Heavy Kevi Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Whew.... About f'ing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I like the recent firings, it seems like unlike a lot of other administrations that McBeane knows what is wrong with the team from at least a coaching standpoint. Special teams was mediocre last year and outright horrid this year, its best to move on and build a new unit. Haush money is still a good kicker so you have the hardest piece in place, nab a good punter and a couple of specialists and the unit could easily turn around with proper coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: I think alot of us are baffled by the WR coordinator getting canned- maybe one of his missions was to fix Benjamin? Maybe early on he didnt assess Foster correctly- who knows but I found it odd as well. The best I can think is early in the season he said he could get KB to perform and it never came to be. I don't think it falls on Foster since Foster credited Rob with his development when he was benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Don’t get me wrong. I like the switch up with coaches. What I found intersting is that Beane really sold me on the poor 6-10 was part of the plan due to salary cap restrictions and limited talent. I was really worried he believed that and everyone was going to get a pass on 2018. Man this place is filled with thin skinned vipers yeah? If it’s not 100% obvious gushing you really get the horns. ? Could be. Could also be you’re just a weak poster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Former Bills chime in 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, FLFan said: ST coaches also get input on what players to keep on the roster based on special teams needs. He is responsible for coaching the players he has. ST was a debacle this year in terms of coverage and return. I do not put the punting issues or late season kicker issue on him, but damn, their coverage and return teams were an adventure all year. Time to go in a new direction. I agree. I won't blame punting or kicking issues on Crossman, but he was directly responsible for some of the worst punt & kickoff coverages I've ever seen. Penalties, players completely out of their lanes, poor blocking downfield. He was worse than Castillo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Kinda like women ? But have you tried a whole new staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: But have you tried a whole new staff? What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas ? 9 minutes ago, The Wiz said: The best I can think is early in the season he said he could get KB to perform and it never came to be. I don't think it falls on Foster since Foster credited Rob with his development when he was benched. Yeah, a total mystery- we never know what happens behind closed doors or on the practice field either. Maybe his vision isnt online with McD- hopefully our O as a whole improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: The torch and pitchfork crowd must be happy. Folks around here have been calling for Crossman's head all season long. Oh it has been much longer than that ! Never been a fan. But McD needed to get something up and running when he took the reigns. same with Castillo. he knew what he was going to get from the baseline and also both guys are Pros. But the sign of of winning organization is to continually define and refine. lets see who they bring in,as they surely have someone on speed dial already : ) Hate to see guys lose jobs , but if you can upgrade for the long term. Do it ! I approve of the releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 He had to go. The special teams make up a huge part of the game. They were bad. Epically bad. The offense was historically bad till the Jets game. Josh brought them around. The defense had great numbers, especially considering the amount of time they spent on the field. The OL rarely opened holes for the running game. Our running stats are skewed by Josh's running. Take out his runs, and we may have been worst in the league. I don't have the time nor the desire to verify that. You hire a coordinator and trust him to get the job done. If he wanted better players, all he had to do was ask. I was watching the LSU/UCF game yesterday, and Devin White, the best linebacker in college football, was making tackles on special teams. Marv used to make every player except Kelly available for special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Could be. Could also be you’re just a weak poster. ? no way. I’m as tough as they come. I’ve been taking Hits on this site and bb.com since the Flutie era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Former Bills chime in Woah Nelly ! Thats some damning praise. Yikes !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Woah Nelly ! Thats some damning praise. Yikes !! Crossman actually hit Duke Williams?? I mean ... who didn’t want to do that but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Who we fire isn't the really important thing. It's who we hire. I'm confident that there guys out there better than Robiskie, Crossman, and Castillo. But is that who'll end up with? As of right now, we don't know if we've upgraded any of these coaching positions or - god forbid - downgraded. I'm interested in the next steps. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Name the last time in recent years that a team that didn’t make the playoffs retained every assistant coach? Assistant coaches change all the time Also....the Bill's had a winning record AND made the playoffs last year (ending a drought) and fired a coordinator! People have agendas.... I wonder what his was? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Former Bills chime in Ouch - don't see former players slagging an asst who just got fired every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 They better stop before I start respecting these du dudes. The true test is whether they lose me during the draft again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Former Bills chime in Duke was such a ST terror that he's currently out of Football. At least Felton had a noteworthy career, although that was long before he became a Bill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Crossman actually hit Duke Williams?? I mean ... who didn’t want to do that but still I considered the source : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Lurker said: Duke was such a ST terror that he's currently out of Football. At least Felton had a noteworthy career, although that was long before he became a Bill... Get back to packing your office, Danny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Returntoglory said: HIRE STEVE TASKER! Steve has said multiple times he does not want to coach for it takes too many hours. Some coaches actually sleep in offices (I have done that for work) and they should create bedrooms staff can borrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, boater said: Having said that One: I take no joy in the thought of three families being uprooted and/or faced with uncertainty How are they uprooted? The coaches are getting paid the same as if they were employed and probably have fewer expenses. They can stay in same place they are living with same schools, etc. It just gives the coaches more time to look for the next job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 This move seems about 3 months too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Steve has said multiple times he does not want to coach for it takes too many hours. Some coaches actually sleep in offices (I have done that for work) and they should create bedrooms staff can borrow. I honestly doubt they don't have some sort of sleeping facility for coaches. It really does seem like a no brainer concept for guys that put in 16 hour days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Rubes said: 4 days later and 65 less likes than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Intersting. Beane puts 6-10 on him and part of the plan. Then three coaches get fired. Guess Terry isn’t as patient. I can’t imagine how Crossman could even Begin to explain why he earned the right to be retained. onward .... upward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Real bold move there.. Crossman could have saved his job if he simply hid McKenzies helmet before every kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Real bold move there.. Crossman could have saved his job if he simply hid McKenzies helmet before every kick Yes, that's it. Definitely nothing to do with the abysmal coverage teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Finally !! tired of seeing these threads Closed down lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, CommonCents said: So far every move that has been made appeals to the majority of TBD. OBD has finally accepted that TBD is superior. Now cut Murphy, Shady, and Clay. about time lol. although we would have to fire the whole organization after every loss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 PFF had this unit as a whole at #32. This was a needed move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: They gave Crossman multiple STs guys at the bottom of the roster to begin the season. Andre Holmes was kept solely for his STs ability. They signed Julian Stanford for the same reason, Deon Lacey was supposed to be a ST stud. Ray Ray was drafted for his return ability. Taiwan Jones. They only got rid of them when they realized the offense needed a jolt or STs was terrible anyways All those guys were awful. Did Crossman muff the punts? Again I don't really care if they fired Crossman. Just get better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, FLFan said: ST coaches also get input on what players to keep on the roster based on special teams needs. He is responsible for coaching the players he has. ST was a debacle this year in terms of coverage and return. I do not put the punting issues or late season kicker issue on him, but damn, their coverage and return teams were an adventure all year. Time to go in a new direction. New kickoff rules certainly played into that. Crossman didn't adjust well enough and come up with new schemes to deal with the changes, at least apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: All those guys were awful. Did Crossman muff the punts? Again I don't really care if they fired Crossman. Just get better players. He was the reason a lot of those guys made the roster. With the amount of players we kept because of their ST ability the unit should have been great. He was a poor teacher and a bad evaluator of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, MJS said: New kickoff rules certainly played into that. Crossman didn't adjust well enough and come up with new schemes to deal with the changes, at least apparently. Crossman was bottom third of the league on STs for 3 different HCs with the Bills. That is amazing he lasted this long. He was also in the bottom third more often than not with I believe two other NFL teams prior to the Bills. He also had more players on STs consistently every year for just STs. It is amazing he had jobs and retained them. Absolutely amazing. He has been nothing but terrible. It had nothing to do the new kick off rules. I think I have been waiting 8 years for this firing?! Another Festivus Miracle! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: All those guys were awful. Did Crossman muff the punts? Again I don't really care if they fired Crossman. Just get better players. All I was saying is these guys all had reputations as being good STs players that were kept on the roster for the ST abilities not their offensive or defensive abilities. I actually think keeping players for STs only are asanine in this day and age simply because Kickoffs very rarely get returned rendering 33% of STs play null and void when you think there is Punt, Punt Return, Kickoff, Kickoff Return, FG, and FG Block team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: New kickoff rules certainly played into that. Crossman didn't adjust well enough and come up with new schemes to deal with the changes, at least apparently. He had faaaar more bad seasons than good before the rule changes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I love seeing Duke William's and Jerome Felton ragging on this guy on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Big C said: I love seeing Duke William's and Jerome Felton ragging on this guy on twitter. Have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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