Rocky Landing Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Show me another Bills QB who brought us closer to the playoffs in the last 15 years. I'll wait for your proof.... or your apology. If Kyle Orton were on the Wall of Fame, you wouldn't be able to read his name, or jersey number because it would be obscured by the entire defense that carried him. A poll is similar to watching a Progressive Insurance commercial. You say "I hate this commercial" and switch channels. By asking you to analyze the stats, you can't logically disagree with my argument unless you don't like ONE winning season in the midst of a sandstorm of mediocrity and failure. So there's the point: either say Yes or No based on our success for that season in 2014 (and keep in mind what we could have had if Orton started week one instead of EJ). We weren't mediocre in 2014? Edit: or rather, our offense wasn't mediocre in 2014? Edited September 28, 2017 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theRalph Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Kyle Orton on the WOF is insanity that approaches the insanity of the racism oozing out of this nation since last week. Have you been so enveloped by the drought that you need to honor a player that was maybe a millimeter above mediocre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Are we talking putting his name on the wall or attaching Kyle Orton to the wall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) How many games did he play as a Bill (asked the lazy guy)? OK, I looked. You don't make it on the Wall for 12 games. It's not like he carried us to a Super Bowl victory in those 12 games. That's 75% of one season. Edited September 28, 2017 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 No. He was good, no doubt about it, but Hall or Wall of fame means longevity. If you are going to put him up there how about Anquan Boldin. He was great and he wore a Bill uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Are we talking putting his name on the wall or attaching Kyle Orton to the wall ? Be careful, he might fall off the wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Maybe we could start another wall called: The Wall of Mediocrity. It would have to be a very large wall... Edited September 28, 2017 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If they would put a photo next to the player's name, wasn't there a player doing wind sprints in his underwear in someone's field a few months ago? I don't think a player in Bills history ever did that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If the wall is in the men's room then yes I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Ha! I wonder if this is where John Grisham got the idea for Playing For Pizza? The Browns missed the Super Bowl due to just such a performance and a QB is banished to semi-pro ball in Italy. Funny book... Playing for Pizza Great book. Would highly recommend it to anyone. I liked how in the 4 games after he signed but before he started, he would stand on the sidelines holding a football. Coach, put me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Good god no. A guy who didn't want to play football. Came out of retirement because of $$ Then quit again. God friggin no. I'm Into this theory. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Why not? O J is there.. Orton hasn't been accused of any major crimes. Orton also never been accused of being a good football player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Is it April 1st? Orton on wall...stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I'm thinking of starting a separate thread if Ryan Neufeld deserves a spot on the wall. Should I keep that heated discussion here? Or do you guys and gals think it deserves its own thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yes. I say there's good reason to have him up there. * Name another Bills QB who had us on the brink of the playoffs in the last 12 years. * 12 games played for 3018 yards (extrapolate those numbers to a full 16 games and we're talking 4000 yards in a full season) * QBR of 87.8 * 15 rushes, 14 yards with a long of 10 yards in 12 games (extrapolate that to a full season and he would have easily had over 100) * 18 TD's and 10 INT's is a ratio of 2 to 1...extrapolate that over a full season and he would have had 24 TD's * Mental toughness and team leader * If we had him as a rookie in 2005 he probably would have surpassed Kelly (or come close) if you extrapolate his stats from 2014 over the course of nine NFL seasons. I'm not saying he is a lock to get a place on the stadium Wall of Fame, but the team should give full consideration to his credentials both as a player and team leader considering how he came in a led our team to its best record in a very long time. It wasn't Kyle Orton who had us on the brink of the playoffs. It was the roster and coaching staff (including Dougie) of the 2014 Buffalo Bills. And you'll have to clue me in on the math that makes 18:10 equal 2:1. I get it, you're being sarcastic here, but in doing so you still fell prey to the belief that wins and losses is a QB stat rather than a team stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I'd let him slide. Good one. I was trying to figure out how to word that reference but I think you nailed it so I'll quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 10 pages on a troll topic? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 this can't be real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yes. I say there's good reason to have him up there. * Name another Bills QB who had us on the brink of the playoffs in the last 12 years. * 12 games played for 3018 yards (extrapolate those numbers to a full 16 games and we're talking 4000 yards in a full season) * QBR of 87.8 * 15 rushes, 14 yards with a long of 10 yards in 12 games (extrapolate that to a full season and he would have easily had over 100) * 18 TD's and 10 INT's is a ratio of 2 to 1...extrapolate that over a full season and he would have had 24 TD's * Mental toughness and team leader * If we had him as a rookie in 2005 he probably would have surpassed Kelly (or come close) if you extrapolate his stats from 2014 over the course of nine NFL seasons. I'm not saying he is a lock to get a place on the stadium Wall of Fame, but the team should give full consideration to his credentials both as a player and team leader considering how he came in a led our team to its best record in a very long time. You must be joking, right? You can't actually believe this. A guy who played less than a season for the Bills ... And that less than season wasn't even good. It was just slightly above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbestbillsfan Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) No preceded by a F*** Why you stealing people profile pics dude? 😌😵😌😵 And Hell no to Orton anywhere near this team for any reason. Edited September 28, 2017 by benbestbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) How many games did he play here? LOL man you must be drunk. It would be more appropriate to put Flutie on there before Orton. Edited September 28, 2017 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Is today April 1 or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Fergy are you taking a shot a Cookie? Because of his stats in a run heavy era ? Just wondering. http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/buffalo-bills/alltime-rushing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunesmith Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I was just about to open a new thread to petition to get Lauvale Sape on the wall, but I might as well just tack it on here. Remember that crazy blocked punt he had in the 2005 preseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Guys, projected stats dont lie. This is really such an easy call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If I need a guy to throw a firey spear at an ice dragon, I'm giving Kyle Orton a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yet, this thread makes far more sense than anything protest related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Actually if you think about the string of QB's since Kelly, Orton is one of the better ones .... that's an ugly thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Guys, projected stats dont lie. This is really such an easy call. That's exactly what I've been saying. Even if you calculate an additional four games (wasted on EJ) and then re-extrapolate back to the Thad, Trent and Kolb years, you can conservatively assign Orton 4200 yds passing per season and anywhere from 25-30 TDs with 200-300 yds rushing. The fact that our front office failed to play him for those seasons between 2010-2013 isn't his fault. Guys here are just attacking him for having better stats during the last 15 years than any other team leader we've had at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 10 pages really? For a guy who didn't show up till season started? for a guy who was here for 1 season? are you going to put every player who played 12 games on the wall? STOP THIS IDIOCY!!!!!!!!!! honestly people just haven't got any sense of judgement anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Doug flutie would be a better arguement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 10 pages really? For a guy who didn't show up till season started? for a guy who was here for 1 season? are you going to put every player who played 12 games on the wall? STOP THIS IDIOCY!!!!!!!!!! honestly people just haven't got any sense of judgement anymore. Not saying he belongs in Canton. But it is called the "Wall of FAME" for a reason. "Fame" as in famous, well known, recognized for positive contributions. I would say having a winning season in the midst of a 17 year drought is the very definition of fame. You disagree. I respect that but his contribution to this team was a beacon of hope during a rather gloomy period of our franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 15 by the end of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 10 pages really? For a guy who didn't show up till season started? for a guy who was here for 1 season? are you going to put every player who played 12 games on the wall? STOP THIS IDIOCY!!!!!!!!!! honestly people just haven't got any sense of judgement anymore. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21BRAVO Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 What a stupid discussion topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Guys, you have to look deeper than the surface here. This guy was the face of the franchise for almost a whole season, and hes put up projected numbers that we havent seen here in decades. Put personal feelings aside and look at the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Not saying he belongs in Canton. But it is called the "Wall of FAME" for a reason. "Fame" as in famous, well known, recognized for positive contributions. I would say having a winning season in the midst of a 17 year drought is the very definition of fame. You disagree. I respect that but his contribution to this team was a beacon of hope during a rather gloomy period of our franchise. the only thing I can say good about orton was he came in and replaced EJ. he did a fair job but I lost all respect for him when going for the slide before the 1st down marker. it was gutless play and to me it told me he wasn't willing to take a hit for the team. that said, he does not belong on the wof, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Not saying he belongs in Canton. But it is called the "Wall of FAME" for a reason. "Fame" as in famous, well known, recognized for positive contributions. I would say having a winning season in the midst of a 17 year drought is the very definition of fame. You disagree. I respect that but his contribution to this team was a beacon of hope during a rather gloomy period of our franchise. Gotta give you credit for sticking with it, even though the argument has almost no basis for legitimacy at all. Like to see there are still some captains that will go down with the ship, long after it was obvious it was going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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