Where are you on the spectrum??

[Dadonkadonk]

Wow the spectrum of posts on this board just regarding Allen is astonishing.  From bust to MVP/All-time great.  Same thing with the coach and GM.  

 

For me I'm a moderate optimist with most things Bills. I like to hash out the pros/cons of moves and decisions. But mostly I feel I'm relatively well grounded in my posts with a slight leaning to a rosey outlook.  I admit I'm frustrated with the moves McBeane have made, but have been fairly consistent in saying none of trades or picks really matter if they miss or hit on Allen.  If they miss on Allen, then they will be gone next year and along with him multiple picks wasted to trade up.  If Allen is a star no one including myself will be able to criticize giving up a LT and multiple picks to go get him.

 

Where do you fall ?

Edited December 6, 2018 by Dadonkadonk

[H2o]

I think he will at least be a good starter in this league, top 10, and the best QB we have had since Kelly by far. 

 

Overall I would say cautiously optimistic. 

Edited December 6, 2018 by H2o

[SDS]

Impossible to compare answers because there is no standard metric from person to person. 

 

I think he’s going to be good enough to cause us tremendous heartache when he is close but not quite good enough. 

 

Mildy pessimistic. 

[stuvian]

People compare him to Cam Newton but Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing records. I'll say Allen is Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan with wheels

[Augie]

I am more optimistic than I was following the draft. I’m also excited to watch the next Bills game more than I can remember. But I’m certainly not without doubts. 

[Rk_Bills86]

So it's hard to give an honest answer since we have such a small sample size and a really weak supporting cast around him.

 

There was a stat up about average distance of air traveled by passes - Bills were #2 - which after years of check downs..... is encouraging? I'll say that Allen is playing to win instead of playing to not lose (TT). Yes he misses throws, yes he needs to work on his touch, we knew that was something he'd have to work on coming out of college. Something that most people complain about for young QBs is that they either don't progress through their reads OR are a 1 read and run QB - Allen while he has run - has absolutely been going through his reads, and many times will stay behind the LOS while scrambling to see if the play develops a bit more.

 

I think the word that would described our QB situation should be Encouraged with an * that notes we want to see progress next year with a clear team overhaul coming.

 

Lets put it another way - based on their play to date, I'd take Allen over Bortels, Winston, Darnold, Rosen, Lamar, Tannahill, Flacco(Current condition), Fitz, Sanchez, McCoy, Mullens, and Beathard

[Jay_Fixit]

Optimistic. However I want to see year 2 before I’ll have a firm answer.

 

As of right now he’s doing some fun things, but it’s only 7 games into his career.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Wow the spectrum of posts on this board just regarding Allen is astonishing.  From bust to MVP/All-time great.

 

For me I'm a moderate optimist with most things Bills. I like to hash out the pros/cons of moves and decisions. But mostly I feel I'm relatively well grounded in my posts with a slight leaning to a rosey outlook.

 

Where do you fall ?

 

I used to be Hopeful.

but now I'm Hapless

 

Maybe someday in the not too distant future, I'll be Hopeful again

[formerlyofCtown]

I think Allen will develope to be great.  He elevates the play on both sides of the ball.

[BringBackFergy]

I’m way right on the spectrum...bordering on just giving him a gold jacket and calling it a career. 

[MichFan]

He is the only viable weapon we have on offense this year, and he is just a rookie. I’m definitely optimistic and can’t wait to see him when the Bills have an NFL offensive line and receivers.

[GoodHands15]

I feel he will make people WANT to play here. 

 

Highly optimistic.

 

Talk to me after 1000 downs.

[downunderbill]

I'm in the wait till the end of next year camp, having said that, I'm optimistic and definitely hoping he succeeds. I know internet brownie points and being able to say you're right is a big thing these days but making these bust and MVP declarations seem over the top to me. You don't have to go one way or the other. You can wait to gather the evidence first.

 

[billsfan1959]

Definitely optimistic. The most optimistic I have been about a Bills QB since Kelly. 

[PIZ]

I don't know where I am on the spectrum, but I haven't been this excited to watch a Bills game in a long time.....and they are no where close to the playoffs.  Allen has brought excitement back to this team and gives us hope that he is a franchise QB.  He is making plays that I didn't think I'd ever see from a Bills QB and it is exciting.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Where am I in the spectrum?  Autistic 

 

 

in the middle.  

 

Not great not the worst.  

 

I see improvement but I still need to see more.  I’d like to be on the optimistic side 

[DisplacedBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, stuvian said:

People compare him to Cam Newton but Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing records. I'll say Allen is Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan with wheels

Matt Ryan with wheels? I'd take that! Joe Flacco, not so much.

[C.Biscuit97]

Hated the pick, wish the Jets took him.  I think fans are so hopeful for anything that they will overreact to barely average qb play.  I will say the Fins game was pretty exciting.  

 

So at the very least, we have a qb who is exciting.  Whether he is a franchise qb or not, I’m not sure of.  But get him some weapons (please have some offensive guru and not SM do it) and let’s see if he can be consistent.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

19 minutes ago, stuvian said:

People compare him to Cam Newton but Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing records. I'll say Allen is Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan with wheels

If this is true than he will be more than enough to win a super bowl with the right weapons around him.

[formerlyofCtown]

23 minutes ago, Rk_Bills86 said:

So it's hard to give an honest answer since we have such a small sample size and a really weak supporting cast around him.

 

There was a stat up about average distance of air traveled by passes - Bills were #2 - which after years of check downs..... is encouraging? I'll say that Allen is playing to win instead of playing to not lose (TT). Yes he misses throws, yes he needs to work on his touch, we knew that was something he'd have to work on coming out of college. Something that most people complain about for young QBs is that they either don't progress through their reads OR are a 1 read and run QB - Allen while he has run - has absolutely been going through his reads, and many times will stay behind the LOS while scrambling to see if the play develops a bit more.

 

I think the word that would described our QB situation should be Encouraged with an * that notes we want to see progress next year with a clear team overhaul coming.

 

Lets put it another way - based on their play to date, I'd take Allen over Bortels, Winston, Darnold, Rosen, Lamar, Tannahill, Flacco(Current condition), Fitz, Sanchez, McCoy, Mullens, and Beathard

Next year I think that list will be a lot bigger.

[Steptide]

I keep hearing about this "Allen is a bust" crowd, but I have no idea who/where they are. I'd say 75% of fans are cautiously optimistic, while 25% are certain he's the next Kelly. I read almost nothing on here, or hear nothing from local radio about Allen being a bust or the wrong pick

[Moulds_80]

18 minutes ago, PIZ said:

I don't know where I am on the spectrum, but I haven't been this excited to watch a Bills game in a long time.....and they are no where close to the playoffs.  Allen has brought excitement back to this team and gives us hope that he is a franchise QB.  He is making plays that I didn't think I'd ever see from a Bills QB and it is exciting.  

this.  exactly this.  too small of a sample size but hes trending up

[Bing Bong]

31 minutes ago, stuvian said:

People compare him to Cam Newton but Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning's rookie passing records. I'll say Allen is Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan with wheels

Matt Ryan with wheels is a multi MVP perennial All-Pro lol. Joe Flacco I can buy.

[Thurman#1]

6 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I keep hearing about this "Allen is a bust" crowd, but I have no idea who/where they are. I'd say 75% of fans are cautiously optimistic, while 25% are certain he's the next Kelly. I read almost nothing on here, or hear nothing from local radio about Allen being a bust or the wrong pick

 

 

 

Yeah, this. Maybe a few trolls and nuts but it's a rare point of view, as it should be.

 

Me, I'm somewhere between mildly and fairly optimistic. He's got a long way to go, a long way, but he's headed in the right direction with some momentum.

Edited December 6, 2018 by Thurman#1

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I keep hearing about this "Allen is a bust" crowd, but I have no idea who/where they are. I'd say 75% of fans are cautiously optimistic, while 25% are certain he's the next Kelly. I read almost nothing on here, or hear nothing from local radio about Allen being a bust or the wrong pick

Are you sure the posts you were reading were on this board?

[rm -rf /*]

Mostly sunny with a chance of rain.

[Happy]

I'm optimistic about the future with Josh Allen.  At this point, I suspect he'll be at least Eli Manning level (Super Bowls aside), but probably not quite Peyton Manning level.  I don't think Josh will be able to do it all himself, he'll need a supporting cast.

[Charles Romes]

His astonishing combination of size, arm strength and running ability give him a significant margin of error 

[Buffalo Boy]

     He seems to be a QB that will have to have an offense built to his strengths.

     I try to keep in mind that the game is still moving too fast for him but not as fast as it seemed before his elbow injury.

     I am absolutely encouraged by the way he lets it rip when he sees an opening. After watching JP, TE, EJ and TT this is a godsend.

Considering how many catchable balls that have been dropped on him I think he a better instinctive passer than his stats show.

     I’m in the optimistic aisle pushing a huge cart of “ I been burned too many times to trust anyone” .

[Bing Bong]

46 minutes ago, SDS said:

Impossible to compare answers because there is no standard metric from person to person. 

 

I think he’s going to be good enough to cause us tremendous heartache when he is close but not quite good enough. 

 

Mildy pessimistic. 

This is basically where I'm at OP. I see him as a Favre clone at best or a super nerfed Favre with wheels at worst. Either way if we're lucky he's going to really tick us off many a divisional rounds.

[Tcali]

59 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Wow the spectrum of posts on this board just regarding Allen is astonishing.  From bust to MVP/All-time great.

 

For me I'm a moderate optimist with most things Bills. I like to hash out the pros/cons of moves and decisions. But mostly I feel I'm relatively well grounded in my posts with a slight leaning to a rosey outlook.

 

Where do you fall ?

1 BUST 10 alltime grat……….optimistic because of his winning attitude,great athleticism,improvements this year......6.7

[NewEra]

43 minutes ago, MichFan said:

He is the only viable weapon we have on offense this year, and he is just a rookie. I’m definitely optimistic and can’t wait to see him when the Bills have an NFL offensive line and receivers.

Shady is a viable weapon when he doesn’t have a terrible C, RG and RT blocking for him.

 

 

To answer the OP.  I am extremely optimistic that I will have an very exciting QB that I enjoy watching for at least the next 4 years.

 

i love this kid and I didn’t love this kid when we drafted him.  He’s just so fun to watch.....behind a terrible OL with terrible WRs and TEs.  With a solid supporting cast, the sky is the limit as long as he can stay healthy. 

 

Passionately optimistic 

Edited December 6, 2018 by NewEra

[LSHMEAB]

More optimistic than I've ever been but still skeptical until he can demonstrate consistency regarding accuracy and "ball distribution."?

 

He's much more talented than I thought and the things he CAN do may separate him from guys with similar issues who all failed.

[YoloinOhio]

I enjoy watching him play and develop as an nfl QB. I’m impressed with his approach, leadership and demeanor. I’m excited for the future of the team. I have no idea how good he will or won’t be, and don’t really worry about it. 

[The Wiz]

I'll go on record and say at the time of the pick I was not happy.  I remember even commenting on his pro day that the clips they gave looked more like a lowlight reel than a highlight reel.

 

That being said, I am actually excited when he is playing because he has a way of making things happen.  He's had his share of boneheaded plays for sure but I feel like he has shown a lot of improvement since his injury and look forward to what he can become.

[Kelly the Dog]

Quarterbacks that turn out to be great have to have extraordinary talent, ability to learn/process information superfast under pressure, excellent coaching, solid surrounding casts, and luck.

 

Josh has one of those things now.

 

He does have a ton going for him and I'm optimistic that he has a real chance.

[Agent 91]

Complete objectivity, he has shown me a good rookie. He has shown me something to be hopeful, and enough I'm not thinking about a high qb in this draft. He has shown that he is a project but competent and capable. His running will be take  away the more tape there is. But I think, if nothing else, that pass to Clay shows he does something Tyrod never truly did. He kept his eyes down field and went through his reads when the bbn play broke down.i think we have what we need at qb for now and if he progresses we have a competent to franchise guy.

 

Where does that put me?

[Aussie Joe]

I put him above Brady and Rodgers but slightly below Marino and Elway at this stage...

[RocCityRoller]

In the pre-season I compared Allen's college stats, physical ability and IQ to Brett Favre and got destroyed for it.

 

I tried to explain that every 20-25 yrs a guy comes along that breaks standard stats. I showed that Brett Favre was the last guy to do it, and also argued Josh Allen has all the traits to do it again.

 

After Minnesota, Jacksonville and Miami I stand by it.

 

Josh Allen is in many ways Brett Favre.

 

He will escape pressure that amazes you, he will have the arm to score anywhere on the field, he will make bone headed throws that will boggle the mind.

 

They are both competitors and will never feel out of a game.

 

Brett Favre was a great QB at times and a total mess at others. He was imperfect, but could win a Super Bowl.

He was able to elevate his teams at times, was always positive and had an 'Awe shucks' personality that his team loved.

Brett Favre was never considered a running threat, but could evade pressure like a slick cat covered in motor oil, and had an arm that could make you pay anywhere on the field.

 

This is Josh Allen. And I stand by my original prognosis.

 

But I would like to add

Josh Allen is a better scrambler than Brett Favre

Josh Allen is a better athlete than Brett Favre

Josh Allen has a bigger arm than Brett Favre

 

We have a baby Favre.

 

Develop him. Give him weapons to maximize his strengths, and enjoy the roller coaster ride.

Edited December 6, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[nedboy7]

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