Joe Burrow on Joe Brady

[Allen2Moulds]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/joe-burrow-praises-bills-joe-brady-very-creative/ar-AA1jY8KF?ocid=socialshare

Sounds like he's everything Dorsey was not. 

[bmur66]

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

Impossible to know without being in the room.  Better to make a change though than stick with one of the most predictable offenses in the NFL. 

[FilthyBeast]

I'm still skeptical of Brady because pretty sure most posters on this board could have been the OC at LSU and had similar success with the absurd amount of talent they had there when Brady coached.

 

He wasn't impressive at all when he was OC at Carolina either, but big difference between what he was working with (specifically at QB) compared to current situation in Buffalo.

[ALLinALLEN]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm still skeptical of Brady because pretty sure most posters on this board could have been the OC at LSU and had similar success with the absurd amount of talent they had there when Brady coached.

 

He wasn't impressive at all when he was OC at Carolina either, but big difference between what he was working with (specifically at QB) compared to current situation in Buffalo.

He had 3, 1k receivers with teddy two gloves so he certainly can scheme the passing game well.

[zow2]

It’s not like Joe Brady is taking over to work with Tyson Bagent or someone of that caliber. This is Josh Freakin Allen. One of the best QB talents and athletic dudes in the entire league.  So this is an amazing situation for Brady to really shine here.  We’ll see. If he can break Allen out of this slump he will be The Man.

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm still skeptical of Brady because pretty sure most posters on this board could have been the OC at LSU and had similar success with the absurd amount of talent they had there when Brady coached.

 

He wasn't impressive at all when he was OC at Carolina either, but big difference between what he was working with (specifically at QB) compared to current situation in Buffalo.

IF I remember correctly, Brady was forced to run Rhule's offense, not his own. I could be wrong.

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

It’s not like Joe Brady is taking over to work with Tyson Bagent or someone of that caliber. This is Josh Freakin Allen. One of the best QB talents and athletic dudes in the entire league.  So this is an amazing situation for Brady to really shine here.  We’ll see. If he can break Allen out of this slump he will be The Man.

Another positive is he has been Allens QB coach. He has seen how he reacts to situations, they have talked so they have a measure of trust as well. IF brady can be allowed to implement the offense he did at LSU, we might have a chance of starting to pull Allen out of this funk.

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

 

If it's game planning, personnel use in each package and play calling....that's a Dorsey thing and not a Brady thing.

 

I am sure Brady is going to make changes.  What was used prior wasn't working.

[C.Biscuit97]

43 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/joe-burrow-praises-bills-joe-brady-very-creative/ar-AA1jY8KF?ocid=socialshare

Sounds like he's everything Dorsey was not. 

Haha, yeah. Now all we need are arguably the top 2 receivers in the nfl, a 1st round rb, and to play against college teams!!!!

 

brady got fired after 4 games in the nfl. Huge difference between the nfl and college. By all accounts, he’s a good and charismatic guy. But you aren’t going to magically have a different offense. You need to call/ encourage Allen to run more, stop constant shotgun, giving up on your best rb early in games, and take shots.

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

IF I remember correctly, Brady was forced to run Rhule's offense, not his own. I could be wrong.

LSU has more offensive talent than most nfl teams had that year.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

17 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

To be fair, when Allen was brilliant with DaBoll, there was no funkiness with Dorsey as the QB coach. 

[transient]

Brady was not THE OC at LSU, he was co-OC. He was the passing game coordinator, Steve Ensminger was the running game coordinator. When Carolina tabbed him to be their OC he had never had the responsibility of the total OC position… and they were a pass happy offense that featured Sam Darnold and CMC… not exactly playing to their strengths. 

[Ga boy]

Joe should study the film of the opener and do the opposite.

[Logic]

I think the Bills are in a win/win right now as far as offensive coordinator is concerned.

Either Joe Brady turns out to be great and creative and a big improvement over Ken Dorsey, in which case the Bills can keep him as OC and have continuity in the playbook and system and a guy who's already been working with Josh, but a better teacher/coach/playcaller running the offense.

- OR - 

Brady proves not to be the guy, and the Bills can go out and find an OC this offseason (assuming they're not also looking for a new HC) that can start fresh and bring completely new ideas to the offense and hopefully reinvigorate Josh and everyone else.

Either way, I'm so relieved that Dorsey is gone. Whether or not McDermott follows him out the door remains to be seen, but hopefully we can all at least agree that the Dorsey move needed to be made, and provides a breath of fresh air to a team direly in need of it.

[RyanC883]

21 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm still skeptical of Brady because pretty sure most posters on this board could have been the OC at LSU and had similar success with the absurd amount of talent they had there when Brady coached.

 

He wasn't impressive at all when he was OC at Carolina either, but big difference between what he was working with (specifically at QB) compared to current situation in Buffalo.

 

Agreed, but he has a decent amount of talent here, just poorly utilized.  

 

He got 4 HC interviews, and one of the teams said they nearly hired him.  For whatever that's worth.  

 

A good experiment for the rest of the season to see if Brady can do it.  If he can't, is it because McD keeps meddling in the offense? 

 

If he can, we may have our issues solved--perhaps.   

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I think the Bills are in a win/win right now as far as offensive coordinator is concerned.

Either Joe Brady turns out to be great and creative and a big improvement over Ken Dorsey, in which case the Bills can keep him as OC and have continuity in the playbook and system and a guy who's already been working with Josh, but a better teacher/coach/playcaller running the offense.

- OR - 

Brady proves not to be the guy, and the Bills can go out and find an OC this offseason (assuming they're not also looking for a new HC) that can start fresh and bring completely new ideas to the offense and hopefully reinvigorate Josh and everyone else.

Either way, I'm so relieved that Dorsey is gone. Whether or not McDermott follows him out the door remains to be seen, but hopefully we can all at least agree that the Dorsey move needed to be made, and provides a breath of fresh air to a team direly in need of it.

Let me simplify that for you: Brady succeeds and Bills make the playoffs (McDermott stays) or Brady can’t turn the offense around, McDermott is gone and Bills hire an offensive-centric HC.

 

Even more simple: Brady succeeds, McDermott stays; Brady fails, bye-bye Clapper

[John from Riverside]

33 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm still skeptical of Brady because pretty sure most posters on this board could have been the OC at LSU and had similar success with the absurd amount of talent they had there when Brady coached.

 

He wasn't impressive at all when he was OC at Carolina either, but big difference between what he was working with (specifically at QB) compared to current situation in Buffalo.

The QB makes all the difference

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Let me simplify that for you: Brady succeeds and Bills make the playoffs (McDermott stays) or Brady can’t turn the offense around, McDermott is gone and Bills hire an offensive-centric HC.

 

Even more simple: Brady succeeds, McDermott stays; Brady fails, bye-bye Clapper

I’d like to know why offense of mind for head coach
 

That could very well not happen 

[dma0034]

Has Allen still been working woth Jordan Palmer?

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Allen2Moulds said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/joe-burrow-praises-bills-joe-brady-very-creative/ar-AA1jY8KF?ocid=socialshare

Sounds like he's everything Dorsey was not. 

Sounds more like he is everything Dorsey was before we saw what Dorsey was. Or maybe its what Dorsey became with McD in his ear. 

Hoping Brady is an actual interim and we finally hire a real OC. Dorsey was not ready and I dont think Brady is either. But maybe he will surprise me. He was essentially Dorsey right hand man and Allen coach the past two years and we have seen a steady decline. Fresh blood seems like what is needed. 

[Lost]

35 minutes ago, Logic said:

I think the Bills are in a win/win right now as far as offensive coordinator is concerned.

Either Joe Brady turns out to be great and creative and a big improvement over Ken Dorsey, in which case the Bills can keep him as OC and have continuity in the playbook and system and a guy who's already been working with Josh, but a better teacher/coach/playcaller running the offense.

- OR - 

Brady proves not to be the guy, and the Bills can go out and find an OC this offseason (assuming they're not also looking for a new HC) that can start fresh and bring completely new ideas to the offense and hopefully reinvigorate Josh and everyone else.

Either way, I'm so relieved that Dorsey is gone. Whether or not McDermott follows him out the door remains to be seen, but hopefully we can all at least agree that the Dorsey move needed to be made, and provides a breath of fresh air to a team direly in need of it.

 

This is exactly why moving on from Dorsey mid season was the right move.  

[34-78-83]

25 minutes ago, mannc said:

Let me simplify that for you: Brady succeeds and Bills make the playoffs (McDermott stays) or Brady can’t turn the offense around, McDermott is gone and Bills hire an offensive-centric HC.

 

Even more simple: Brady succeeds, McDermott stays; Brady fails, bye-bye Clapper

Sorry for so many posters here... McD and his best ever Bills winning % will not be gone after one poor season. That would be such a drought era move. That will only happen if he loses his team in the locker room, which contrary to unfounded assumptions, there is no evidence of at this juncture. 

 

A "playoffs or bust" demand would mean we need to go 5-2/ 6-1 against the remaining schedule which includes PHI, DAL, KC, MIA, LAC. Not realistic at all to expect considering the team as is. Is it possible? Sure.

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

 

 

Remember that Josh was (maybe is no longer?) a Dorsey supporter.  I think the Dorsey firing may be a message to Josh also.  

 

Hard to say because josh is Josh and no coach will ever take the gunslinger out of him.  The question is goes Brady have the hutzpah and ability to work with this?  Dabol seemed to be able to do so.

 

The other major issue is that Dorsey seemed to have no creativity with the run game.  I would say the same was true with Dabol.  One way to mak Josh better is to give him the threat of a run game.  This will likely mean moving him back under center more and playing RPO less.

 

I know it is a completely different era of football but Jim Kelly does not achieve what he did without Thurman.  In the modern era Josh needs to develop trust with his running backs as does the team.  We will not return to the bell cow RB situation but opposing teams need to perceive there is at least the threat of Buffalo running the ball.

 

[zow2]

I don't think Joe Brady has to come in and go crazy this weekend, changing everything within a few days.  He can tweak some things but the playbook is still going to be the playbook for the rest of the year.  What he needs to do is infuse a little juice into the offense and allow them to get their confidence back.  To me that doesn't mean trick plays and all that low % stuff.  He can call a conservative game this weekend. Pound the ball a bit, Get Josh out of the pocket on some run pass options..but easy passes not downfield into double coverage.  If he can get Allen and the offense through this game, get a W, and no turnovers, he's done his job.  

 

For reference look at the conservative type of game Russell Wilson played on MNF.  He threw very few dangerous passes.  Most of them were high percentage, short throws to the sidelines where only his guys could catch it and turn upfield.., OR he would run straight ahead for 8 yards and slide.  Against the Jets, this and some running would prob get a win.

[NewEra]

Doesn’t seem like the play calling has been THE issue.  Definitely one of the issues. The biggest issue imo, is the regression of our QB.  Maybe it’s the shoulder injury?  Maybe it’s his reluctance to run?  Maybe it’s confidence. Maybe his accuracy issues are back?  Probably a combination of all 4 and more.  All I know is, Josh has taken a step back in recent weeks and Dorsey wasn’t able to figure it out. Can Brady?  Idk, but I’m glad we held someone accountable and I’m eager to see what the change will bring and how it impacts Josh’s play.  

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Sorry for so many posters here... McD and his best ever Bills winning % will not be gone after one poor season. That would be such a drought era move. That will only happen if he loses his team in the locker room, which contrary to unfounded assumptions, there is no evidence of at this juncture. 

 

A "playoffs or bust" demand would mean we need to go 5-2/ 6-1 against the remaining schedule which includes PHI, DAL, KC, MIA, LAC. Not realistic at all to expect considering the team as is. Is it possible? Sure.

Pretty sure McDermott is on the verge of losing the locker room and a few more brutal losses will seal that deal.  Don’t think 12-men on the field and the benching of Cook went over too well in the locker room. What we are watching is not a one-year anomaly, but a mounting pile of evidence, going back to 13-seconds and the last few games of last season, that McDermott is incapable of getting this team over the hump. Brady is his only hope.

[34-78-83]

Just now, mannc said:

Pretty sure McDermott is on the verge of losing the locker room and a few more brutal losses will seal that deal.  Don’t think 12-men on the field and the benching of Cook went over too well in the locker room. What we are watching is not a one-year anomaly, but a mounting pile of evidence, going back to 13-seconds and the last few games of last season, that McDermott is incapable of getting this team over the hump. Brady is his only hope.

That's you man. Keep thinking that, but there's no evidence of it and I'll stick with the much more plausible odds that he's still here in 24.

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

Joe should study the film of the opener and do the opposite.

If every decision you’ve made is wrong, the opposite would have to be right. 
 

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

That's you man. Keep thinking that, but there's no evidence of it and I'll stick with the much more plausible odds that he's still here in 24.

Players aren't focused and executing.  Major undisciplined mistake to lose another game.  Diggs drama to begin the year, wondering what will be different.  There were rumors last year that going into the Divisional round the defense had no faith in the game plan.  Nobody looks like they are enjoying football this year.  This team used to have fun.  Evidence is mounting that whatever McD's message may be, its not being received and players are discontent.   

Edited November 15, 2023 by Jauronimo

[AlfaBill]

27 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Sorry for so many posters here... McD and his best ever Bills winning % will not be gone after one poor season. That would be such a drought era move. That will only happen if he loses his team in the locker room, which contrary to unfounded assumptions, there is no evidence of at this juncture. 

 

A "playoffs or bust" demand would mean we need to go 5-2/ 6-1 against the remaining schedule which includes PHI, DAL, KC, MIA, LAC. Not realistic at all to expect considering the team as is. Is it possible? Sure.

The problem is McD has likely taken this team as far as he can. There’s a ton of evidence to prove that. Being afraid to change something that’s not working(winning a SB) because it might get worse is loser mentality 

[Steptide]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

I doubt Joe Brady had much say in offensive game plans and schemes. Gonna be really interesting to see what they look like this Sunday 

[zow2]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Players aren't focused and executing.  Major undisciplined mistake to lose another game.  Diggs drama to begin the year, wondering what will be different.  There were rumors last year that going into the Divisional round the defense had no faith in the game plan.  Nobody looks like they are enjoying football this year.  This team used to have fun.  Evidence is mounting that whatever McD's message may be, its not being received.   

 

All it takes is one win over Zach Wilson and the Jets, who haven't scored a TD in like 11 straight Qtrs, and everyone including Diggs will be having fun again,  for another week or so anyway.   

[Jauronimo]

Just now, zow2 said:

 

All it takes is one win over Zach Wilson and the Jets, who haven't scored a TD in like 11 straight Qtrs, and everyone including Diggs will be having fun again,  for another week or so anyway.   

If the offense starts clicking, all will be well in the world. Maybe not the middle east, but whatcha gonna do?

[mannc]

18 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

That's you man. Keep thinking that, but there's no evidence of it and I'll stick with the much more plausible odds that he's still here in 24.

I don’t know why you think that’s “much more plausible.”  If they miss the playoffs, McDermott is gone.  I think he could even be fired in-season, depending on the circumstances.

[WotAGuy]

I just hate we need to hear the name Brady all the time now.  Just got rid of that mother******

[RobbRiddick]

I'm expecting little change to the offense and just hope I'm wrong and it gets a lot better. 

[Livinginthepast]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Doesn’t seem like the play calling has been THE issue.  Definitely one of the issues. The biggest issue imo, is the regression of our QB.  Maybe it’s the shoulder injury?  Maybe it’s his reluctance to run?  Maybe it’s confidence. Maybe his accuracy issues are back?  Probably a combination of all 4 and more.  All I know is, Josh has taken a step back in recent weeks and Dorsey wasn’t able to figure it out. Can Brady?  Idk, but I’m glad we held someone accountable and I’m eager to see what the change will bring and how it impacts Josh’s play.  

Ive wondered all these things but some or most of these could be connected to Dorsey's vanilla offense. If Josh is truly Brett Favre 2.0 then let him loose! Brady now has the reins, so its time to go for broke here. No more conservative, predictable play calls.  This offense needs to be pushed to be better and that was never going to happen with Dorsey. 

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Allen has been in a funk since last year. Brady has been his QB Coach. Not sure that’s the guy that is going to pull him out of it. Time will tell I guess.

Could be more of Dorsey's offensive scheme

[colin]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

It’s not like Joe Brady is taking over to work with Tyson Bagent or someone of that caliber. This is Josh Freakin Allen. One of the best QB talents and athletic dudes in the entire league.  So this is an amazing situation for Brady to really shine here.  We’ll see. If he can break Allen out of this slump he will be The Man.

 

that's a good point.

 

joe brady has aspirations of being the best oc alive (they all do) and he's young and has had success.  being the guy to get allen back to form or beyond is how you make yourself known.

 

gase and hacket have made tens of millions off of very good qbs looking good under their coaching.  brady might just mess around and get the bills HC job!

[zow2]

3 minutes ago, colin said:

brady might just mess around and get the bills HC job!

 

Now that's a hot take!

[DuckyBoys]

we have three losses based on just turnovers  Maybe Dorsey didn't need to call plays every game like we needed to score 40 points  or maybe just could run a rpo and actually hand it off  There was no need for some of the over aggressive shots in the Jets/Patriots/Broncos losses  Its like our offense has one gear/style/mode/game plan  Just run the football and throw short safe passes and protect the ball when you are being tackled and we should beat the Jets 99/100 times  Maybe Sam Martin can stop kicking line drives  Seems like the entire team went to dog crap  Bass hasnt been great either  You can save the hair on fire stuff for when we play good offenses and the defense struggles

[Bruffalo]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

It’s not like Joe Brady is taking over to work with Tyson Bagent or someone of that caliber. This is Josh Freakin Allen. One of the best QB talents and athletic dudes in the entire league.  So this is an amazing situation for Brady to really shine here.  We’ll see. If he can break Allen out of this slump he will be The Man.

I think it's insane but there's been a medium size contingent of people on this board who would disagree with you. Somebody last night compared Allen to Jay Cutler and they were serious.