Estelle Getty Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) The holding call on the Rams center early in the fourth after Gurleys 13 yard run was no doubt the turning point in the game. Instead of first and 10 on the *patriots 43 after just tying the game and with all of the momentum the Rams faced a 1 and 20 in their own territory. They went on to punt and the *pats scored the game winning touchdown. I have watched that replay 10 times and there is no way that should have ever been called a hold. It’s these “inconspicuous” type of blatant calls in the NFL that have the ratings for the Superbowl at a 10 year low. The point being people like me are realizing there are just to many variables to be able to win a game in the NFL, with the refs being number 1. You really have to hope that your team is “allowed” to win. The Rams never really had a chance and it was made clear after that atrocious call. The *pats were penalized TWO TIMES up until the *pats last drive when the game was already over. How do they play such perfect football? But it isn’t really all about the refs. There are as many uncotrolled variables as a poker tournement with 3,000 people. No matter how good you are at the end you need the right run of cards and about a million other tiny things to go your way. That is the odds of your team winning the Big Game if your not the *pats. No matter how good you are in the NFL the refs, injuries, freak plays, and many other factors make the NFL a game of luck which is sad to me. People are realizing it’s all about luck unless your the *pats and winning the Superbowl is just like hitting a # on the roulette wheel, there is really no ryme or reason when it comes down to it and 31 teams are just hoping they get lucky and the cards fall their way, just a big gamble really. A game of chance, it’s just the hard truth for fans like us who wish there was justice in something we invested so much time and emotion in. On a side note edelman winning mvp is a great message for the kids that if you cheat it pays off. And bravo hiring an arrest riddled rapper to be part of the halftime show. Stay classy Goodell and the NFL Edited February 5, 2019 by Estelle Getty 10 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Absolutely! That was not holding. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) The holding call stunk. HOWEVER... Football is and always has been an imperfect game. It is subject to human error by the officials, whose jobs are much harder than they appear to us who get to watch the game from our couch in super slo-mo HD. The refs pretty much "let 'em play" all night long on Sunday, for better or worse. The play you mentioned was one exception. The bad holding call didn't cause Goff to throw too late to a wide open Cooks, negating a touchdown. The bad holding call didn't force the Rams to come out in base defensive personnel on four straight plays against the Pats empty sets, leading to an easy Pats touchdown drive. The bad holding call didn't cause Wade Phillips to choose not to double cover Julian PEDelman on numerous critical 3rd downs. Even DIRECTLY after that holding call, on 2nd and 22, the instant replay showed that Robert Woods got WIDE open for first down yardage on a deep square in. Goff missed him and chucked it deep to the well-covered flanker instead. I could go on and on. The bottom line is that blaming the entire outcome of the game on one bad offensive holding call -- when the Rams had NUMEROUS opportunities to win that game, needing only to score TWO touchdowns in four quarters -- is bogus. The Pats earned the win, the Rams earned the loss. Edited February 5, 2019 by Logic 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 The rams sucked through and through. That being said, that was a classic NE bs call. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Logic said: The holding call stunk. HOWEVER... Football is and always has been an imperfect game. It is subject to human error by the officials, whose jobs are much harder than they appear to us who get to watch the game from our couch in super slo-mo HD. The refs pretty much "let 'em play" all night long on Sunday, for better or worse. The play you mentioned was one exception. The bad holding call didn't cause Goff to throw too late to a wide open Cooks, negating a touchdown. The bad holding call didn't force the Rams to come out in base defensive personnel on four straight plays against the Pats empty sets, leading to an easy Pats touchdown drive. The bad holding call didn't cause Wade Phillips to choose not to double cover Julian PEDelman on numerous critical 3rd downs. Even DIRECTLY after that holding call, on 2nd and 22, the instant replay showed that Robert Woods got WIDE open for first down yardage on a deep square in. Goff missed him and chucked it deep to the well-covered flanker instead. I could go on and on. The bottom line is that blaming the entire outcome of the game on one bad offensive holding call -- when the Rams had NUMEROUS opportunities to win that game, needing only to score TWO touchdowns in four quarters -- is bogus. The Pats earned the win, the Rams earned the loss. And the egregious non interference in the NO game makes people forget that the idiot saints and their idiot coach didnt just run the clock down on that series to mere seconds while setting up the gimme FG for the win. INC pass on 1st down .incomplete on the non call. no time off the clock and LA has all day to march down and tie it. Inexcusable. Why on Gods earth were they throwing the ball that series???? To maybe get a TD that would still leave the Rams a chance to tie it because of good time left on the clock? Stupid teams get hurt the worst from bad calls. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 The NFL certainly isn't dying from a financial standpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 It was obvious early that the Rams Offense hadn’t turned up and they weren’t winning that game... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 The OP sounds old and bitter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Stop devoting time to this. The patriots will lose Brady and belichick one day then we might be able to be relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Yes, the Rams haven't been the beneficiary of any bad calls... and certainly have every right to cry about officiating injustice! 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Every time they made a 15 yard plus play I thought this could be the turning point and then the Pats defense clamped down. I don't see why that drive would've been any different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Rams deserves to lose, but this is why challenging penalties or non-penalties must be done. There’s too much riding on the line. I’m willing to lose a few plays per game & perhaps the playclock should be wound down to 35 seconds from 40 to offset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Rams deserves to lose, but this is why challenging penalties or non-penalties must be done. There’s too much riding on the line. I’m willing to lose a few plays per game & perhaps the playclock should be wound down to 35 seconds from 40 to offset. That call pry wouldn't have been reversed though as John Sullivan did have a hold of the defenders jersey so it would have to be indisputable video evidence that he didn't . I like the idea of giving the head coach one challenge a game to challenge a ref's judgement call and another one in the final five minutes of the game. I just worry about it slowing the game down even more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: The OP sounds old and bitter. Just watching every play to show up the officials should stop watching sports if that is the prime reason to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff1954 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Hi from Australia. Could I thank everyone who contributes to this board. You have helped me learn so much more about the Bills and the NFL than I would have otherwise. In Australia, our main sports our cricket, rugby league, and Australian Rules. We also play soccer and rugby union. From following them all off and on for too many decades, I can assure you that there is one consistent law of officiating in all of them: the better team will almost always benefit from the close or contested calls. If the better team is also the home team, this rule is almost guaranteed. There’s nothing to be done except to take down the dominant team and then the rule will apply to the next dominant team. I have always really enjoyed the relative lack of controversy about officiating in NFL. I stopped following rugby league closely when complaints about the officiating became the main topic of conversation between fans and often, pundits every week. It’s boring. Please don’t let the NFL go too far down this path. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: That call pry wouldn't have been reversed though as John Sullivan did have a hold of the defenders jersey so it would have to be indisputable video evidence that he didn't . I like the idea of giving the head coach one challenge a game to challenge a ref's judgement call and another one in the final five minutes of the game. I just worry about it slowing the game down even more. It needs to be implemented. Penalties are non-reviewable which makes them much more important then current plays that can be reviewed. I want the ability to challenge 1 play per drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The point being people like me are realizing there are just to many variables to be able to win a game in the NFL, with the refs being number 1. You really have to hope that your team is “allowed” to win. The Rams never really had a chance and it was made clear after that atrocious call. The *pats were penalized TWO TIMES up until the *pats last drive when the game was already over. How do they play such perfect football? But it isn’t really all about the refs. There are as many uncotrolled variables as a poker tournement with 3,000 people. No matter how good you are at the end you need the right run of cards and about a million other tiny things to go your way. That is the odds of your team winning the Big Game if your not the *pats. No matter how good you are in the NFL the refs, injuries, freak plays, and many other factors make the NFL a game of luck which is sad to me. People are realizing it’s all about luck unless your the *pats and winning the Superbowl is just like hitting a # on the roulette wheel, there is really no ryme or reason when it comes down to it and 31 teams are just hoping they get lucky and the cards fall their way, just a big gamble really. A game of chance, it’s just the hard truth for fans like us who wish there was justice in something we invested so much time and emotion in. On a side note edelman winning mvp is a great message for the kids that if you cheat it pays off. And bravo hiring an arrest riddled rapper to be part of the halftime show. Stay classy Goodell and the NFL 9 My conspiracy theory is that the belicheat/pats*** wanted the Rams over the Saints, so to make that happen, the refs let a blatant PI go that affected the outcome of the game. Sets up a young inexperienced team vs the pats*** instead of an excellent veteran QB and head coach. The Saints were robbed and have every right to be pissed. Half the times edelman was open were due to his ability to push off and not get called for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: It needs to be implemented. Penalties are non-reviewable which makes them much more important then current plays that can be reviewed. I want the ability to challenge 1 play per drive. They'd have to move the 4pm games to 9pm then. Edited February 5, 2019 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 my favorite part of the post is the ‘*’ before every pats. I appreciate the dedication of hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 The NFL ratings were up 5% since last year and the championship round was a monster. The only reason the ratings sucked in the super bowl was New England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The holding call on the Rams center early in the fourth after Gurleys 13 yard run was no doubt the turning point in the game. Instead of first and 10 on the *patriots 43 after just tying the game and with all of the momentum the Rams faced a 1 and 20 in their own territory. They went on to punt and the *pats scored the game winning touchdown. I have watched that replay 10 times and there is no way that should have ever been called a hold. It’s these “inconspicuous” type of blatant calls in the NFL that have the ratings for the Superbowl at a 10 year low. The point being people like me are realizing there are just to many variables to be able to win a game in the NFL, with the refs being number 1. You really have to hope that your team is “allowed” to win. The Rams never really had a chance and it was made clear after that atrocious call. The *pats were penalized TWO TIMES up until the *pats last drive when the game was already over. How do they play such perfect football? But it isn’t really all about the refs. There are as many uncotrolled variables as a poker tournement with 3,000 people. No matter how good you are at the end you need the right run of cards and about a million other tiny things to go your way. That is the odds of your team winning the Big Game if your not the *pats. No matter how good you are in the NFL the refs, injuries, freak plays, and many other factors make the NFL a game of luck which is sad to me. People are realizing it’s all about luck unless your the *pats and winning the Superbowl is just like hitting a # on the roulette wheel, there is really no ryme or reason when it comes down to it and 31 teams are just hoping they get lucky and the cards fall their way, just a big gamble really. A game of chance, it’s just the hard truth for fans like us who wish there was justice in something we invested so much time and emotion in. On a side note edelman winning mvp is a great message for the kids that if you cheat it pays off. And bravo hiring an arrest riddled rapper to be part of the halftime show. Stay classy Goodell and the NFL If you think its fixed why bother watching or following. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said: my favorite part of the post is the ‘*’ before every pats. I appreciate the dedication of hate. Shouldn't the asterisk technically come after the team name, not before it? Yes, that's the thing I'm taking issue with here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Bangarang said: The OP sounds old and bitter. Easy now, there are many of us who match that description around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Logic said: The holding call stunk. HOWEVER... Football is and always has been an imperfect game. It is subject to human error by the officials, whose jobs are much harder than they appear to us who get to watch the game from our couch in super slo-mo HD. The refs pretty much "let 'em play" all night long on Sunday, for better or worse. The play you mentioned was one exception. The bad holding call didn't cause Goff to throw too late to a wide open Cooks, negating a touchdown. The bad holding call didn't force the Rams to come out in base defensive personnel on four straight plays against the Pats empty sets, leading to an easy Pats touchdown drive. The bad holding call didn't cause Wade Phillips to choose not to double cover Julian PEDelman on numerous critical 3rd downs. Even DIRECTLY after that holding call, on 2nd and 22, the instant replay showed that Robert Woods got WIDE open for first down yardage on a deep square in. Goff missed him and chucked it deep to the well-covered flanker instead. I could go on and on. The bottom line is that blaming the entire outcome of the game on one bad offensive holding call -- when the Rams had NUMEROUS opportunities to win that game, needing only to score TWO touchdowns in four quarters -- is bogus. The Pats earned the win, the Rams earned the loss. I agree with your premise that the game is officiated by imperfect people and is made up of so many judgement calls. I only question how the *pats o-line NEVER holds even though we see many obvious examples on replay every game? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I have never seen a questionable call go against New England at a critical point in a game. Just sayin... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) The Patriots* always get the advantage of these calls and anyone who points them out get called old, bitter and get lame jokes about tin foil hats. I agree with the OP, a few well timed phantom calls can have a huge impact on the game. It inevitably happens in favor of the Pats* and if you mention it, you get mocked by all the closet New England fans on this board. Edited February 5, 2019 by buffaloboyinATL 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 you're Also, Goff floated that first pass to Cooks in the endzone, giving McCourty time to cover ground and break up the play. Big miss. Just make the plays that are there to be made and you can win games against anyone, including the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: The Patriots* always get the advantage of these calls and anyone who points them out get called old, bitter and get lame jokes about tin foil hats. I agree with the OP, a few we’ll timed phantom calls can have a huge impact on the game. It inevitably happens in favor of the Pats* and if you mention it, you get mocked by all the closet New England fans on this board. So all the other owners are going along with this conspiracy. If you actually think this way. Then it doesnt matter what the Bills do in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: you're Also, Goff floated that first pass to Cooks in the endzone, giving McCourty time to cover ground and break up the play. Big miss. Just make the plays that are there to be made and you can win games against anyone, including the Pats. When I watched that I thought, "That's a TD with our QB." Can't wait. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2001 - 4-12 2002 - 9-7 2003 - 6-10 2004 - 10-6 2005 - 6-10 2006 - 8-8 2007- 8-8 2008 - 8-8 2009 - 7-9 2010 - 5-11 2011 - 6-10 2012 - 7-9 2013 - 7-9 2014 - 9-7 2015 - 9-7 2016 - 7-9 2017 - 10-6 2018 - 7-9 What your seeing is the Bills Record had they SPLIT with New England every season. Which I feel is something most divisional rivals should be able to accomplish. what this shows me is that even by Buffalo being able to beat New England...they were rarely still ever a good enough team on their own to really matter in any serious conversation in the NFL. Its not New England or The Refs or Bad Luck...it’s Buffalo as a Franchise being inept for nearly all the 21st Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I don't think the NFL needs saving but if it did, moving towards an analysis of each and every play for any and all penalties that should or shouldn't have been called is not going to save it. As for 'luck", it seems like the best teams consistently have all the luck. If the uncertainties inherent in the game are too much for you, you might consider becoming a chess fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Jasovon said: Stop devoting time to this. The patriots will lose Brady and belichick one day then we might be able to be relevant maybe 10 years from now that guy has some miracle mojo juice in his water. But it was interesting that the game plan was a s long as close throw limited and run alot. Once they needed the TD they went into spread and empty backfield. This is the mistake the Rams ,ade they stayed in base offense that worked all year for them that gave Billy 18 games of film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The *pats were penalized TWO TIMES up until the *pats last drive when the game was already over. How do they play such perfect football? They are better coached than any other team. It wasn't holding on the Gurley run, you are right. However, Sullivan's arm does fling out towards the defender's shoulder almost like he was going to grab and thought better of it as his guy was going down. In slow motion it is very, very easy to see he doesn't hold. In full speed looking through bodies I can understand why it was called but the refs should always err on the side of not calling if in doubt. I thought the refs did a good job in the Superbowl on the whole. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chris66 said: So all the other owners are going along with this conspiracy. If you actually think this way. Then it doesnt matter what the Bills do in the off season. First of all, I never said it was a conspiracy, that is just another insult that you closet patriot* fans use to insult people who point out the bad officiating and how it is often in the favor of the patriots*. Secondly, other teams don’t “go along with it”. I heard player, coaches and owners complaining about inconsistent officiating all season long. They just can’t say too much or they get fined by the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The holding call on the Rams center early in the fourth after Gurleys 13 yard run was no doubt the turning point in the game. Instead of first and 10 on the *patriots 43 after just tying the game and with all of the momentum the Rams faced a 1 and 20 in their own territory. They went on to punt and the *pats scored the game winning touchdown. I have watched that replay 10 times and there is no way that should have ever been called a hold. It’s these “inconspicuous” type of blatant calls in the NFL that have the ratings for the Superbowl at a 10 year low. The point being people like me are realizing there are just to many variables to be able to win a game in the NFL, with the refs being number 1. You really have to hope that your team is “allowed” to win. The Rams never really had a chance and it was made clear after that atrocious call. The *pats were penalized TWO TIMES up until the *pats last drive when the game was already over. How do they play such perfect football? But it isn’t really all about the refs. There are as many uncotrolled variables as a poker tournement with 3,000 people. No matter how good you are at the end you need the right run of cards and about a million other tiny things to go your way. That is the odds of your team winning the Big Game if your not the *pats. No matter how good you are in the NFL the refs, injuries, freak plays, and many other factors make the NFL a game of luck which is sad to me. People are realizing it’s all about luck unless your the *pats and winning the Superbowl is just like hitting a # on the roulette wheel, there is really no ryme or reason when it comes down to it and 31 teams are just hoping they get lucky and the cards fall their way, just a big gamble really. A game of chance, it’s just the hard truth for fans like us who wish there was justice in something we invested so much time and emotion in. On a side note edelman winning mvp is a great message for the kids that if you cheat it pays off. And bravo hiring an arrest riddled rapper to be part of the halftime show. Stay classy Goodell and the NFL What about the pretty blatant hold on Edelman by Peters (sideline throw) that if called would have resulted in a first down for PNE inside LA’s 40 yard line on the previous possession? Peters clearly yanked and tugged his jersey, and it was more obvious than the semi-borderline call on Gilmore on the Rams’ next possession. 42 minutes ago, Andy1 said: I have never seen a questionable call go against New England at a critical point in a game. Just sayin... In the KC playoff game, Watkins had a 38 yard pass play that set up the go-ahead td late in the fourth. It was BLATANT offensive PI, with the other KC receiver making no attempt to run a route and instead clearing out not one but two NE defenders way zone where he ia allowed to do that. Edited February 5, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: First of all, I never said it was a conspiracy, that is just another insult that you closet patriot* fans use to insult people who point out the bad officiating and how it is often in the favor of the patriots*. Secondly, other teams don’t “go along with it”. I heard player, coaches and owners complaining about inconsistent officiating all season long. They just can’t say too much or they get fined by the league. When you state that officiating helps one team out of 32 with no basis to back that up except for nitpicking a few calls. conspiracy is implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: I have never seen a questionable call go against New England at a critical point in a game. Just sayin... There were a few questionable calls that went against New England in Super Bowl 52. Everybody hated Collinsworth for pointing it out. I hate New England as much as anyone, but I was surprised things went Philadelphia's way that game. My enthusiasm for the NFL will continually die, as long as the other 15 teams in the AFC continue to let the Patriots win their conference year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chris66 said: When you state that officiating helps one team out of 32 with no basis to back that up except for nitpicking a few calls. conspiracy is implied. I didn't say they were the only team that benefits from bad calls, but are you seriously saying there is no basis to back up the Patriots* getting more than their fair share of timely help from the officials?! We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 hours ago, row_33 said: Just watching every play to show up the officials should stop watching sports if that is the prime reason to watch I agree with you- i have watched much less NFL the past few years because of the officiating being atrocious. Why watch something where the most incompentent people on the field are in charge? 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: I have never seen a questionable call go against New England at a critical point in a game. Just sayin... It does not have to be never to be valid because on balance it is about 4 to 1 close calls going their way. My father in law is a pats* lover and loves to point out how eagles one td last should have been overturned. It is the only one he has but he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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