Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Decision is needed by May 3rd - What say you Two bills drive?! I voted yes - mostly because cap space isn't at a premium for next year, and you can cancel it for any reason other than injury. Edited March 22, 2019 by dneveu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I think he has developed nicely so i personally would pick it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Yes, he's come along nicely and is still developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I would vote for option 3, work to extend him without exercising the option. Barring that, I would pick up the option. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Certainly would pick it up for the depth in rotation if nothing else - while he may never live up to his pick, I like the guy and his work ethic on the DL. He's willing to play multiple tech roles and while he hasn't been dominant, he has shown he can at least be effective at each. See how this year goes and since he likely won't command a huge payday, we'll have the additional option to re-sign him if this year goes well. At least the FO gets to go through the draft before deciding. Wouldn't make sense to pick it up prior to the draft. Edited March 22, 2019 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I said no because I don't think he's going to be commanding big bucks after this year, if we like him lets just sign him long term and get it done long term while its relatively pain free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Waiting to see how the draft goes. If a top pass rusher slips and we grab him, bye Shaq, if not, might as well keep Shaq around. Edited March 22, 2019 by Buddy Hix 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Yes, he's come along nicely and is still developing. For a 19th overall pick, he shouldn't still be in a developing stage...but last year was his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I said no because he doesn't seem like much of a pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: For a 19th overall pick, he shouldn't still be in a developing stage...but last year was his best. Agree with this. But we should not have picked him at #19. He plays like a guy drafted in the 2nd or 3rd, where he should have been taken. He's still good depth and/or that ability to be an average to above-average starter, and as you stated, last year was his best, so I'd def exercise the 5th year option. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, dneveu said: Decision is needed by May 3rd - What say you Two bills drive?! I voted yes - mostly because cap space isn't at a premium for next year, and you can cancel it for any reason other than injury. Exactly my sentiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I think no. I hope the Bills draft a DE and extend Hughes. If Lawson has a good year, try to extend him during the season or tag him at season end with the intention of extending. If can"t reach a deal, trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 What is the amount for the option? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) It’s an easy no for me. He’s a decent rotation guy that won’t command much money. I’d let it play out and try to sign him after the season is up. Edited March 22, 2019 by Bangarang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: What is the amount for the option? somewhere around top 25 money. the 3rd-25th highest Prior Year Salaries for the player’s position will be used. Edited March 22, 2019 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Use that money on Hughes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Yes, they should pick it up. He's probably not worth the salary, but given it's only 1 year and we have the cash, I'd do it. In a cap crunch, I'd say no. But that's not where we are. 12 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: What is the amount for the option? I've seen 10 million reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Pretty torn on this one but I said no. You ultimately have to pay the guy 12.7 million for that year, 13th highest paid Defensive End in the league, just between Brandon Graham and Dante Fowler. Cap Room or not if you're not intending on signing him long term you can use the 12.7 and put it towards signing someone like Yannick Ngakoue who is a far superior player. You'd be better off letting him hit the open market and see if you can bring him back at a lower per year deal if you want him back that bad. He has been nothing more than a good rotational player who has missed 25% of his games. He doesnt have roster value at the 5th round option level. Pass Because he wasnt a top ten pick his option is the average of the 3rd-25th highest paid players at his position. Edited March 22, 2019 by thenorthremembers 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Pretty torn on this one but I said no. You ultimately have to pay the guy 12.7 million for that year, 13th highest paid Defensive End in the league, just between Brandon Graham and Dante Fowler. Cap Room or not if you're not intending on signing him long term you can use the 12.7 and put it towards signing someone like Yannick Ngakoue who is a far superior player. You'd be better off letting him hit the open market and see if you can bring him back at a lower per year deal if you want him back that bad. He has been nothing more than a good rotational player who has missed 25% of his games. He doesnt have roster value at the 5th round option level. Pass Because he wasnt a 1st round pick his option is the average of the 3rd-25th highest paid players at his position. It's a gamble either way - pick it up and he gets hurt, you're stuck with him. If you don't pick it up and he has a career year, you have to pay him more. The 3rd option is pick it up - and if he doesn't get hurt, you have the flexibility to cut him with no cap ramifications, or keep him and pay him the contract. Lot of different ways this could play out - but assuming we're carrying a healthy amount of space over into 2020 (we have 75 million currently available in 2020 without carrying anything over, and we have 33 currently available in the top 51 that would carry over), I'd be open to the risk I think. We only have a couple of higher profile free agents in Hughes, Lorax, Phillips, and McCoy - so no major extensions looming for 2020 specifically. Assuming Lorax/McCoy are gone and replaced with younger players that would just leave Hughes/Phillips as the only real candidates to extend. Edited March 22, 2019 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Let's see what happens in the draft first. But I'm leaning towards yes. He's clearly an improving player. We have plenty of cap space again next season, and the option is basically just tacking one season onto his contract. If he doesn't get any better or declines, we are basically stuck overpaying him for one season. Not a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Waiting to see how the draft goes. If a top pass rusher slips and we grab him, bye Shaq, if not, might as well keep Shaq around. I voted yes, but this was exactly my thinking as well. Wait to see what happens in the draft and who might fall to us. Then make the choice on that 5th year option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 i can't say either way until after the draft, but if we go edge early in the draft, i would kick shaq inside and rotate(or combine) murphy and lorax at end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Yes, they have plenty of cap room and no significant injury issues since his shoulder surgery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I vote yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: What is the amount for the option? ...north of $10 million........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) I don't see Beane doing a fifth year deal. I think he will try to sign him to new contract before he let's him go. Bean thinks before he opens the Pegulas wallet. Edited March 22, 2019 by Mark92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I would be on board for 5-7 mil. Can't do 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, dneveu said: Decision is needed by May 3rd - What say you Two bills drive?! I voted yes - mostly because cap space isn't at a premium for next year, and you can cancel it for any reason other than injury. You need to include what that option costs in your poll, title, or post so folks can make a better decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, dneveu said: Decision is needed by May 3rd - What say you Two bills drive?! I voted yes - mostly because cap space isn't at a premium for next year, and you can cancel it for any reason other than injury. I voted yes also . Maybe it can entice him even more to ball out next yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 No way. He does not provide a pass rush. He's a decent rotational guy, but not worth a 5th year option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 My first thought was yes, he holds the edge well against the run and fills the rotation well. I'd like to have him on the team. However... When I saw that his option would be in the $12M range, this becomes a cost/value assessment that isn't so easy. To pay a player, who may be the 50th best at his position the salary of the 13th best at his position is not a recipe for a competitive roster. It makes sense to either sign another player to take his place or to extend his contract for his market value. The fifth year option doesn't make sense for a player who hasn't played up to his first round draft status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 voted yes as can revoke before next year per below: For first-rounders picked outside the top 10, the calculation is a little more complicated. These players’ fifth-year option also relies on the previous year’s salaries at the player’s position, but it’s determined by the average of the third through 25th top salaries at that position. So we could come up with estimates for the 2019 option salary for players like Melvin Gordon, Byron Jones, and Trae Waynes, but they’re not set in stone quite yet. Fifth-year options are guaranteed for injury only between May 3 and the start of the following league year. As such, they’re not entirely risk-free, but as long as the player remains healthy, a team could exercise his fifth-year option, then cut him before his option year gets underway without being on the hook for his salary. When the league year begins, the player’s fifth-year salary becomes guaranteed for skill and cap purposes, as well as injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: You need to include what that option costs in your poll, title, or post so folks can make a better decision. Can't figure out how to edit it - the amount would be about 12.3 million based on the average of the average annual value of the contracts ranked 3-25 on sportrac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I agree with whoever said option 3. Give him a 2 or 3 year extension at way less than it will cost to pick up the option. 1 year option 13M. 3 year deal worth 21. He will take the guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I went with NO as well. He has value but not near the 12 million. Plus as we all know the old regimes players are mostly gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Is he even a starter? Most sites have Trent ahead of Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Bills2ref said: I would vote for option 3, work to extend him without exercising the option. Barring that, I would pick up the option. I'd agree with a reasonable extension. I feel like we could probably do better than $10M in FA though, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 It's a no. If he has a breakout year and suddenly turns from rotational LDE into a great player........then you can franchise him and see if he can do it again. Yeah.......that costs you an extra $5M+ on next years cap..........but if the argument is that they have PLENTY of cap room then why guarantee $10M-$12M and risk him blowing out a knee in December when he could be coming off yet another season where he is giving you performance that on it's own would probably only yield a short term contract in the $2M-$4M AAV range? The smart play here is to dangle that free agency carrot in front of his face and see if he can focus and raise his game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's a no. If he has a breakout year and suddenly turns from rotational LDE into a great player........then you can franchise him and see if he can do it again. Yeah.......that costs you an extra $5M+ on next years cap..........but if the argument is that they have PLENTY of cap room then why guarantee $10M-$12M and risk him blowing out a knee in December when he could be coming off yet another season where he is giving you performance that on it's own would probably only yield a short term contract in the $2M-$4M AAV range? The smart play here is to dangle that free agency carrot in front of his face and see if he can focus and raise his game. I have to think that this is what they'll do. If he has a huge year (not likely), he'll be worth that franchise tag money anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 How much is the option? If it's over 5-6M/yr, I'm holding off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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