Orlando Tim Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I'll guess 5 years 280 mil. The next guy that signs always gets the highest AAV The Fish will structure the contract for lower guarantees and have outs though. It'll be interesting to see if Allen re-negotiates before his contract is up. His AAV is 43mm and if he was signing a contract today it would be close to 60mm. Thankfully he seems to care more about winning a championship than maximizing personal earnings. I bet is similar to the Colin Kapernick contract, where they can buy out of the contract every other year for a reasonable hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Tells you a lot when the Bulls fans are all aboard and the Dolphins fNs are like ummmmmmm Idk about this. They are so screwed. Can't wait for 100 million to be tied up in Tua, Hill and Waddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 How is FinHeaven taking this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Read that tweet a bit more carefully. It was Tua saying that he expects to sign an extension. What else is he supposed to say? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I love the nfl offseason news cycle of non-news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 He was on a “prove it” year and he has shown that he has learned how to fall down, so management is ready to sign him up!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: He was on a “prove it” year and he has shown that he has learned how to fall down, so management is ready to sign him up!! Tua is a pro bowl faller downer, Edited February 3 by Don Otreply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 He’s decent and if signed long term, keeps the division from ever being a cake walk, but Tyreek Hill isn’t getting younger and I have zero concern of them being a threat once Hill loses a step or retires. They can replicate “speed” but you can’t replicate Tyreek Hill in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Low Positive said: Read that tweet a bit more carefully. It was Tua saying that he expects to sign an extension. What else is he supposed to say? Seriously...all it says is that Tua himself is expecting it. Of course he would! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 15 hours ago, Roundybout said: Curious how much he gets. Let's hope his number hits above 40 million or more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 hours ago, dma0034 said: Tells you a lot when the Bulls fans are all aboard and the Dolphins fNs are like ummmmmmm Idk about this. They are so screwed. Can't wait for 100 million to be tied up in Tua, Hill and Waddle Tua, Hill and Waddle is a pretty damn good offense. Waddle and Hill were playing hurt or not playing at all late. Careful what you wish for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, klos63 said: Tua, Hill and Waddle is a pretty damn good offense. Waddle and Hill were playing hurt or not playing at all late. Careful what you wish for. Yeah.... and only 150 million for the rest of team. Next year is their last chance in my opinion to be relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: Tua, Hill and Waddle is a pretty damn good offense. Waddle and Hill were playing hurt or not playing at all late. Careful what you wish for. It's a system where it only works if you can draft and keep premier talent on offense. You can't do that with paying a good but not elite qb top of the market QB money. You saw what happened to Purdy had to play without McCaffrey, Deebo, and Trent Williams this season. Tua's numbers went down when they started losing offensive line starters, Hill was hobbled, and Waddle was dealing with that high ankle sprain. They averaged 13.3 ppg against the Ravens, us, and the Chiefs to finish out their season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I wouldn’t sign him and I think this will blow up in Miami’s face. He’s got amazing accuracy, but he’s immobile. This is his ceiling now. And he’s one hit away…. QB purgatory for Miami with a middle tier qb. Also, Hill makes Tua. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 21 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Yeah.... and only 150 million for the rest of team. Next year is their last chance in my opinion to be relevant The cap goes up every season and most teams know how to manage it well. If your hopes depend on the Dolphins having cap problems, I think you'll be disappointed. 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: It's a system where it only works if you can draft and keep premier talent on offense. You can't do that with paying a good but not elite qb top of the market QB money. You saw what happened to Purdy had to play without McCaffrey, Deebo, and Trent Williams this season. Tua's numbers went down when they started losing offensive line starters, Hill was hobbled, and Waddle was dealing with that high ankle sprain. They averaged 13.3 ppg against the Ravens, us, and the Chiefs to finish out their season. Do you really think the offense falls apart if they sign Tua? Like SF, most teams would take a hit if they were missing superstars like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, klos63 said: Do you really think the offense falls apart if they sign Tua? Can it "fall apart" if it only works against bad teams in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Malazan said: Can it "fall apart" if it only works against bad teams in the first place? They lost this season because they were missing impact players on defense, Oline and Waddle and Hill were injured a lot. They are a good team and they are capable of improving. We didn't beat those bad teams this season and we can't beat good teams in the playoffs, so do we have a bigger problem? Our cap space is already making things difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 They should let him walk and sign Jimmy G. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 27 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: They should let him walk and sign Jimmy G. 😁 Sign ‘em both!!! 😋 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 31 minutes ago, klos63 said: The cap goes up every season and most teams know how to manage it well. If your hopes depend on the Dolphins having cap problems, I think you'll be disappointed. Do you really think the offense falls apart if they sign Tua? No but if he signs a top of the market long term deal it will hurt them long term. You won't be able to keep a few of these good young players (Waddle, Eichenberg, Hunt, Jackson, Phillips, Wilkins, Hollands). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: No but if he signs a top of the market long term deal it will hurt them long term. You won't be able to keep a few of these good young players (Waddle, Eichenberg, Hunt, Jackson, Phillips, Wilkins, Hollands). Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Again, you don't need to surround Josh with as much talent as you do Tua to have a highly productive offense. It's why you should only pay elite QB's top of the market deals. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, klos63 said: The cap goes up every season and most teams know how to manage it well. If your hopes depend on the Dolphins having cap problems, I think you'll be disappointed. I mean they will lose Wilkins already. They probably can't keep Ramsey and Howard. They are already 70 million over without Tua and Waddle signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Miami fans: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Yes, of course it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 12 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. Great? Nah Look, we rag on Tua here. He's a rival team QB. He's not a one read QB. But I don't think there's any denying that he's come up small in December and January the last two years even with a HOF WR, a #2 who could arguably be #1 on most teams in the league and an offensive coach who tailored the offense to maximize Tua's strengths and hide his weaknesses. If I have to build a team from scratch I am taking Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar and Stroud over Tua in a heartbeat. Above average QBs get paid and very recently have been paid stupid money. With the Dolphins in as much or worse cap hell as the Bills I won't knock anyone cheering the Dolphins to lock their budget for the next 8 years. Josh's contact looks ridiculously good right now 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Don't be surprised if he gets more than Josh got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Tua is not Josh. Josh covers so much of what’s happening on the roster, weak points are not as weak. Tua needs so much help, him having a too contract will absolutely hamper the dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) We Bills Fans have become quarterback snobs, haven't we? We are slamming Tua as if he is garbage and while he is not an elite qb, he is more than twice as good as anything we had between the years of 1997 and 2017. I mean we are looking back at JP Losman, Trent Edwards, a finished Drew Bledsoe, Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Rob Johnson, Todd Collins and Doug Flutie (who may have been the best of this sorry bunch). Looking back at that sad list, in those days we would have welcomed Tua, no? Edited February 4 by Bill from NYC 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Its starting to make it harder despite him being good enough to carry a team we are totally out of our easiest path to a ring unfortunately - though still have a window open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 14 hours ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. Tua is a good QB with known and obvious limitations, he isn’t a great QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 9 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Don't be surprised if he gets more than Josh got. 🤔 That works on any of a number of levels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 17 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Again, you don't need to surround Josh with as much talent as you do Tua to have a highly productive offense. Not to derail this discussion but yes we need to surround Josh with more talent than he has. One could think that we couldn't sign DHop because of cap constraints - one player who could have changed the ultimate outcome of the Bills season . Again, I don't want to hijack this thread. But paying Tua will affext their ability to get the level of talent they have now. But Dolphins need to pay him. He is a good guy and a good enough QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Great? Nah Look, we rag on Tua here. He's a rival team QB. He's not a one read QB. But I don't think there's any denying that he's come up small in December and January the last two years even with a HOF WR, a #2 who could arguably be #1 on most teams in the league and an offensive coach who tailored the offense to maximize Tua's strengths and hide his weaknesses. If I have to build a team from scratch I am taking Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar and Stroud over Tua in a heartbeat. Above average QBs get paid and very recently have been paid stupid money. With the Dolphins in as much or worse cap hell as the Bills I won't knock anyone cheering the Dolphins to lock their budget for the next 8 years. Josh's contact looks ridiculously good right now Lamar doesn’t come up short? This is the same narrative on here. If you don’t win the SB you suck. Tua will most likely keep improving. They don’t have much chance. And as you say it does help us regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 KC eliminated Miami and Buffalo. Look at how each QB played. Josh played a great game and was let down by his supporting cast on offense. Can you say the same for Tua? Guy was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 16 hours ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. I love Tua! And hope the Fish sign him to the largest NFL contract ever and he pilots the team to oblivion again and again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 You can't say we're being mean, because we're rooting for the man to become the highest paid QB in history, preferably with an iron clad fully guaranteed contract! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 13 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Don't be surprised if he gets more than Josh got. I will almost guarantee he gets more. The cap goes up every year, so that's just the way it works. He will probably get 45-48 per year if I were to guess. Term/guarantees will Be the big numbers to look at though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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