#34fan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 31st ranked passing offense is pretty terrible. Bills were the 9th rushing offense, which just highlights the team's lack of balance. I just think the playcalling absolutely SUCKED. -I'm talking overall. There were some bright spots, but Daboll didn't seem to be calling games with the intention of winning them. The games were often hard to watch from an offensive standpoint. Zero creativity, and no tempo. -Thoughts? Edited January 6, 2019 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 No playmakers 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 My big two would be the early instability at QB due to the competition and then injury and Allen’s promising but overall uneven rookie campaign, and McCoy either carrying an injury or simply having lost a step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Lack of targets who can win matchups.......see JaCrispy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: No playmakers Yah, that's somebody's fault? -Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Since you brought up Daboll… In the article about Castilo he said the offense was very complicated. Is that the right thing to do with a rookie QB, a struggling oline, and a young team of no playmakers? Outside of Oline this team needs a receiver that can get separation and fight for the ball. Someone that lays out and makes tough catches. A TE that will do the same. Allen needs to improve as well. See what the offense looks like when those things happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 No rushing attack to respect by opposing defenses No TE threat No safety dump off option for Allen that can catch and break a tackle. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Since you brought up Daboll… In the article about Castilo he said the offense was very complicated. Is that the right thing to do with a rookie QB, a struggling oline, and a young team of no playmakers? IMO, Absolutely not. -It's that type of tone-deaf coaching that has me not caring for Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 With a full year under their belt and a new off-season to prepare, it's not out of the realm of possibilities to think that the offense takes a step forward in regards to executing the complex scheme. From what I've read about E-P offenses, they are easy on the QB conceptually but a little more difficult on the skill positions because they require a high degree of execution across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Capco said: With a full year under their belt and a new off-season to prepare, it's not out of the realm of possibilities to think that the offense takes a step forward in regards to executing the complex scheme. From what I've read about E-P offenses, they are easy on the QB conceptually but a little more difficult on the skill positions because they require a high degree of execution across the board. I'd say that level of complexity requires above-average coaching to instruct it. The off-season firings of multiple position coaches is just the first step, -Beane now has to replace them with better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 A lack of receivers who can consistently catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 We have zero TE's on this roster, I would rather start over with all new players at the TE position. As much as I don't like Z. Jones I guess you need to keep him and Foster but I don't think either is a number 1. Our trenches on both sides of the ball need to be upgraded. This rebuild might take until 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Josh Allen according to some posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, #34fan said: 31st ranked passing offense is pretty terrible. Bills were the 9th rushing offense, which just highlights the team's lack of balance. I just think the playcalling absolutely SUCKED. -I'm talking overall. There were some bright spots, but Daboll didn't seem to be calling games with the intention of winning them. The games were often hard to watch from an offensive standpoint. Zero creativity, and no tempo. -Thoughts? Weapons and QB (Josh needs to improve and I think he will) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 It’s multiple things. Forget the 9th ranked rushing offense, that’s mostly on Allen scrambling. You have a line who can’t run block. Too much shady losing 2-3 yards. Not enough smash mouth ivory for 3-4 yards. unproven receivers with unproven quarterbacks. No tight ends to make plays in the mid range game. Perfect storm of crap for this seasons offense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Where to start? Rookie QB for whom the game still moves too fast Lousy pass catchers No running game No veteran leadership on offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Center Guard Right Tackle Tight End WR Defensive Tackle In that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Rookie QB, WRs, TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Talent at Rb, elite speed, and a athletic mismatch outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: No playmakers Put another way- no one changes the math. There’s no one that challenges a double team and no blocker that absorbs an elite rusher without help. Allens running threat helps and Foster is getting there but the rest of the offense loses 1-1 matchups too easily 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: A lack of receivers who can consistently catch the ball. ....or get any seperation. Oh, and our OLine provided not even a threat of a running game. I realize this thread was started with an agenda, but I see it as misplaced. You can’t judge the coaching when you are overmatched at almost every position. You can’t judge the lack ot talent with ONE draft under the current GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Where to start? Rookie QB for whom the game still moves too fast Lousy pass catchers No running game No veteran leadership on offense Yup. It was particularly egregious to put a raw rookie QB into an offense with a vertical passing game with such poor OTs and no real weapons at WR or TE. Add in no running game and it's no surprise that Allen and the passing offense struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Josh not playing 16 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) QB play in the passing game. 1 hour ago, #34fan said: Yah, that's somebody's fault? -Who? It's something that happens in rebuilds, a lack of talent, often in several areas. Not everything is somebody's fault. Edited January 7, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1. Garbage QB/Rookie QB/200 year old career backup QB 2. McCoy is past his prime and we don’t have a viable backup/3rd Down RB 3. Charles Clay is done and we have no other Tight Ends. 4. WRs are fringe NFL caliber Pretty much the Bills got the production they paid for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: QB play in the passing game. It's something that happens in rebuilds, a lack of talent, often in several areas. Not everything is somebody's fault. Yeah.... I'm blaming Beane anyway.... And I Blame McDermott for Beane being hired in the first place. I've seen re-builds where teams didn't suck for three years, and GM's didn't miss on every player in FA. It's all on McBeane from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 No TE play Little help from WRs, but that did pick up towards the end And the QB shuffle the Bills played this year; again, that picked up towards the end is hopefully solved for many years to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, #34fan said: 31st ranked passing offense is pretty terrible. Bills were the 9th rushing offense, which just highlights the team's lack of balance. I just think the playcalling absolutely SUCKED. -I'm talking overall. There were some bright spots, but Daboll didn't seem to be calling games with the intention of winning them. The games were often hard to watch from an offensive standpoint. Zero creativity, and no tempo. -Thoughts? Rookie QB, subpar Oline, Started the season with WRs that could catch. Had to learn a new offense. You think those things might hinder the ability to be creative. 42 minutes ago, #34fan said: Yeah.... I'm blaming Beane anyway.... And I Blame McDermott for Beane being hired in the first place. I've seen re-builds where teams didn't suck for three years, and GM's didn't miss on every player in FA. It's all on McBeane from here on out. 9-7 and sneaking in the playoffs isnt sucking. So we sucked for one year and I would actually argue we only sucked for half a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Way too much sideline clapping. And penalties of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) I'm gonna pull a Thurman and say QB JK. WR and it ain't even close. Golden Tate III would look GREAT in a Bills suit next year. Edited January 7, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Since you brought up Daboll… In the article about Castilo he said the offense was very complicated. Is that the right thing to do with a rookie QB, a struggling oline, and a young team of no playmakers? Outside of Oline this team needs a receiver that can get separation and fight for the ball. Someone that lays out and makes tough catches. A TE that will do the same. Allen needs to improve as well. See what the offense looks like when those things happen. I thought Castillo came across very poorly in that article. Clearly there was a disconnect and it only makes sense to get an OL coach that fits Daboll’s philosophy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Lack of talent at the offensive skill positions, to go with the aforementioned and acknowledged weakness on the OL. This and the inexperienced QB likely led to the simple gameplans and lackluster playcalling. I’m not sold on Daboll, but I’ll hold off on concern about playcalls until he has a talented offense that underperforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 hours ago, NoSaint said: Put another way- no one changes the math. There’s no one that challenges a double team and no blocker that absorbs an elite rusher without help. This is very true, and something I was thinking about as I watched Peters neutralize Khalil Mack earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, #34fan said: Bills were the 9th rushing offense That rushing stat is greatly misleading...It was basically all Josh...Take out his rushing yards (68% of which came in only 4 games) and the Bills are the 31st rushing offense.. The running game outside of Allen was just awful...They were at about 85 yds per game with the rest of the team rushing... I'm not one to say you have to have a top running game to win in the NFL...I do think however you need at least an average rushing attack...It keeps Defenses honest and greatly effects play action passing...Of the bottom 16 teams in rushing only two, Philly (28th) and Indy (20th) made the Playoffs...And I'm guessing Indy was at least a top 16 rushing team in the 2nd half of 2018... Of course this directly ties into O-Line play...But I think it's just as important to build a respectable running game in 2019 as it is to bring in more skill position talent...It will open up so many things for Josh...To me that means an O-line overhaul (RT, RG, C) and one of the slew of mid-round RB's that will be available in the upcoming Draft...? Edited January 7, 2019 by KOKBILLS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Wrs & TE's with terrible separation, route running and catching skills. Poor run blocking leaving RB'S struggling for holes or bouncing outside for no gain. Waiting for the "Patriot" Daboll to show up? Thats all I got, and I expect all 3 to figure it out in 2019.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said: That rushing stat is greatly misleading...It was basically all Josh...Take out his rushing yards (68% of which came in only 4 games) and the Bills are the 31st rushing offense.. Agreed. -It was largely Allen. Doesn't make it any less imbalanced. I think the fact that the rushing yards came from the QB, shows just how out-of-wack that offense was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, #34fan said: Yeah.... I'm blaming Beane anyway.... And I Blame McDermott for Beane being hired in the first place. I've seen re-builds where teams didn't suck for three years, and GM's didn't miss on every player in FA. It's all on McBeane from here on out. Look at New England. They rebuild the team constantly over and over and it stays at the top, all while having horrible, low draft slots. The notion that 2018 had to be a terrible season for the Bills' "greater good" is garbage, but it's a dish most fans at this forum seem happy to consume. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 hours ago, QCity said: This is very true, and something I was thinking about as I watched Peters neutralize Khalil Mack earlier. Yup- Mack is the type that requires two guys attention and still effects scheme/design. Suddenly the rest of the field is 10 defenders vs 9 offensive players because of his presence. We need guys like that or guys that absorb him leaving it 10-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 13 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Where to start? Rookie QB for whom the game still moves too fast Lousy pass catchers No running game No veteran leadership on offense Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 That's a bit "other than THAT, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?" 14 hours ago, GoBills808 said: My big two would be the early instability at QB due to the competition and then injury and Allen’s promising but overall uneven rookie campaign, and McCoy either carrying an injury or simply having lost a step. McCoy has always been an RB who needs blocking to get him in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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