We are set at WR. Maybe we’ll grab one in Round 6.

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don’t often disagree with you, but I sure do here. 
 

if you look at the Bills current roster— and I’ll say including reserve/future— at what positions would you say the Bills are thin?

 

To my eye:

Offense:

QB, excellent 

OL, adequate 

WR, thin(ish)

RB, adequate 

TE, deep

Defense:

DT, thin

DE, thin

LB, adequate(ish)

S, thin

CB, thin

 

And where were the majority of our injuries last season? We ignore defensive depth at our peril. 

You are making sense but remember when Kelly, Bruce, Thurman, and Andre were getting old at the same time? Instead of thinking about their replacements, the Bills drafted cornerbacks. It obviously didn't work and I would hate to see this happen again. Diggs isn't getting better from where I sit and certainly isn't getting younger. Also, guards are now suddenly getting the big bucks. OL depth is wonderful to have.

We might never have another QB as talented as Josh. Now is the time to give him more weapons and protection. 

As always, jmo.

[Big Turk]

11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

No we don't.  McD routinely turns 5th and 6th round DB's into good players, especially at safety which is the RB of defense.

 

We draft a young stud at WR in round 1 to take over for an aging Diggs when he starts declining. That's how you build a team that always stays good...you have deep pipelines at key positions.

 

Defense DOESN'T MATTER on this team. McD is going to get players schemed up to be a top 10 D regardless. They need to get to a place where they can bring firepower to destroy teams and not have to worry about the D saving them in the playoffs.  We have tried that for 5 years now, it hasn't worked.

 

The definition is insanity is doing the same thing over and over again even tho it doesn't work and expecting different results.

 

The offense needs to be the focal point, the D can be top 10 and they'll be fine. Do not allocate key resources to defense.   

Edited March 15 by Big Turk

[Bruffalo]

26 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

In all seriousness , take a look at the active roster, and then tell me if you still think they “should go all offense.”

I understand, but I’d rather have a stellar offense with a middling defense then a balanced offense and defense.

 

McDermott is supposed to be a defensive guru, so he should be able to do more with less. Otherwise what’s the point? 

[damj]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

[NewEra]

In midseason @BringBackFergy form 

[Logic]

Put more simply than my previous post:

Not all WRs play the same position. So it's not as simple as saying "we have enough receivers now".

Diggs is a Z. Shakir/Samuel are slots. The Bills need a viable X, which is what Gabe was. We have Hollins and Shorter and Shavers, but those are all replacement level JAGs. The Bills need a DYNAMIC X. There's not currently one on the roster.

Because of that fact, and because we simply need young bodies at wide receiver to start grooming to take over for Diggs as WR1 in the near future, it's imperative that the Bills draft a young WR or two this offseason. 

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Worst take ever bruh 👏

[muppy]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

sitting back to watch the carnage of indignation Erupt lmao

 

Im grabbing my popcorn and await the comedic GOLD sure to follow. Which is exactly what was intended

 

senor fergy does LOVE to stir the pot. lol *giggles rt*

[Jay_Fixit]

Well this could be the most wrong thread of the week.

 

Set at WR.

 

Hahahahahahaha

[90sTillNOW]

All I'm saying  is ... I'd like them  to be able to score 40 a game! Especially  when it counts!  More offense  please 🙏 we get a lead, let their defense  worry  

Edited March 15 by 90sTillNOW

[BringBackFergy]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

I respectfully buy vehemently disagree. Two reasons.

The first reason is that when building a team, you look beyond the coming season. You look at the following season, as well.

In 2025, Diggs will be 32 years old, Samuel will be 29, and Shakir will be in a contract year. No one beyond those three is worth discussing (Shorter unproven, Hollins on one year deal, etc).

So the first reason the Bills need another receiver or two is because they need to set themselves up for the long term and start breaking in a stud who can take over as the alpha in the room for Diggs in the next year or two.

The second reason the Bills need another receiver is that Stefon Diggs plays Z, and Shakir and Samuel play the slot. The only X receivers we have on the roster right now are Hollins, Shorter, and Shavers, and I'm not counting on ANY of those guys being viable starting X receivers in 2024 and beyond.

So for both short term planning (the Bills need a starting X receiver) and long term planning (the Bills need young receiver talent in the pipeline), the Bills need to spend premium capital on a wide receiver THIS YEAR. It's not a want, it's a need.

Now...the signings of Samuel and Hollins make it so that it's not a SCREAMING need that you absolutely HAVE To spend a 1st round pick on. But me personally? I'm not waiting any later than the 2nd round. I'd prefer a 1st rounder and a 4th rounder, but I'd settle for a 2nd and a 5th, something like that. Make no mistake about it, the Bills need -- and I'm almost certain WILL be spending a high pick on -- a wide receiver.

 

After your 500 word essay, I submit five words: “Kansas City Chiefs. Super Bowl Champions”

[JaCrispy]

21 minutes ago, jjmac said:

Trade back and pick up T’Vondre Sweat. 

I’d be ok taking him at 28 too👍

[BringBackFergy]

13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No we don't.  McD routinely turns 5th and 6th round DB's into good players, especially at safety which is the RB of defense.

 

We draft a young stud at WR in round 1 to take over for an aging Diggs when he starts declining. That's how you build a team that always stays good...you have deep pipelines at key positions.

 

Defense DOESN'T MATTER on this team. McD is going to get players schemed up to be a top 10 D regardless. They need to get to a place where they can bring firepower to destroy teams and not have to worry about the D saving them in the playoffs.  We have tried that for 5 years now, it hasn't worked.

 

The definition is insanity is doing the same thing over and over again even tho it doesn't work.

 

The offense needs to be the focal point, the D can be top 10 and they'll be fine. Do not allocate key resources to defense.   

Bates? Gone. Morse? Gone. We need a guard to pair with Torrens. Run the rock. Protect Josh. 
 

[Rocky Landing]

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You are making sense but remember when Kelly, Bruce, Thurman, and Andre were getting old at the same time? Instead of thinking about their replacements, the Bills drafted cornerbacks. It obviously didn't work and I would hate to see this happen again. Diggs isn't getting better from where I sit and certainly isn't getting younger. Also, guards are now suddenly getting the big bucks. OL depth is wonderful to have.

We might never have another QB as talented as Josh. Now is the time to give him more weapons and protection. 

As always, jmo.

Well, mind you, just because I don’t want to spend all of our draft capital on offense doesn’t mean I want to spend it all on defense. 
 

I suspect that if the Bills draft a WR at 28, it means that someone they were really high on dropped to them. But if I were to bet on it, I’d put my money on a bpa defensive position of need. And then hopefully a WR that they’re high on drops to them in the second. 
 

I don’t love it. But I suspect that’s how Beane and McDermott might see the big picture.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

Bates? Gone. Morse? Gone. We need a guard to pair with Torrens. Run the rock. Protect Josh. 
 

 

Mitch Morse - Replaced with Connor McGovern from LG

 

Connor McGovern at LG - Replaced with OG David Edwards

 

Do we need some depth Interior? Sure. Is that something you need to spend High Draft Picks on or something that will be expensive in FA?

 

No.

[Shortchaz]

I hope the bills pick defense 9 out of 11 picks. 

Edited March 15 by Shortchaz

[BruceVilanch]

[without a drought]

They can probably just move on from Diggs now.

[Richard Noggin]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No we don't.  McD routinely turns 5th and 6th round DB's into good players, especially at safety which is the RB of defense.

 

We draft a young stud at WR in round 1 to take over for an aging Diggs when he starts declining. That's how you build a team that always stays good...you have deep pipelines at key positions.

 

Defense DOESN'T MATTER on this team. McD is going to get players schemed up to be a top 10 D regardless. They need to get to a place where they can bring firepower to destroy teams and not have to worry about the D saving them in the playoffs.  We have tried that for 5 years now, it hasn't worked.

 

The definition is insanity is doing the same thing over and over again even tho it doesn't work.

 

The offense needs to be the focal point, the D can be top 10 and they'll be fine. Do not allocate key resources to defense.   

 

As to the bolded, the defense definitely hasn't mattered (in a good way) so far in the playoffs. Could have had just about any JAGs in there, and in the past couple playoff losses, we have. 

 

Agree wholeheartedly with the fundamental premise of your post: with a well-supported QB17, the offense can and should determine game outcomes. Defense should be an afterthought, ideally there to capitalize on leads and keep teams from scoring easily (they should be the unit tasked with playing McDermott's beloved COMPLEMENTARY football).

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

clearly this was done to start trouble on purpose

[4merper4mer]

52 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Great suggestion!  It was a smart move to pass on Mahomes and draft a cornerback. We also should not have drafted Josh Allen if there was a good safety available. Actually I'm kinda surprised this didn't happen. 

 

I sure do pine for the Levy/Jauron days. With McDermott, there is perhaps some chance that he won't take a first round safety.  Is Jauron still available? 👍

Someone posted a chart showing top draft resources dedicated by position across the NFL in recent years.  I think it was 5 years.  Guess which team dedicated the LEAST in the NFL to DBs?    But by all means keep up the narrative.

[Warriorspikes51]

TEAM WIDE RECEIVER UNITE

 

 

 

 

 

 

36 minutes ago, jjmac said:

Trade back and pick up T’Vondre Sweat. 

that would be fun

Edited March 15 by Warriorspikes51

[harmonkillebrew]

1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Diggs replacement is hopefully in this draft

#2 for a season or two, fills that opposite X role, giving us a vertical threat. Then takes over for Diggs as #1.

Samuel and Shakir in the slot. 

That's a nasty 4 WR set.

[london_bills]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

Don't we need a DE who's actually gonna effect mahomes aswell?

[BringBackFergy]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

clearly this was done to start trouble on purpose

With a differing opinion? Is that your definition of “trouble”?

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

[Bills14221]

16 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I hope the bills pick defense 9 out of 11 picks. 

Sure, just not the first two!   

[Clyde Smith]

All those shiny sports car and you mean to tell me you want a 78' pacer?

[BuffAlone]

27 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

After your 500 word essay, I submit five words: “Kansas City Chiefs. Super Bowl Champions”

Five words?🤔 Is that like,"two words for ya...made in America"?

[Perk71]

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

oh, you!

[BillMafia716ix]

After Adding Samuel I don’t think they go WR in RD1 now. Could possibly see them trading down my bet is on Saftey Kam Kitchens from Miami. Bills just hired Miami DB coach to staff 

[nedboy7]

I hope they go RB in the first. A horrible draft is worth watching people explode for a year. The drama. 

[transplantbillsfan]

No

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

After Adding Samuel I don’t think they go WR in RD1 now. Could possibly see them trading down my bet is on Saftey Kam Kitchens from Miami. Bills just hired Miami DB coach to staff 

it would be a mistake to not take one of the 6-7 Round 1 level talents at WR IMO.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but do agree with this to a point.  Don't think it's the 6th round, but do feel there are higher priorities than WR at this point.  There's only one ball to go around and only 11 players on the field.  If we were playing fantasy football then the more weapons the better.  Put another star WR out there, just means less catches for Diggs or Kincaid , or someone else.

 

I'd go DL in 1st, then CB and WR in some order, after that followed by center.   Not sure if the Bills will sign Douglas next year to extension as may feel rather extend Benford and then have a 2nd year CB on other side.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I mean it's no longer the most immediately pressing need (now FS is IMHO) but we have to build for the future. Take a flier on a guy in the 2nd or 3rd.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I mean it's no longer the most immediately pressing need (now FS is IMHO) but we have to build for the future. Take a flier on a guy in the 2nd or 3rd.

Beane will grab a safety or 2 soon I imagine. Hopefully Simmons

[damj]

Nothing personal ... but ...

[Nephilim17]

Stef might be gone in 2025, and if he isn't there's no way he's still a number one for two more seasons. We need cheap but highly skilled labour at the position and as much as I like the Samuel signing he won't be the number 1 in two years.