Draft another QB

[Dkollidas]

I’m not saying it has to be a top-10 Pick, but if Allen misses major time and doesn’t show anything when he comes back, I think we need to either...

 

1) trade down, gather picks for 2020 and try again for a QB

 

2) draft a guy anywhere in rounds 2-4. Stidham, Jackson from UB are just s couple of the multitude of possibilities. 

 

Yes no or maybe? 

Edited October 18, 2018 by Dkollidas

[1billsfan]

 

The Bills literally have the worst offensive line and wide receivers in the league. That is not an exaggeration. Steve Young looked like crap playing with the same kind of bottom feeder talent in his first two years in Tampa Bay.

 

The owner made his choice of head coach and GM,...they in turn made their choice of future franchise QB in Josh Allen. The next step in this progression is getting a big upgrade in talent around Josh Allen. This is the one and only answer.

 

If someone doesn't like it, or doesn't have any belief it will happen for Josh Allen, then they will have to simply wait for the whole darn thing to fail and that won't happen until 2020 at the earliest.

 

I think fans forget how bad the talent level is on offense. Tom Brady would look bad here.

 

Edited October 18, 2018 by 1billsfan

[hondo in seattle]

Yes...   if Allen doesn’t show anything when he comes back.

 

And keep drafting QBs until we find a winner.

 

But if Allen looks like the guy by the end of the season, we’ve got to start building up the WR corps and OL.   Obviously.

[Peace Frog]

Please close this ridiculous thread, mods.  Thanks.

[ProcessYaDigg]

Please stop overreacting.  he has zero supporting cast around him.  Let's be real, Tom Brady wouldn't be that successful with our "O" line and our Receiving Corps.  Remember that Peyton Manning was absolute garbage during his rookie year and so were many others.  When are we gonna have the mentality to stop jumping ship every year for 1st year players/coaches?  Dynasties do NOT happen over night.  I know it's been growing pains for a while now, but it's difficult to build a franchise when we clean house almost every year.  Be patient and let Josh Allen develop.  He will be successful! 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

If we don’t land a decent back-up QB in free agency, of course we should take one at some point in the 2019 draft.  I wouldn’t take one in the first 3 rounds, but I’d definitely take one.  

[Dkollidas]

I understand he has a bad supporting cast. But all the things he’s shown to be (indecisive, inaccurate, missing open receivers, especially in the flat, moving back in the pocket instead of moving up), have been issues he’s had his entire collegiate career as well. 

 

I want Allen to be good as much as anyone, but if there’s no improvement, with the amazing defense we have, the cap space we have, and the draft picks we have, shouldn’t we look into a better backup option than we did this season??? 

[BADOLBILZ]

35 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 

The Bills literally have the worst offensive line and wide receivers in the league. That is not an exaggeration. Steve Young looked like crap playing with the same kind of bottom feeder talent in his first two years in Tampa Bay.

 

The owner made his choice of head coach and GM,...they in turn made their choice of future franchise QB in Josh Allen. The next step in this progression is getting a big upgrade in talent around Josh Allen. This is the one and only answer.

 

If someone doesn't like it, or doesn't have any belief it will happen for Josh Allen, then they will have to simply wait for the whole darn thing to fail and that won't happen until 2020 at the earliest.

 

I think fans forget how bad the talent level is on offense. Tom Brady would look bad here.

 

 

 

Worst receivers?    No question.

 

Worst offensive line?   Very debatable.

 

Lot's of bad O-lines around the league.

[keepthefaith]

The Bills need to add another QB.  Would be nice to find a vet, but if not available drafting another isn't crazy.  Assumes Anderson not in Buffalo next year.

Edited October 18, 2018 by keepthefaith

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

1 hour ago, Dkollidas said:

I’m not saying it has to be a top-10 Pick, but if Allen misses major time and doesn’t show anything when he comes back, I think we need to either...

 

1) trade down, gather picks for 2020 and try again for a QB

 

2) draft a guy anywhere in rounds 2-4. Stidham, Jackson from UB are just s couple of the multitude of possibilities. 

 

Yes no or maybe? 

 

It's not a terrible idea but it will never happen imo. These coaches and GMs have enormous egos, selecting a QB in rounds 1-2 would be them admitting they tailed with Allen and it's way too early for anyone to make that call.

[John from Riverside]

 To me this is not so much about Josh Allen as it is the fact that Peterman is a bust if you can call a fifth round pick that there needs to be another QB on the roster whether it be a veteran or a after the first round draft pick of a QB I don’t want to reach for a QB in this next draft I want to draft supporting cast for a QB because we just used a seventh overall pick on a rock UB he needs protection he needs A running game and he needs past catchers that not only will catch the ball if it’s not perfect but will break tackles and do something with it after they catch it

[major]

Herbert from Oregon may go #1

[#34fan]

Drafting another QB is just good business... I can't believe people are so dam sensitive about Allen being supplanted.

[Buffalo716]

If you don’t like Allen you won’t like Jackson.

 

He is super raw and has some accuracy concerns as well. I think he’s a poor mans Josh Allen. 

 

But im glad he’s UBs QB ?

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

If you don’t like Allen you won’t like Jackson.

 

He is super raw and has some accuracy concerns as well. I think he’s a poor mans Josh Allen. 

 

But im glad he’s UBs QB ?

I totally agree with this assessment.

[Victory Formation]

Competition brings out the best in men, if there is a Derek Carr or Drew Brees prospect in RD2? How could you not take him? I'm an Allen supporter, but I care about what's in the best interest of the Buffalo Bills numer uno.

[mrags]

I’m a fan of getting the kid from UB. 

 

I know they are playing lights out right now and mostly because of him. But where is he expected to go? I highly doubt a kid from UB in the MAC is getting drafted as early as round 3-5 no matter what he does. 

 

And yes, don’t bother reminding me about Mack. And yes, I already know the WR Johnson is slated to go in the first few rounds as well. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

What we needn't do is neglect fixing massive holes in the roster by drafting another quarterback high.  The key to a standout offense is, generally, the offensive line.  The Bills haven't bought into that concept in quite some time.  A quarterback, even one that wouldn't normally function well when pressured, can be a star behind a solid line.  And it makes all the difference for running backs when there's a hole or even a sliver to squirm through, unless your name is Jim Brown.  Of course you need good receivers as well.  But none of it comes together without that stout front.  So Beane drafts a potentially franchise quarterback but paper tapes a seriously broken line with mediocrities such as Newhouse.  Of course his rookie quarterback gets injured early on.  But Allen needn't have been thrown to the wolves had Beane not made another bad decision, that's trading McCarron BEFORE determining if Peterman was no longer an interception machine in regular season games.  Beane's mistakes have been serious.  We won't be Carolina until we figure out how to be.  Yes, it will take time, but it'll also take sound decision making.

Edited October 18, 2018 by Formerly Allan in MD

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

please just stop this.

 

Jim Kelley went 4-12 his first year.  And that is after having 2 years to warm up in the USFL.

 

Way way way too early to start this discussion … again.

[Dopey]

This post is awfully familiar to a post by *********** a couple of days ago. How many "draft another qb post are we going 2 have? 

[Paulus]

Build around Allen for the next two years, if Allen does not develop, draft another qb high. 

[dgrochester55]

Allen is week to week, not severely injured, lets get that out of the way.  The only way that drafting a QB makes sense in the next draft is  if a decently rated qb falls to the 4th or 5th round and they are drafted to be groomed as a backup/failsafe option.   Buffalo invested too much in Allen and people are giving up way too soon.    For better or worse, Buffalo isn't drafting another QB high for at least two more years.

[VW82]

I'm practically driving the "Allen is probably too raw to make it" bus and even I think we need to wait until after the season to make this kind of decision. We don't know that he won't come back much improved after the injury. The way I see it there are three outcomes:

 

1. Allen makes a leap in the second half of the year, and so all we need is a new back up going into next year.

2. Allen slowly improves but isn't where we'd hoped he'd be by year end. As a result we bring in a starting caliber QB and make Allen compete for the job in training camp. If he's the right guy he'll win that battle.

3. Allen continues to look terrible, and there's zero improvement start to finish. We bring in a starting caliber QB to compete for the job, and we draft another QB of the future perhaps even with our first round pick. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by VW82

[2ForMacAdoo]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I’m a fan of getting the kid from UB. 

 

I know they are playing lights out right now and mostly because of him. But where is he expected to go? I highly doubt a kid from UB in the MAC is getting drafted as early as round 3-5 no matter what he does. 

 

And yes, don’t bother reminding me about Mack. And yes, I already know the WR Johnson is slated to go in the first few rounds as well. 

 

Think again. A guy by the name of Big Ben Roethlisberger (Miami Ohio) was drafted in the 1st round (#11 overall) in the 2004 draft. Last time I looked, Miami (Ohio) was in the MAC.

 

[#34fan]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

I’m a fan of getting the kid from UB. 

 

I know they are playing lights out right now and mostly because of him. But where is he expected to go? I highly doubt a kid from UB in the MAC is getting drafted as early as round 3-5 no matter what he does. 

 

And yes, don’t bother reminding me about Mack. And yes, I already know the WR Johnson is slated to go in the first few rounds as well. 

 

I'd go ahead and grab both... Johnson in the 2nd, and Jackson around the 4th...  Some see Tyree as a 3rd, but that seems a bit high... Depends on how the MAC shakes out for UB, and how Tyree does in UB's Bowl game...

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

please just stop this.

 

Jim Kelley went 4-12 his first year.  And that is after having 2 years to warm up in the USFL.

 

Way way way too early to start this discussion … again.

 

THIS 110%......my gawd peeps - stop drinking the koolaid and huffing the paint.

 

It.  Is.  Going.  To.  Take.  Time.  Sit back relax a bit - drink a beer, rake your freaking leaves but for the love of all things holy LEAVE YOUR KEYBOARD ALONE!  Yes this means YOU!

[Ol Dirty B]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

 To me this is not so much about Josh Allen as it is the fact that Peterman is a bust if you can call a fifth round pick that there needs to be another QB on the roster whether it be a veteran or a after the first round draft pick of a QB I don’t want to reach for a QB in this next draft I want to draft supporting cast for a QB because we just used a seventh overall pick on a rock UB he needs protection he needs A running game and he needs past catchers that not only will catch the ball if it’s not perfect but will break tackles and do something with it after they catch it

 

Guy, use a period once in awhile. You wonder why I look down at you, then you throw up this. 

 

The OP was clearly talking about Allen, Peterman won't be here next year.

[Dr.Sack]

Will need talent at OL, RB, TE & WR. Will also need an offensive coordinator who understands how to design the offense to enhance QB skillset. Also will need a QB with skills. Allen needs time to develop to determine this. 

[Figster]

Myself personally, If I was the Bills GM I would start planning ahead for when Tua Toga enters the NFL draft. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Worst receivers?    No question.

 

Worst offensive line?   Very debatable.

 

Lot's of bad O-lines around the league.

 

Totally agree. I estimated last week about how many teams don't need pretty significant oline upgrade. I put the number at about 8. For a couple of years the cry here was "Dallas has a great oline they must have some backups who would be upgrades...." well now look at their line missing a couple of pieces and with a rookie and a backup filling in. It is still far better than ours but no longer anything like dominant. The NFL has a major oline talent issue. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Guy, use a period once in awhile. You wonder why I look down at you, then you throw up this. 

 

The OP was clearly talking about Allen, Peterman won't be here next year.

Chief.....where in the world would you ever think that you look down on me......I am beyond you.

 

Get over yourself

[Success]

I’m actually stunned by how quickly so many fans have either written Allen off or come close to doing so.

 

These kinds of threads might make sense toward the end of year 2.  Not 5 games in.

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, Dopey said:

This post is awfully familiar to a post by *********** a couple of days ago. How many "draft another qb post are we going 2 have? 

 

Tune in tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel

[Dadonkadonk]

Being a dumb post but a good idea are not mutually exclusive. The OP is correct that they should draft another QB. Of course not in the first round but I would have no problem in any other round. How many QB have the Patriots drafted and traded away. Washington took two in one year.

But the idea of drafting another QB because of how Allen has played so far is insane. He is a rookie QB playing as well or better than the rookie MLB. 

I have no issue drafting a QB every year. Maybe they land Brees in the 2nd, Wilson in the 3rd, Brady in the 6th, or hell Romo after the draft. Keep going to the well until you find a superstar. If you find two then you trade one for more assets.

[GunnerBill]

They have taken a QB in the draft the last 3 years. Not the right ones in my mind but that is still progress compared to the years when we almost steadfastly refused to pick Quarterbacks. 

 

They should take one in this draft if the opportunity arises. Not in the 1st... I am not giving up on Allen yet and I don't love this class anyway. But if there was a guy there in rounds 2 or 3 or 4 who made sense they should absolutely pick him. Your aim in every draft should be the find a QB that makes sense with one of your picks. 

[Heitz]

The fact that we haven’t already drafted at least two more QBs this year is a complete outrage!  Buddy - asleep at the wheel!!

[billsredneck1]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

It's not a terrible idea but it will never happen imo. These coaches and GMs have enormous egos, selecting a QB in rounds 1-2 would be them admitting they tailed with Allen and it's way too early for anyone to make that call.

the pats are always drafting qbs.  they took jimmy g in the 2nd. 

[Real McClappy]

OP is right, we do need to draft a QB next year as we need a better QB2 with upside. Our back-up scenario is putrid.

[H2o]

Depends on how FA goes for us. Drafting another QB is not a need if we can get a solid back up in FA, which is what I expect us to do.

 

McCown, Fitz, Siemian, Fales, Cassell are all available. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by H2o

[Trogdor]

8 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

please just stop this.

 

Jim Kelley went 4-12 his first year.  And that is after having 2 years to warm up in the USFL.

 

Way way way too early to start this discussion … again.

I don't know why everyone keeps throwing this out there.  Please go back and show me where he looked as awful as Allen in his first year. He averaged around 225yds per game and close to 60% completion. That was all in a different era of football that didn't favor the passing game. Also, can we stop using wins and losses as though this isn't a team game? You take away some garbage time GB stats and it's pretty clear that Allen isn't ready and isn't even close to Kelly's level. Hell, he isn't even on EJs level. EJ looked much better all season.