Khalil Mack & Joey Bosa Available for Trade / Could Be Released

[stuvian]

Bosa has played 14 games over the past two seasons.

 

Mack has only missed 12 games over 9 seasons, ten of which were in 2021. Khalil is far and away the more sure thing. 

 

It is apparent to me that Von Miller needed a Bradley Chubb or Aaron Donald to be effective. As a lone threat he is a non-threat. We will need one other sack threat besides Von. I was hoping it would be Rousseau or Floyd but it never materialized. Maybe we can just rotate other guys and cross our fingers. 

 

Josh Sweat is younger and cheaper

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-taking-trade-calls-on-josh-sweat-give-haason-reddick-permission-to-seek-new-team-per-report/

Edited March 10 by stuvian

[GreggTX]

These were 2 great players. They've nothing left to play for but pride. Too bad the Bolts have been such underachievers. I wonder about price and their condition, but perhaps an interesting option.

[ngbills]

14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We'll definitely get a guy as insurance in FA and/or Draft someone in the mid Rounds. I think AJ coming back is way more likely now that Von did what he did.

 

But I don't see any way we're going to go out and get a Superstar that guarantees Von won't reach the incentives he conceded to and guarantees he has no chance of earning his job back.

Without a pass rush we have no chance on d. May as well go all in on o and not waste any money on d. 

[BarleyNY]

15 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Of course he's going to do the best for the team.

 

But if you think he and Von didn't have a discussion about future plans for the position before he gifted over close to 9m in a cut, choosing to turn them into incentives that he didn't have to do - in regards to whether he'll have a good chance to hit them or not before he agreed to it - I think you're kidding yourself.

 

He's going to insure he's not 100% putting all his eggs into the Von basket and has insurance there. But there's a big difference between covering our butts and completely closing the door on any possible chance Von could start before seeing him in Training Camp.

 

I would be very disappointed in Beane if he gave Von Miller assurances of playing time or that he would not bring in another quality DE. I just can’t see that happening. Von should earn his time on the field just like everyone else. I would also be disappointed if Beane relied on Miller to be a quality player this season. The Bills have to have another viable starting caliber DE in case Miller does not round back into form.

 

That's just for this season. It doesn’t even address our DE needs in 2025 and beyond. The odds that Von Miller will be here in 2025 are close to 0. We need someone in the pipeline. It doesn’t have to be a Mack or Bosa, but we need someone worthy of playing time. 

[chongli]

Bad memories. We traded up for Watkins when Mack was there.

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, chongli said:

Bad memories. We traded up for Watkins when Mack was there.

 

 

Mack has been a turd compared to Aaron Donald..........whom they wouldn't even have had to trade up for.

[machine gun kelly]

18 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Bosa is in his 20s

 

I stand corrected as he’s 28.  We still don’t have the $

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

 

I stand corrected as he’s 28.  We still don’t have the $

With some more restructures, extensions and a properly structured contract we definitely could have enough. 

[4thandGoal]

21 hours ago, stuvian said:

Bosa has played 14 games over the past two seasons.

 

Mack has only missed 12 games over 9 seasons, ten of which were in 2021. Khalil is far and away the more sure thing. 

 

It is apparent to me that Von Miller needed a Bradley Chubb or Aaron Donald to be effective. As a lone threat he is a non-threat. We will need one other sack threat besides Von. I was hoping it would be Rousseau or Floyd but it never materialized. Maybe we can just rotate other guys and cross our fingers. 

 

Josh Sweat is younger and cheaper

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-taking-trade-calls-on-josh-sweat-give-haason-reddick-permission-to-seek-new-team-per-report/

Why is it so apparent because he came back from a major knee injury too soon and wasnt much of a threat. In his first ten games here -- he  had 8 sacks before that injury

[longtimebillsfan]

On 3/9/2024 at 6:15 PM, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I would trade Von Miller for Khalil Mack straight up because Von Miller is done as a NFL player. This way Von Miller can go back to Los Angeles with the Los Angeles Chargers this time. Von Miller 

on the Buffalo Bills is like Joe Namath on the Los Angeles Rams. It’s sad to watch Von Miller simply can’t play football anymore. The mind wants to but body says no. It’s sad Von Miller had nothing left once he left the Los Angeles Rams with a Super Bowl ring he should have retired a champion. As a Bills fan I hope I am wrong but it’s sad and painful to watch Von Miller play his knee is done just like Joe Namath in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Not sure I totally agree with your assessment.  Von looked really good before his injury.

 

I expect we will see an improvement in Vons performance in 2024.  Maybe not to the level if three years ago, but still a disruptive force. 

[Mango]

10 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Not sure I totally agree with your assessment.  Von looked really good before his injury.

 

I expect we will see an improvement in Vons performance in 2024.  Maybe not to the level if three years ago, but still a disruptive force. 

 

That was literally 473 days ago from today. LOL. 

[BullBuchanan]

Bosa has always been a bigger name than he's been an impact. He's only played a complete season in 3 of his 8 seasons and has missed half the season or more 3 times. He only has 4 seasons of double digit sacks and has never exceeded 12.5 -  his sophomore season. I'm good.

[Dunkirk Donski]

On 3/9/2024 at 8:36 PM, Chicharito said:

Von for Bosa straight up. Let the magic Bean work his magic.

Bolts would want an extra 5th rounder.  Beane hangs up

[longtimebillsfan]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

That was literally 473 days ago from today. LOL. 

I will take your word for that.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I will take your word for that.

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/von-miller/4782

 

11/24/2022 - Knee ACL Tear Grade 3
Today's date - 3/11/2024. 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

I like Mack.....the Chargers are nuts with those two contracts

[TBBills Fan]

5 hours ago, Mango said:

 

That was literally 473 days ago from today. LOL. 

[just1hugheser]

5 hours ago, Mango said:

 

That was literally 473 days ago from today. LOL. 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, just1hugheser said:

 

 

LOL how long do you think it takes a 34 year old edge rusher to return to at or near his previous ability?  (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30611344/

 

according to a study done in 2019 about 50 weeks so about 1 year; so von is just over that and with his age, the physical nature of the game his position and the bending/edge rushing skills that he employs to be one of the best I'd say he is right on schedule.  Plus there are sooo many factors that can impact recovery from the exact injury itself to the position played, age, luck, etc.  I think Von is too competitive and works too much to hone his craft and technique to not come back to form, hopefully Milano can come back from his injury and to form as well.  Luckily Milano is only 29 and plays a position that imo requires less consistent change of direction and bending plus his injury was mainly from an impact trauma and less about twisting the ligaments.

 

Edited March 11 by just1hugheser

[BigDingus]

I'd love to have Bosa here. He's guaranteed 10+ sacks when healthy, but that's the rub.

 

He's missed 20 games the last 2 seasons, so availability is a huge concern.

[Mango]

16 minutes ago, just1hugheser said:

 

 

 

 

If we’re going to present “general recovery” let’s present “general production” for 35 year old pass rushers.
 

Then present “general production” for 35 year old pass rushers with one bad knee.

 

Then do it again for two of them.

 

There is no “right on schedule” for this situation.  Something like 2/3 of all NFL players are out of the league in 3 years after a single ACL injury. Let alone 2.

 

Father time is undefeated. 
 

 

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

On 3/9/2024 at 8:57 PM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Mack will forever be the guy I want to play in one season, even as a 40 year old washed up defender. 
 

 

near the top of the many great disappointments of my Bills fanhood was hearing the name "Sammy Watkins" after we traded up to 4th overall in 2014 with Mack still there.

 

[ColoradoBills]

On 3/10/2024 at 7:10 AM, aristocrat said:

Mack likely gets cut imo. Would be amazing to bring him in but after a 17 sack season someone might offer him big money

 

No rational GM is trading for Mack, so it's "fate" that he should come back to Buffalo to win a SB.

Mack is 33 and has made over $150M.  If I was Mack, I would do it on the cheap.

[HOUSE]

This is good for 100 pages 

[Virgil]

I want Mack for no other reason than I wanted us to draft him as a rookie.  I just want to see Mack on the back of a Bills uniform once

[BuffaloRebound]

I’m sure these guys appreciate Harbaugh not cutting them until after a lot of free agency money has already been committed.  

[Billschinatown]

53 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’m sure these guys appreciate Harbaugh not cutting them until after a lot of free agency money has already been committed.  

If we want them...we should

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

58 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I want Mack for no other reason than I wanted us to draft him as a rookie.  I just want to see Mack on the back of a Bills uniform once

Agreed. crazy to think that he has been in the league 10 years and is 33 years old. Seems like we were talking about drafting him like it was yesterday.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

near the top of the many great disappointments of my Bills fanhood was hearing the name "Sammy Watkins" after we traded up to 4th overall in 2014 with Mack still there.

 

 

 

I just remember being shocked when the Bills were on the clock.    I had thought all along that maybe the Bills understood that Aaron Donald was the best defensive player in that draft and would just wait for him to fall into their lap.    Everybody that passed on Aaron Donald looks like an idiot now.   He dominated college football..........so clearly better than Khalil Mack..........and has become the best defensive player regardless of position of the first quarter of the 21st century NFL.   Mack was a stud years 2-4 in Oakland but had largely been unimpactful, overpaid and overrated for the next 5 years until he blew up last season again.

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

No rational GM is trading for Mack, so it's "fate" that he should come back to Buffalo to win a SB.

Mack is 33 and has made over $150M.  If I was Mack, I would do it on the cheap.

Bills have gone out in the divisional round the last couple of seasons. The core of the defense cut over hill and was cut.  Von Miller and Matt Milano are both coming back from serious injuries.  If you were Mack, it is not obvious that the Bills are the team most obvious to get to the super bowl. 

[longtimebillsfan]

13 hours ago, Mango said:

 

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/von-miller/4782

 

11/24/2022 - Knee ACL Tear Grade 3
Today's date - 3/11/2024. 

 

That is very interesting stats.

 

Thanks.

[Turk71]

I was also shocked and disgusted when the Bills moved up and took Watkins instead of Mack. 

He's still got it evidently...18 sacks 6 forced fumbles, ranked 6th out of 112 d edge last season 

9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

No rational GM is trading for Mack, so it's "fate" that he should come back to Buffalo to win a SB.

Mack is 33 and has made over $150M.  If I was Mack, I would do it on the cheap.

If Mack had grown up in Buffalo instead of Florida.....but his only connection to the city is UB and the Bills are an NFL team that passed on him when they had the chance.

Does he even want to come to Buffalo? 

 I've heard the 9ers want him..

I could see that happening

 

[davefan66]

Wouldn’t touch Bosa unless it’s vet minimum loaded with incentives.  Has the name, but not the drive of his brother.

[TheFunPolice]

Bosa is just like his brother and also Kittle: do close to nothing in big games

 

Kelsey makes plays all day long. Chris Jones makes huge plays when they need it. Aaron Donald is always around the ball when the Rams have meaningful games. If you're going to pay the big $$ then you want the big production. 

 

The Bosas and Kittle would be the perfect SF trifecta of big $$, big names, zero impact in the big games. 

[Dunkirk Donski]

17 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I just remember being shocked when the Bills were on the clock.    I had thought all along that maybe the Bills understood that Aaron Donald was the best defensive player in that draft and would just wait for him to fall into their lap.    Everybody that passed on Aaron Donald looks like an idiot now.   He dominated college football..........so clearly better than Khalil Mack..........and has become the best defensive player regardless of position of the first quarter of the 21st century NFL.   Mack was a stud years 2-4 in Oakland but had largely been unimpactful, overpaid and overrated for the next 5 years until he blew up last season again.

Can we retro-fire Whaley one more time?

[nosejob]

7 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

Can we retro-fire Whaley one more time?

All I can remember is Whaley and Russ fist bumping and bromancing after such a genius move. They were gonna prove to everyone how good E.J. was after that pick.

 

[biggerdaddynj]

On 3/12/2024 at 11:47 AM, Dunkirk Donski said:

Can we retro-fire Whaley one more time?

Just make sure you do it after he trades Sheppard for Hughes. 😉

[Billsatlastin2018]

Can’t have too many Macks, can we?

[stevestojan]

[BADOLBILZ]

On 3/12/2024 at 11:47 AM, Dunkirk Donski said:

Can we retro-fire Whaley one more time?

 

 

I blame Buddy Nix.   He had the jack@ssed idea of passing on QB prospects until he'd built up the roster.   Back then,  QB's were so scarce you HAD to get them when they presented themselves.   You could go multiple drafts without even ONE emerging.   By the time Buddy determined they were ready for a QB it was a bad QB draft and he threw a pick at EJ Manuel and turned the mess over to Whaley.   Whaley had the right idea propping up his young QB with an elite WR talent.   It works.   But they brought Watkins onto a rudderless ship with no leadership AT ALL in the WR room and he went from a guy at Clemson who was seen as a gamer to a guy in the NFL who was just cashing checks.   Anquan Boldin was a UFA in 2014 and his and Watkins' families had ties in southwest FL but the cash-to-the-cap Bills weren't going to pay the then-valued Boldin to mentor Watkins.  When McD came in they brought Boldin in to mentor Watkins but it was much too late.   The Bills really wasted Watkins.......he was a helluva talent and his body wasn't busted up when they drafted him but it was by the time he left.    

[Dunkirk Donski]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I blame Buddy Nix.   He had the jack@ssed idea of passing on QB prospects until he'd built up the roster.   Back then,  QB's were so scarce you HAD to get them when they presented themselves.   You could go multiple drafts without even ONE emerging.   By the time Buddy determined they were ready for a QB it was a bad QB draft and he threw a pick at EJ Manuel and turned the mess over to Whaley.   Whaley had the right idea propping up his young QB with an elite WR talent.   It works.   But they brought Watkins onto a rudderless ship with no leadership AT ALL in the WR room and he went from a guy at Clemson who was seen as a gamer to a guy in the NFL who was just cashing checks.   Anquan Boldin was a UFA in 2014 and his and Watkins' families had ties in southwest FL but the cash-to-the-cap Bills weren't going to pay the then-valued Boldin to mentor Watkins.  When McD came in they brought Boldin in to mentor Watkins but it was much too late.   The Bills really wasted Watkins.......he was a helluva talent and his body wasn't busted up when they drafted him but it was by the time he left.    

Good assessment.  As another poster pointed out the bro taps, hugs, and celebration between Russ and whaley sticks with me as one of the ultimate 'billsey' drought moments.  I think everyone in the back of their minds had huge reservations about EJ but we were all so desperate for the QB savior.  Just remember how far we've come.