So what happens if TT plays well against the jags and we win?

[John from Riverside]

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

[Buffalo Barbarian]

We play the next game. They knows tt is not the answer and will get another QB .

[John from Riverside]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

We play the next game. They knows tt is not the answer and will get another QB .

I honestly think that if they advance into the playoffs that thinking could very well change.

 

Like I said....I want to draft a qb.....but bills management could very well think differently when they sit down and evaluate.   TT was the qb of this team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

43 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

I honestly think that if they advance into the playoffs that thinking could very well change.

 

Like I said....I want to draft a qb.....but bills management could very well think differently when they sit down and evaluate.   TT was the qb of this team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

I really believe we will draft a QB to replace tt even if we win the Superbowl. Tt has played  fair to poor all year and it's just not enough for sustained success, he would be the Trent Dilfer  of QBs if we win.

[MJS]

Playing very well for Tyrod is 230 yards and 2 TD's, something which is average for most other QB's in this league.

 

I'm all for bringing Tyrod back as a bridge QB, but there is no way you can build around him. You still have to go all in to get a passing QB.

[Success]

I don’t know why we can’t keep Taylor for another year and still draft a guy in the 1st.

 

I’m probably old school, but I think most rookie QB’s really benefit from holding a clipboard for awhile.

[Thurman#1]

It won't happen, John.

 

Not that Tyrod won't play well. He might. He does sometimes. But not consistently. Not the way a team that expects to compete for Lombardis needs.

 

They know what Tyrod is. One good game won't change anything. It just won't. A season might have, but he's had three chances to do that. A season might have, but a game won't.

 

 

2 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

I honestly think that if they advance into the playoffs that thinking could very well change.

 

Like I said....I want to draft a qb.....but bills management could very well think differently when they sit down and evaluate.   TT was the qb of this team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

Yup. Tyrod was the QB of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Jordan Mills was the RT of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Vlad Ducasse was the RG of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Ramon Humber was ... I could go on, but the point should be clear.

 

This may be a playoff team but it's not a very good team and starting on it in no way means they want to keep a guy and don't desperately need an upgrade.

 

 

At QB, they want a guy who can play from the pocket. They gave Tyrod a chance to show he was that guy and we all saw the results.

Edited January 2, 2018 by Thurman#1

[OldTimer1960]

16 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

It won't happen, John.

 

Not that Tyrod won't play well. He might. He does sometimes. But not consistently. Not the way a team that expects to compete for Lombardis needs.

 

They know what Tyrod is. One good game won't change anything. It just won't. A season might have, but he's had three chances to do that. A season might have, but a game won't.

 

 

 

Yup. Tyrod was the QB of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Jordan Mills was the RT of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Vlad Ducasse was the RG of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Ramon Humber was ... I could go on, but the point should be clear.

 

This may be a playoff team but it's not a very good team and starting on it in no way means they want to keep a guy and don't desperately need an upgrade.

 

 

At QB, they want a guy who can play from the pocket. They gave Tyrod a chance to show he was that guy and we all saw the results.

I think more than wanting someone who can play from the pocket, they want someone who can and will throw the ball to receivers who are open, but not “5-yards open”, will throw to spots with anticipation, is capable/confident enough that the game isn’t all but lost if they are behind in the second half.

 

i think it is inaccurate to say that they are displeased with Taylor’s mobility - it is his short-comings as a passer that they are dissatisfied with.  

[maryland-bills-fan]

There are a slew of QB's available in free agency, but the really worthwhile ones will be retained or have some warts. One plan would be to keep TT on a 2 year contract but make him available for the right price.  If we could get two 2nd round picks about the middle of the round, we could trade him and pick up a replacement veteran for the short time.  The we would draft a 2nd round or lower 1st round prospect this year and take our crap shoot there. First round QB picks are not a sure thing. 

 

Quote

" Twenty-two have been taken in the first rounds since 1992. Six have been busts -- Mirer, Heath Shuler, Jim Druckenmiller, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Cade McNown. Dave Brown had early success with the Giants but he ended up being a career backup. The book is still out on Tim Couch in Cleveland. Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins did their best work on other teams that picked them off the street instead of the two that paid their first-round contracts.....Perhaps here is the most telling stat. Of the 14 quarterbacks taken in the top 10 of the past 10 drafts, only half -- seven -- became Pro Bowlers.

..."http://www.espn.com/nfldraft/columnist?id=1540370.

 

There are 2 "good things" about this approach.  First, we get something good back for TT, because somebody might overpay for the shiny toy that got the Bills into the playoffs or even deep into the playoffs. If we are stuck with him for two years, well he is our veteran stopgap.    Second, we hold on to those 3 extra top 64 picks that people might want to spend on moving up to the top 5 or 10 spots to get a QB.  I would rather draft a top OT and two superior OG's with those picks. Hell, I might look like a good QB behind a great offensive line. 

Edited January 2, 2018 by maryland-bills-fan

[Klaista2k]

Why do these threads even have to come up now?

We just made the playoffs for the 1st time in 17 years. Can't we let it sink in and enjoy it for a few days without worrying about the draft and future quarterback talk. 

[BullBuchanan]

What do you think the Chiefs will do?

[mead107]

Give him a long term contract 

[Xwnyer]

Personally I don’t want to see us use draft picks to move up on a chance we get a franchise QB?  I say play out 2018 season with Tyron but fix the DL, LB and OL with some of the top picks, grab RB and WR in 3 or 4th rounds or maybe a an like the kid from NC State

[BreezeMafia]

Then its on to New England, period.

[Real McClappy]

It's basically on to NE then. If TT can have a Joe Flacco 2013 MVP SB run where he looked like Joe Montana throughout the entire post season everything will change.  We don't know what or how TT responds to big time games yet, we will see soon enough.

 

I have my doubts but would love to see TT prove me wrong about him.

 

TT it is all on you man, here's you chance to shine and become a big time QB in this league. Opportunity knocks like this once in a life time

 

Lets GO Bills!!!!

 

Add on, stuck in my head now

 

To Tyrod from Eminem:

 

Look
If you had
One shot
Or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted
In one moment
Would you capture
Or just let it slip?

 

 

Edited January 2, 2018 by Real McCoy

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

Well here is where it gets to be more complicated than stats will show. 

 

This team this year is not the most talented top to bottom. They win by playing as a team and excellent team chemistry. I don't know how McD as a coach can remove him from the team and not lose a large part of the locker room. I think making the playoffs kind of forces TTs way back on the team next season...at least to start out. I think we still draft a QB high. Wouldn't shock me to see TT and the rookie compete in TC and TT start the season as our starter. 

 

The only way I see that changing is if this week against the Jags TT has a Peterman-like collapse and we lose big.

[nucci]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

We play the next game. They knows tt is not the answer and will get another QB .

Simple as that....one step at a time

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

We move on to the next team.

 

Those that are 90% or more sold on TT won't change their mind and call those who 100% sure we know is who he is what he is idiots and fools because we won't change our minds.

 

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

It won't happen, John.

 

Not that Tyrod won't play well. He might. He does sometimes. But not consistently. Not the way a team that expects to compete for Lombardis needs.

 

They know what Tyrod is. One good game won't change anything. It just won't. A season might have, but he's had three chances to do that. A season might have, but a game won't.

 

 

 

Yup. Tyrod was the QB of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Jordan Mills was the RT of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Vlad Ducasse was the RG of this team, a team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

 

And Ramon Humber was ... I could go on, but the point should be clear.

 

This may be a playoff team but it's not a very good team and starting on it in no way means they want to keep a guy and don't desperately need an upgrade.

 

 

At QB, they want a guy who can play from the pocket. They gave Tyrod a chance to show he was that guy and we all saw the results.

Exceptional post.

How this team made the playoffs was more about finally receiving good fortune than talent. Look at the numbers and it's quite possibly one of the worst seasons ever to qualify for the post season.

 

But I'll take it if it gets this monkey off our backs. 

 

Did the Ravens entertain or consider keeping Trent Dilfer after a SB victory?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Playing very well for Tyrod is 230 yards and 2 TD's, something which is average for most other QB's in this league.

 

I'm all for bringing Tyrod back as a bridge QB, but there is no way you can build around him. You still have to go all in to get a passing QB.

Playing very well for Tyrod is maybe one half of football before he becomes McAfee Taylor.   

1 hour ago, mead107 said:

Give him a long term contract 

have you been hitting the mead again?  

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

We focus on Cousins. A. Smith become a spot gap possibility( Hate this) . Somebody decent might be coming out of Minnesota ( not Bradford) at the right price which wouldn’t be the cost of moving up in the draft.

TT will NOT get us further than this in the playoffs: sneak in with help and flukey early round wins...... unless we build a legendary D

[LeGOATski]

I think they'll want to trade Tyrod, keep Peterman as the stop-gap and draft the replacement.

 

The playoff berth just earned this regime the full 5 years. The Bills need to actually develop their own franchise QB for once.

Edited January 2, 2018 by LeGOATski
Typo

[ToGoGo]

Then we get a higher draft pick for him. 

[hondo in seattle]

John, I see no sign that anyone's going to change their opinion of Tyrod no matter what happens.  

 

So can we all just cut and paste our Tyrod opinions from the hundred other Tyrod threads?

[BuffaloWings]

3 hours ago, Klaista2k said:

Why do these threads even have to come up now?

We just made the playoffs for the 1st time in 17 years. Can't we let it sink in and enjoy it for a few days without worrying about the draft and future quarterback talk. 

 

This x 10000.

 

And I'm not trying to defend Tyrod. I like him as a QB, but I also liked Fitz and Drew Bledsoe. It really all depends on what they want to do on offense.

 

Let's worry about that after the season is over.

[BigPappy]

5 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

I honestly think that if they advance into the playoffs that thinking could very well change.

 

Like I said....I want to draft a qb.....but bills management could very well think differently when they sit down and evaluate.   TT was the qb of this team that made the playoffs for the first time in 17 years.

Doesn't matter if he is the QB of this team that made the playoffs after 17 years. We got there in spite of him, and from a gift from the heavens names Andy Dalton; not because of TT.

[Wayne Arnold]

6 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

 

Demand a 3rd round pick for him and hope someone bites.

[Tatonka68]

Then is has a better trade value and we can get a higher draft pick when we trade him.

[Teddy KGB]

Cut him so he won’t get smoked by that terrible Pats defense again. 

 

Tough task to get past Jags elite cornerbacks. 

[FearLess Price]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Cut him so he won’t get smoked by that terrible Pats defense again. 

 

Tough task to get past Jags elite cornerbacks. 

 

He did it last year. If we can make them respect the run and stop them from running on us were good. We cant go 3 and out too much cuz if our defense gets whiffed, its over for us.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

 

Nothing changes. But I'm not convinced Taylor is totally done here either. The Bills will surely draft a QB, but that doesn't mean they start the rookie next year. And if you think the Bills will sign an interim free agent QB, he'll cost more than Tyrod. So why bother? 

[FearLess Price]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Demand a 3rd round pick for him and hope someone bites.

 

If he balls out vs jags we could push for a 2nd.

 

Teams that need qbs

Jets

Giants

Skins

Denver

Arizona

Browns

 

4 of those teams will bring in a FA QB since they are close to playoff caliber.  We should have a trade partner to grab a qb early.

 

 

 

[Homey D. Clown]

6 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

 

I think by now you can see that Taylor is simply not a quality passer.  As much as he does to extend plays and is a gifted athlete, superior to many in the NFL even, he has just as many circumstances where he throws late, misses a developing route, or flat out misses the throw all together.  

 

But, I say they draft a pure passing QB, and not just any QB this year, or next if there's just not the right talent in the draft.

[aceman_16]

Same as IF he plays normally or even worse..  we get a new QB. I do not think it is "emotionally" possible to go back to Tyrod next year.  The Bills have left him out to dry a few times and their intentions of letting him go are obvious. It will be best for all parties involved to start anew.

 

I DO wish him luck though! Go Bills!!!

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I'm not even convinced they will draft a rookie(in the first or second round at least). I could see them saying let's use this draft to fix the lines as opposed to using the picks to move up and take a QB.

 

Im hoping they go after a QB, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they don't. 

That could happen if no one they like drops to the Bills. Especially if some real studs at other positional needs are there.

[DrDawkinstein]

Nothing changes. We still need to find a young QB prospect to groom for the future. TT will always be what TT is.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

6 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card.

 

I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up.  

 

We have so many picks in this next draft

 

This is my logic. Living in Philly, I have seen the drop off levels between elite QB play (Wentz), marginal starter/ quality back up (Tyrod/Foles) and the unknown dregs that idiots call for because they think anything will be better (Peterman/Sudfeld).

 

Elite talent will mask deficiencies you didn't know you had. Losing that changes election from Super Bowl to "maybe we win a playoff game". Dropping from the next level to Peterman level goes from frustrating to "I might be physically I'll watching this."

 

Unless my fantasy of the Bills trading for Luck comes to pass, we should start Tyrod Week 1, draft a guy in Round 1, and see how the season takes us.

[bigK14094]

Simple answer....on to New England for a third shot at them.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

(Insert Bill Bellichik voice) "If we win this week we'll play next week - that's how the playoffs work."

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

This is my logic. Living in Philly, I have seen the drop off levels between elite QB play (Wentz), marginal starter/ quality back up (Tyrod/Foles) and the unknown dregs that idiots call for because they think anything will be better (Peterman/Sudfeld).

 

Elite talent will mask deficiencies you didn't know you had. Losing that changes election from Super Bowl to "maybe we win a playoff game". Dropping from the next level to Peterman level goes from frustrating to "I might be physically I'll watching this."

 

Unless my fantasy of the Bills trading for Luck comes to pass, we should start Tyrod Week 1, draft a guy in Round 1, and see how the season takes us.

Correct. There is no reason to dump Tyrod unless there is truly a better option. It doesn't stop you from drafting a QB but it does give you the luxury of easing them in. Spite is the dumbest reason to do anything.