst "rumors"?

 

It's generally them trying to get another team to think they might go elsewhere. Or perhaps in Spain's situation, maybe he met some people in his visits that have him wanting to keep in touch going forward. 

 

Seems like everytime this happens - it's meaningless.

[thenorthremembers]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Don't read too much into FA follows on Social Media. Remember when LeVeon Bell started following Shady and Gore a couple weeks back amidst "rumors"?

 

It's generally them trying to get another team to think they might go elsewhere. Or perhaps in Spain's situation, maybe he met some people in his visits that have him wanting to keep in touch going forward. 

 

Seems like everytime this happens - it's 

Agent ploy.  Pretty sure the Jets were the only team in on Bell and at that point they were competing against themselves.

[Paul Costa]

1 hour ago, Rufridr101 said:

The reason I believe Quinton Spain prefers the rams and California are because of the story when a woman slipped him a micky and robbed him of 20% of his salary for a year.  Giving me the feeling he's a flashy guy and not a small market guy

Deep thoughts ? into another’s psyche ?interesting 

[apuszczalowski]

22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Agent ploy.  Pretty sure the Jets were the only team in on Bell and at that point they were competing against themselves.

I picture that as a pretty good comedy routine where the Jets call his agent and make their offer, then call back to say in interested party just made an offer (referring to the jets offer) where the Jets then make a counter. His agent calls back and says that the interested team upped their offer and the Jets up theirs again until finally they say it's too much, then his agent calls back and says good news, the other team is out and he will sign with the Jets.....

[Not at the table Karlos]

52 minutes ago, Logic said:

This is like a low key Bryant Johnson watch. I dig it.

How many years did that go on for

[thenorthremembers]

15 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

I picture that as a pretty good comedy routine where the Jets call his agent and make their offer, then call back to say in interested party just made an offer (referring to the jets offer) where the Jets then make a counter. His agent calls back and says that the interested team upped their offer and the Jets up theirs again until finally they say it's too much, then his agent calls back and says good news, the other team is out and he will sign with the Jets.....

I am not sure that isn't exactly how it went.  He and his agent had a pretty good routine going for two or three days until the Jets said sign or we are out of it.   He was trying hard to get the money he lost last year.  Still think he was getting terrible advice.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I hope this comes together. Would be a great add.

[Mark Long Beach]

If I were to hazard a guess, I don't think he's getting signed before the draft.

 

My guess is that the reason he isn't signed yet is that he's asking for more money than anyone wants to pay him right now.   But that could change a lot after the draft.  If someone needs a guard and doesn't draft one high, they might be willing to pay his demands.

 

Of course the risk for him is that enough of the desperate teams fill their slots with a newly drafted guard and therefore won't pony up the high end money for him.    

 

A game of chicken while gambling for contract money.

[John from Riverside]

Just pay him a little extra and get it done.......you do this and your OL is set for starters going into the season and we can gamble on a project OL later in the draft because of it.

[That's No Moon]

9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

News flash:. The BuffaloBills have signed ten free agents this off season, many of which had other options.  Sources say that it appears That's No Moon's geographic preferences will have no impact on Spain's decision.

Jesus Christ, did you even read the post I was responding to?  The person I was responding to was speculating that Spain would prefer Buffalo because of his background.  All I did was point out that his background doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where he wants to play now. ?

Edited April 1, 2019 by That's No Moon

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Mark Long Beach said:

If I were to hazard a guess, I don't think he's getting signed before the draft.

 

My guess is that the reason he isn't signed yet is that he's asking for more money than anyone wants to pay him right now.   But that could change a lot after the draft.  If someone needs a guard and doesn't draft one high, they might be willing to pay his demands.

 

Of course the risk for him is that enough of the desperate teams fill their slots with a newly drafted guard and therefore won't pony up the high end money for him.    

 

A game of chicken while gambling for contract money.

I think you have this backward.  He will get more before the draft.  The risk he runs is that some team interested in him drafts a good guard and drops out of bidding.  As fewer teams are interested, the price teams are willing to pay will go down. 

 

He isn't signed yet because no one needs a guard as badly as he would like to think.  He has to recognize that people aren't going to pay as much as he wants. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Just pay him a little extra and get it done.......you do this and your OL is set for starters going into the season and we can gamble on a project OL later in the draft because of it.

 

What’s a little extra?  For all we know, he’s looking for 7-9 mill a year.  No ty.  

24 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I think you have this backward.  He will get more before the draft.  The risk he runs is that some team interested in him drafts a good guard and drops out of bidding.  As fewer teams are interested, the price teams are willing to pay will go down. 

 

He isn't signed yet because no one needs a guard as badly as he would like to think.  He has to recognize that people aren't going to pay as much as he wants. 

And then there are OTA and training camp injuries to think about.  You never really know how someone’s value will fluctuate over the off season

[Shaw66]

47 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

And then there are OTA and training camp injuries to think about.  You never really know how someone’s value will fluctuate over the off season

I think as a general rule, the more time that goes by, the more your value goes down.  Yes, it's true that injuries occasionally may make a guy more valuable, but I think even that is unusual. 

 

A guy like Beane decides how much a guy is worth, and he doesn't pay more.  In Spain's case, for example, Beane has a price he's willing to pay.   One reason Spain hasn't signed, perhaps, is he doesn't like the money.  A second is that he doesn't like the competition. He's a afraid that the money that Beane is offering isn't real, because there's some chance he gets cut and never makes even what Beane is offering.  When a guard in Buffalo gets hurt, Beane doesn't think Spain is more valuable, but Buffalo just became more attractive to Spain, because he's closer to a guaranteed spot on the roster. 

 

You have to remember that as far as Beane is concerned, free agents are stopgaps.  They are guys he hires to fill a spot until he drafts a guy who will be the guy he wants.  So Beane is not going to overspend.   Now, when Beane thinks he may be going to the Super Bowl and he desperately needs a guard, yeah, then he might overpay Spain to get to the Super Bowl.  But Beane isn't in that position, so I doubt he's overspending. 

[John from Riverside]

56 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

What’s a little extra?  For all we know, he’s looking for 7-9 mill a year.  No ty.  

And then there are OTA and training camp injuries to think about.  You never really know how someone’s value will fluctuate over the off season

Obviously there is a cap on the "little extra" lol

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Nsekhe says himself that he is less effective on the right side. Dawkins has shown himself as such. I'm wondering if they don't move Dawkins in to LG (which, I believe, was his position at the draft), and Nsekhe at LT? Could we see Nsekhe, Dawkins, Morse, Spain, Waddle/TBD?

 

Also, I'm not sure we can assume Nsekhe or Long offer a whole lot of versatility. Long was apparently a train wreck at center.

injured thumb or something ?

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I had no idea what you were talking about but what a crazy story!  https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2691105-titans-ol-quinton-spain-allegedly-drugged-robbed-by-woman-met-at-orlando-club.amp.html

 

it happened in Orlando, so it wasn’t exactly a big place.  But maybe LA might be a little too much for him. 

 

L.A. Proved too much for the man
(Too much for the man, he couldn't make it)

So he’s joining the OLine in Buffalo, oohhh
(He said he's goin')

Makin’ holes for running backs to find
(Running backs to find)
Ooh ooh ooh, what's left of McCoy
The moves he left behind
Not so long ago

Spain’s goin' back to find
(Goin' back to find)
Ooh, a simpler place in time
(Whenever he takes that ride) ooh
(Guess who's gonna be right by his side) (Mitch Morse?)

[Rico]

16 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

 

L.A. Proved too much for the man
(Too much for the man, he couldn't make it)

So he’s joining the OLine in Buffalo, oohhh
(He said he's goin')

Makin’ holes for running backs to find
(Running backs to find)
Ooh ooh ooh, what's left of McCoy
The moves he left behind
Not so long ago

Spain’s goin' back to find
(Goin' back to find)
Ooh, a simpler place in time
(Whenever he takes that ride) ooh
(Guess who's gonna be right by his side) (Mitch Morse?)

You are quite the songster, YE OLE!

[5ths the charm]

Spain was on a horrible line why do we assume he is good?

[K-9]

32 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

 

L.A. Proved too much for the man
(Too much for the man, he couldn't make it)

So he’s joining the OLine in Buffalo, oohhh
(He said he's goin')

Makin’ holes for running backs to find
(Running backs to find)
Ooh ooh ooh, what's left of McCoy
The moves he left behind
Not so long ago

Spain’s goin' back to find
(Goin' back to find)
Ooh, a simpler place in time
(Whenever he takes that ride) ooh
(Guess who's gonna be right by his side) (Mitch Morse?)