Jerry Jabber Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Last week, the Bills starting offense was shut down under A.J. McCarron and last night pitched a shutout against the Eagles. I know it’s just preseason, but is the Browns defense that much improved this year under Gregg Williams? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 A healthy Myles Garrett also helps. That defense looks legit, especially the Front 7. It's going to come down to the secondary on how good they can be. I know they drafted Ward due to the need to bolster their secondary but my goodness, Garrett and Chubb would've been filthy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Foles was also hot garbage. I was totally wrong wanting the Bills to trade for him, much less their 2nd-1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 They look much improved. Penalties are killing them, however. And as we saw under Rex, nothing like a ton of penalties to keep drives alive and take the wind out of the defenses sails. I foresee flashes of dominance followed by stupid, undisciplined penalties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I think they will be pretty good on D, but not as good as they look right now. Watching them, they are showing way more than normal for the preseason. Greggo is trying to look good, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) It has crossed my mind that "some" first string players are treating preseason like the pro bowl... Who in their right mind wants to risk injury? Edited August 24, 2018 by cd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Gregg's using playoff stuff in preseason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 It should be interesting to see where the Browns D ends up at the end of the year in rankings. If they are as good as they’ve looked in the preseason, then I’m even more impressed with how Josh Allen performed against them last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 This is why G. Williams is a horrible d cord. He shows his hand too early. While everyone is playing vanilla, he comes out with blitz’ and overloads. When it counts, they will have him already figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Garrett is a special player. He is going to dominate whoever he's up against. I still think they should have taken Chubb over Ward, but they'll be a very good unit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, COTC said: This is why G. Williams is a horrible d cord. He shows his hand too early. While everyone is playing vanilla, he comes out with blitz’ and overloads. When it counts, they will have him already figured out. Isnt blitz and overloads the 'vanilla' stuff in a Greg William's defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Juice_32 said: Garrett is a special player. He is going to dominate whoever he's up against. I still think they should have taken Chubb over Ward, but they'll be a very good unit. They obviously think highly of Ogbah and they really needed help at corner. Ward will be very good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, jr1 said: Gregg's using playoff stuff in preseason Always been his MO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said: Last week, the Bills starting offense was shut down under A.J. McCarron and last night pitched a shutout against the Eagles. I know it’s just preseason, but is the Browns defense that much improved this year under Gregg Williams? Yeah it looks like they have the makings of a monster defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 How many years has it been that everyone has looked at the Browns after their offseason and said how they are going to be good and then they end up just being the Browns? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Isnt blitz and overloads the 'vanilla' stuff in a Greg William's defence? YES. Everyone has basic overloads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 48 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said: Last week, the Bills starting offense was shut down under A.J. McCarron and last night pitched a shutout against the Eagles. I know it’s just preseason, but is the Browns defense that much improved this year under Gregg Williams? They look pretty good. It is preseason, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 myles G is a monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 D looks ok. How many points did they score? Do you really think they're going to hold opposing offenses to 14 points or less? Nope, they're not that dominating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 over-hyped, outside of Miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 57 minutes ago, jr1 said: Gregg's using playoff stuff in preseason He has too. The team was 0-16 last year. He has to generate fan interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 You seriously can’t take anything out of preseason. But they have a ton of talent and a giant Richard coaching them. Personally, I think they should have drafted Chubb and had a dominant front 7. But they could be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 It's pretty good in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: I think they will be pretty good on D, but not as good as they look right now. Watching them, they are showing way more than normal for the preseason. Greggo is trying to look good, IMO. This is what (IMO) made Josh Allen's performance against them so great. Allen did not play against vanilla defense like everyone claims is preseason. Some of the breakdown videos of Allen's play shows some overload blitz', as well as disguised blitzes and Allen handled them like a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 They are athletic and quick. It wouldn't surprise me that Williams is running playbook schemes in preseason games against vanilla offenses as a way to build confidence in the players and have them run the plays with less thought, more learned behavior. That seems like a very "Gregg" thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I wouldn't draw any conclusions about anything observed in any pre-season game. They are meaningless. As an aside, I think the Browns' record this year will be way better than 0 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I could be mistaken, but didn't the Browns win all their preseason games last year?..and then went 0-16....I'll wait and see how they do come real football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 hours ago, dpberr said: They are athletic and quick. It wouldn't surprise me that Williams is running playbook schemes in preseason games against vanilla offenses as a way to build confidence in the players and have them run the plays with less thought, more learned behavior. That seems like a very "Gregg" thing to do. ...well he did turn down 7 other jobs to take this one, right?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Or the Cleveland Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I'd love it if that becomes a reality. Manboobs Williams is simply not HC material. Never has been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 5 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: Isnt blitz and overloads the 'vanilla' stuff in a Greg William's defence? Biting and kicking. Maybe a stabbing or two is the hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Have always thought Wade > Greggo as a defensive mind, and firing Wade to bring in Greggo one of Ralph's biggest mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 4 hours ago, PolishPrince said: This is what (IMO) made Josh Allen's performance against them so great. Allen did not play against vanilla defense like everyone claims is preseason. Some of the breakdown videos of Allen's play shows some overload blitz', as well as disguised blitzes and Allen handled them like a pro. I find it funny people when say it doesn't matter that Josh Allen looked good in a preseason game. On Hard Knocks, Gregg Williams sure seemed to think it matters. He was really frustrated that his defense wasn't able to stop him. Nate Orchard was pretty upset that he couldn't get a sack. It's not like they aren't trying. His good play in that game means something. 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I wouldn't draw any conclusions about anything observed in any pre-season game. They are meaningless. The final score is meaningless. The individual plays and matchups still matter. Myles Garrett isn't going to suddenly stop being a monster in the regular season. Teams will game plan more to stop him but his skill set won't disappear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 12 hours ago, SWATeam said: I think they will be pretty good on D, but not as good as they look right now. Watching them, they are showing way more than normal for the preseason. Greggo is trying to look good, IMO. This exactly. I couldn't understand why they were playing the way they were in preseason week 2, it seemed pretty classless. It felt like they were trying too hard to prove they can win games after winning 4 in the last 3 seasons. They have the talent to be successful on defense during the regular season, but they've been playing mid season ball against vanilla offenses designed to get a feel for the players. They should also be easier to gameplan for since they have already shown coaches what their D is going to look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 16 hours ago, SWATeam said: I think they will be pretty good on D, but not as good as they look right now. Watching them, they are showing way more than normal for the preseason. Greggo is trying to look good, IMO. Even against us I felt this way, glad others picked up on that , and in all seriousness , Josh Allen and Marcus Murphy had their way with some 1st n 2nd teamers . I do think they have a legit front 7 , I just don't see it in on the back end and that's eventually going to hurt them on defense . Their #4 pick , Ward, injury didn't look good , they really messed that Chubb pick up because Garrett looks absolutely phenomenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 18 hours ago, COTC said: This is why G. Williams is a horrible d cord. He shows his hand too early. While everyone is playing vanilla, he comes out with blitz’ and overloads. When it counts, they will have him already figured out. Williams has been a D coordinator for so long, teams pretty much "figured him out" years ago. 18 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: How many years has it been that everyone has looked at the Browns after their offseason and said how they are going to be good and then they end up just being the Browns? When has "everyone" said the Browns were going to be "good" after preseason? Most predictions have been that they would win a few games and continue to live in the AFCN dungeon. Even this year, "everyone" is saying that the Browns are going to be better than before, with some of the most optimistic thinking that the Browns can win 6-8 games if things (like injuries) go right for them. The Browns have more than enough talent on the field to win 6 or 7 games, including at QB. They have 2 proven NFL coordinators. They haven't had either of those in the past. 12 hours ago, HappyDays said: I find it funny people when say it doesn't matter that Josh Allen looked good in a preseason game. On Hard Knocks, Gregg Williams sure seemed to think it matters. He was really frustrated that his defense wasn't able to stop him. Nate Orchard was pretty upset that he couldn't get a sack. It's not like they aren't trying. His good play in that game means something. The final score is meaningless. The individual plays and matchups still matter. Myles Garrett isn't going to suddenly stop being a monster in the regular season. Teams will game plan more to stop him but his skill set won't disappear. I agree on both points. Allen played effectively against the second team D which is what was impressive when both Foles and Sudfeld failed to do anything against the Browns' second D. Against the Browns first team D, Foles was just as bad as McCarron ... and the Browns' first D smoked the Eagles starting OL (minus Jason Peters) almost as badly as it did the Bills'. The Browns front 7 seems likely to terrorize QBs this season if they stay healthy. The Browns have added a number of good veterans on both sides of the ball, and those guys will be the same guys they've been previously when opposition coaching staffs game planned against them. ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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