Einstein Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just watched the game again and he exceeded my expectations. Granted, my expectations were low when I saw him jog onto the field... I also think it's telling that McD went to Spector instead of Dorian Williams. What I noticed is that Spector is a bit more reserved than our other LB'ers. He doesn't burst right off the snap, instead opting to wait a split second. This can be bad when you need a short distance stop, but in some ways that proved advantageous on Sunday night. Instead of immediately rushing and getting himself caught in the fray of linemen, that split second wait helped him diagnose the play and make a clean tackle. Below is an example of this that I posted to my Twitter: 13 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Yeah, I'm hoping someone does a careful breakdown of him on the all 22. I noticed him make some plays and never noticed him completely lost or pushed around so it seemed like he did well, but I did not isolate him. I'm hoping someone else will...and maybe Van Demark and Dane Jackson as well. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 When he came on the field I double checked to make sure it was him. He played surprisingly well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Wasn't surprised at all, he just needs a chance. The guy rocked training camp 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Williams too aggressive. He's been boom or bust in his opportunities. He's either making a great play or getting completely fooled and out of position. They can't trust him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 22 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Williams too aggressive. He's been boom or bust in his opportunities. He's either making a great play or getting completely fooled and out of position. They can't trust him Agreed. Spector struck a nice balance. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, Einstein said: Agreed. Spector struck a nice balance. I don't remember Spector NOT looking good whenever he's played. I know preseason is more basic football but he's looked excellent and instinctive in those opportunities. Dodson had also almost always looked solid as well(despite some claims to the contrary). AJ Klein had a nice run when he had to start(once they adjusted his role to his strengths). Even Julian Stanford looked good filling in for Edmunds in 2018. Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles in 2017 and Ramon Humber wasn't even too bad before Milano took that job over full time. Lorax was also excellent in a hybrid role that included a lot of LB. You pretty much gotta' go back to the Rex days to see poor LB play in Buffalo. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said: When he came on the field I double checked to make sure it was him. He played surprisingly well Don’t leave us hanging. When you checked…..Was it him? 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I agree that he played well. Especially for a guy who hasn’t seen the field for quite some time. Very encouraging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I don't remember Spector NOT looking good whenever he's played. I know preseason is more basic football but he's looked excellent and instinctive in those opportunities. Dodson had also almost always looked solid as well(despite some claims to the contrary). AJ Klein had a nice run when he had to start(once they adjusted his role to his strengths). Even Julian Stanford looked good filling in for Edmunds in 2018. Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles in 2017 and Ramon Humber wasn't even too bad before Milano took that job over full time. Lorax was also excellent in a hybrid role that included a lot of LB. You pretty much gotta' go back to the Rex days to see poor LB play in Buffalo. This is why I have hope that Dorian Williams makes a Terrel Bernard-esque leap in 2024. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I agree. I'm surprised this is the first thread about it, tbh. Two guys stepped into prominent roles in a huge spot on Sunday -- Dane Jackson and Baylon Spector. Both acquitted themselves rather well. Neither gave up any particularly memorable plays, and the Bills defense shut the Phins out in the second half and limited them to 7 yards rushing. Jackson playing well was not as big a surprise, as he's done it before, and is a bona fide starting level corner in this league. Spector, though, was a HUGE surprise to me. I was worried when I saw him jog onto the field. I then proceeded not to think about him the rest of the game, because he just looked like he belonged. If he turns out to be a good player at Will, it'll be great news for our linebacker depth this year and beyond. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: This is why I have hope that Dorian Williams makes a Terrel Bernard-esque leap in 2024. Yeah he has a very high ceiling but he played in a pretty simple system in college. The quality of processing of the other LB's in the room should help push him. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, goldenboy81 said: When he came on the field I double checked to make sure it was him. He played surprisingly well I thought so too. Also, am I mistaken or was he taking the MLB role (in play, not play calling) at times? Edited January 9 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Williams too aggressive. He's been boom or bust in his opportunities. He's either making a great play or getting completely fooled and out of position. They can't trust him That's why McDerm preaches the 1/11 concept. Dorian has immense ability but has to remain consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 And yet another reason to be glad that we didn't back up the Brinks truck for Tremaine Edmunds 3 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 We have an absolute STUD coach in Bobby Babich. 4 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Just watched the game again and he exceeded my expectations. Granted, my expectations were low when I saw him jog onto the field... I also think it's telling that McD went to Spector instead of Dorian Williams. Telling of what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: We have an absolute STUD coach in Bobby Babich. Agreed, he is going to get a shot at DC, I wish the bills would give him the title before he leaves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Agreed, he is going to get a shot at DC, I wish the bills would give him the title before he leaves I wouldn’t rule it out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I don't remember Spector NOT looking good whenever he's played. I know preseason is more basic football but he's looked excellent and instinctive in those opportunities. Dodson had also almost always looked solid as well(despite some claims to the contrary). AJ Klein had a nice run when he had to start(once they adjusted his role to his strengths). Even Julian Stanford looked good filling in for Edmunds in 2018. Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles in 2017 and Ramon Humber wasn't even too bad before Milano took that job over full time. Lorax was also excellent in a hybrid role that included a lot of LB. You pretty much gotta' go back to the Rex days to see poor LB play in Buffalo. I could be mis-remembering, but weren't you using "poor LB play" and Tremaine Edmunds in the same sentence? And again, I could be mis-remembering, but I don't think that sentence was to the effect of "good thing we have Edmunds so we don't see poor LB play in Buffalo" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) May be time to go back and regrade some of the recent Beane drafts/UDFAs. There's a lot of contributors there from other than rounds 1-2, both for us (Benford, Dodson, Bernard, Shakir, Knox, now even guys like Spector) and for other teams (Singletary/Moss have been important contributors for playoff/near playoff teams) Edited January 9 by The Frankish Reich 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 He was impressive. I actually wouldn't have much concern if Dodson is out. Spector stepped up so much that I updated my Bank Of America password to Spector54. Royale with Cheese username with that password is easy to remember. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Telling of what? It's telling that Dorian Williams has lost some favor with the staff at the current moment. He has been higher on the depth chart since training camp, and this is the first game where McD turned to Spector over Williams. We had a LB go down, and Dorian still garnered 0 snaps. Prior to the Philly game, Dorian was getting between 15% and 80% of defensive snaps on a near weekly basis. Dorian had a good block on the Hardy punt return TD though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I watched alot of Spector at Clemson and he was alot like Metakavich was at Temple, but with more speed. Vocal leader who is undersized but instinctual and fast. He made the defense work for his final two years there and kept improving. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watching since 1964 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Joe Marino discussed Spector’s play (which he liked) here after watching the All-22… It starts at the 27min 36sec mark. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, Einstein said: It's telling that Dorian Williams has lost some favor with the staff at the current moment. He has been higher on the depth chart since training camp, and this is the first game where McD turned to Spector over Williams. We had a LB go down, and Dorian still garnered 0 snaps. Prior to the Philly game, Dorian was getting between 15% and 80% of defensive snaps on a near weekly basis. Dorian had a good block on the Hardy punt return TD though. Dorian was a particularly bad fit against the Dolphins. Because misdirection is his worst enemy at the moment. His head is still spinning at the best of times. Good physical attributes but too raw. I thought Spector played really well. I have gone from the start of the year thinking the LB room was a mess to now thinking we have some young talent in there and if we can get Captain Cookie back to his best next year it could be very good. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 His 2022 RAS score only knocked him on height (6'0")/weight (233 lb)/bench, but was otherwise great to elite in speed, explosion, and agility. I think he fits in to the Bills' physical vision of a LB. Depth is keeping the Bills' dream alive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Spector stepped up so much that I updated my Bank Of America password to Spector54. Royale with Cheese username with that password is easy to remember. I couldn’t get it to work… 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I consider myself a pretty big Bills fan, but for whatever reason, I had never seen an actual image of Baylon Spector before he entered the game on Sunday. Lets just say, it wasn't what I expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: Wasn't surprised at all, he just needs a chance. The guy rocked training camp Killed it in college! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Was a huge Spector guy at the beginning of the year and depending on Dodsons injury Spector is going to become pretty important down the stretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) Bobby Babich is definitely one of the unsung heroes for this team. First he was the safeties coach during the peak Hyde/Poyer years. Then he became the LB coach last year and immediately Edmunds and Milano both had the best years of their career. Now this year Bernard is having a breakout year, Dodson is a beast against the run all of a sudden, and our 7th round pick from last year is playing at a high level in a must win game. Absolutely floored he isn’t a DC in this league yet. Edited January 9 by gobills404 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Spector = young AJ Klein? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Williams too aggressive. He's been boom or bust in his opportunities. He's either making a great play or getting completely fooled and out of position. They can't trust him Hopefully that's something that can be honed and developed. Bernard was a big success and Williams has similar tools, so I'm optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, H2o said: Spector = young AJ Klein? Much more athletic than Klein. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Hoping that the off-season will help Dorian Williams, so that is not a liability misdirection I have been a spector fan from the start. I honestly thought the specially a middle linebacker that was good for that position now we have our starter but I really feel that we also have our back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 44 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said: Killed it in college! Played some good football, too! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Spector was impressive. Hope we see him in there again and Dodson has time to fully recover. What exactly was his injury anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Logic said: I agree. I'm surprised this is the first thread about it, tbh. Two guys stepped into prominent roles in a huge spot on Sunday -- Dane Jackson and Baylon Spector. Both acquitted themselves rather well. Neither gave up any particularly memorable plays, and the Bills defense shut the Phins out in the second half and limited them to 7 yards rushing. Jackson playing well was not as big a surprise, as he's done it before, and is a bona fide starting level corner in this league. Spector, though, was a HUGE surprise to me. I was worried when I saw him jog onto the field. I then proceeded not to think about him the rest of the game, because he just looked like he belonged. If he turns out to be a good player at Will, it'll be great news for our linebacker depth this year and beyond. You forgot Van Demark was impressive on TD drive 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, mushypeaches said: And yet another reason to be glad that we didn't back up the Brinks truck for Tremaine Edmunds It’s also nice with Milano coming back next year, it’s not an area of need for the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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