Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Von Miller Tre White Dawson Knox In my eyes, you can do one of three things: 1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them 2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025 3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025 Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 White is almost no brainer to cut. It saves cap space. Stuck with Miller and Knox for another year. 3 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 All 3 contracts need to be addressed. Sadly Von and Tre are victim of circumstance/injury, but it's time to move on from all 3. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Miller was always a 3 year contract we were locked into. Thats why I said the ACL injury was a killer. Took 2 years of Von away while eating a lot of cap. It was a killer injury. Knox we’re also stuck with. Another killer contract if they can’t get 12 personnel to work. White can be released next year with some savings. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Yeah this really is the question. We've overspent on over the hill players and guys who will never be best of breed. Tre and Von are never going to be any better than merely adequate again. Knox? I'd give him another year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Before they just cut Tre outright, I think they discuss a restructuring to a level that would be more in line with his new market coming off injury, With Knox, I think they consider his value in more than just being a pass catching TE, but his blocking ability too. As for Von, depends his level of play by end of the season. But they’re kind of screwed there no matter what. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Knox and Miller are too new to do anything with this offseason. Any restructure will kick the can down the road. White, unless there's an injury settlement, is being assumed to return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Douglas could be an indication they may move on from White. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) I part with White (his days of meaningful football are likely behind him), trade Knox with little regard for the draft picks I likely get back (I don't need that $ tied up at TE), and I work as hard as I can to reach an agreement with Miller where he's not a Bill. He will be interested in doing a deal if I tell him that he won't be starting games. Miller to me isn't the vocal leader I want on the defense, and assuming the rest of the 2023 season looks like last night, his days of meaningful football are behind him. Edited November 6, 2023 by dpberr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Knox is the only one physically capable of giving reasonable value for the contract. He hasn't. But Von and Tre are probably done at this point. We're in a world of **** with the staff, roster and cap at this point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Knox and Miller you have to keep. Not much you can do about those. Tre White has played his last game as a Bill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 This will be the offseason that Brandon Beane will have to be ruthless. Up till now it's been pretty much apple pie and sunny days. Now he will earn his G.M. salary and won't be able to be Mr. Nice guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Bring Knox back. Assuming Tre can’t go work out an injury release from his contract. May have to eat Miller’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I think they do need to seriously consider clearing out a lot of cap and paying the piper in 2024. Accumulate assets. Honestly the schedule looks much 'easier' at this time, and even with a duct tape and band-aid roster with Josh Allen should compete for a playoff spot. Then in 2025 have a new window open with a younger and hungry group 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Add Poyer to that mix as well, although not that big of a deal cap wise.. He's done here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 It seems to me this offense performs best with 3 Wide and Kincaid split out. Shakir has been solid and has that agility and acceleration in short spaces that was similar to Cole. I don't know where Knox fits in anymore. I certainly hope Dorsey doesn't try and force this 12 personnel concept onto the offense when he gets healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack78 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Agree that Tre is definitely gone next year. I'd see what I can do in terms of trade/restructure with Von, otherwise I seriously consider cutting him and taking the medicine next year. Feels like we're stuck with Knox... which I think may be ok given he seems to be tight with Josh and at this point my biggest concern is Josh realizing he's wasting his career in Buffalo and wanting out. I'd add Morse to the list - I think he's gone next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Tear it down, eat as much crap in 2024 as possible in terms of cap hits, and start the rebuild in 2025. If McBeane had banked a championship already, they could have done it this year before the hole got too deep. Because they didn’t have that luxury, they were forced to push in good money after bad in hopes of getting lucky and winning with a bad hand. 2 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why? I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Marry: Tre White Bang: Dawnson Knox Kill: Von Miller oh wait, what game are we playing? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Contrary to popular belief, the Bills could really open a lot of Salary next year. Yes, they are deep in the red right now for next year. But I expect to see several cap casualties in the off season no matter how this year plays out. Nyheim Hines would save about 5M. Morse is possibly in his last year here. That 8M-ish. I believe Rasul Douglas will get re-signed if he shows well and that may lower his cap. Then you have the "usual moves". Restructure Allen for 25M-ish. And there are others. And just mentioning (NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE MOVE) a post June 1st trade of Stefon Diggs leaves nearly 9M in dead cap...but also clears 19M in space and the expected FA WR class looks stacked at the moment. I think we need a nice re-tool. Lots of directions for Beane to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Stuck with Miller for one more year. Even when we cut him after 2024 it's a massive dead cap hit of $9M for the 2025 and 2026. Brutal. Same thing with Knox, we are stuck with him for 2024 essentially. Hate to say it but Tre is likely gone this offseason. Can't justify his $16M cap hit compared to saving $10M if he's cut. The scary thing is (thanks to the restructures) Von only counts $8M towards our cap this year, next year he will count $24M towards the cap and there's not much Beane can do about it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Miller still has 15 million in dead money in 2025, that's in year 4 of his contract. White has 10 million in dead money if we cut him next year. Were stuck with Knox for 24 and 25, 14-15 million for a 15-25 yard a game guy. Beane turning into Mickey Loomis. Edited November 6, 2023 by billsfan714 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust The Process Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Release Von, Tre, Knox, Harty, Hines, Morse, and Taron Johnson. Swallow the cap hit in 2024 and replace them with young affordable players. Addition by subtraction. Edited November 6, 2023 by Trust The Process 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, QCity said: Stuck with Miller for one more year. Even when we cut him after 2024 it's a massive dead cap hit of $9M for the 2025 and 2026. Brutal. Same thing with Knox, we are stuck with him for 2024 essentially. Hate to say it but Tre is likely gone this offseason. Can't justify his $16M cap hit compared to saving $10M if he's cut. The scary thing is (thanks to the restructures) Von only counts $8M towards our cap this year, next year he will count $24M towards the cap and there's not much Beane can do about it now. Did Beane consult with you before he did this? It doesn't seem like he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Knox could still be decent. I'm not going to rule out him until he looks bad after Dorsey is gone, because he looked like a decent red zone threat under Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Bruffalo said: Knox could still be decent. I'm not going to rule out him until he looks bad after Dorsey is gone, because he looked like a decent red zone threat under Daboll. We missed Knox yesterday. He is both a bit overpaid, and also underrated (on here). Cincy has a tougher time covering TE's, and he probably would have given us a boost yesterday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 We're stuck with Von and Knox, for better or worse. Tre White, pay reduction or cut. Take a machete to the rest of the defense and let Gabe Davis walk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Von Miller Tre White Dawson Knox In my eyes, you can do one of three things: 1) Ride them out, be mediocre because you don't have any cap space to work with, pray to God you get some kind of production out of them 2) Burn them all after this season, eat the same cap ***** sandwich and emerge in a much healthier place in 2025 3) Cut two of three of them, triage-style, still eat the cap ***** sandwich and be better off in 2025 Are there any other options out there? I'm happy to hear them. Frankly it's time to blow it up... there is no way we can carry any of these players now. The media is right for a change... we missed our window and now we're sliding down the slope. You FORGOT Gabe Davis... time to move on from Mr. Invisible. However... All of this is moot if Dorsey and McD remain... they both have a lot to answer for. I saw last night the same problems that have plagued this team for a LONG time. If we make these major personnel moves then we must make staff changes as well. Edited November 6, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 White is done as a Bill. Miller is back next season due to the contract and cut after next season. I doubt Knox is going anywhere - perhaps a restructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, Process said: Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why? I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. It's true if you consider $15M a dead cap hit that you can't afford to take. That will be the cost after next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Miller still has 15 million in dead money in 2025, that's in year 4 of his contract. White has 10 million in dead money if we cut him next year. Were stuck with Knox for 24 and 25, 14-15 million for a 15-25 yard a game guy. Beane turning into Mickey Loomis. But his hit is over $16M so it makes sense to cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Hopefully Miller does the right thing, and retires. I know that doesn’t exactly fix his cap situation. He’s stealing money from the Bills. Same with Knox. Tre White could be a great safety to replace Poyer/Hyde, with a serious restructure of his contract. Edited November 6, 2023 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Say you're Brandon Beane: what do you do with these three contracts? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 On the bright side, there’s a better chance Miller will be more productive next year than this year, despite his age, based on the fact he is still a freak athlete, but Bills fans have unfortunately learned as well as anyone how difficult it is to come back from ACL injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Process said: Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why? I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. That guy is a cap specialist but I’m pretty sure they’ll save about $8 million cutting Von after year 3. Still a ton of dead cap but they’ll save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Process said: Is this true on Von? When did we restructure to make it essentially a four year deal? And why? I always thought it was three. Being stuck with him for two more years after this one would be brutal. Still a 3 year contract. It goes from catastrophic dead cap in the first 3 years to a 'workable' 15mm in year 4 for cutting him. Man does that deal look bad in hindsight. Knox and Miller have workable dead cap next season if we manage to trade them post June 1st. Can't imagine there's a market for them though. They've both been bad enough this year you might consider giving up assets for another team to take them on. Based on McBeane's history I think they're most likely to just ride them out next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Von - Stuck with it for at least 3 years. Just hope he returns to form. I'm not giving up on him like many here are. Tre - As much as I like the guy and want him to be a Bill forever. his body has kind of betrayed him and I don't think he can ever get back to the player he once was. You can save quite a bit by letting him go, so, unfortunately, business is business. See what his market is when he comes back and if nobody wants to pay him, maybe you could get him back at a discount. Wouldn't count on that, though. Knox - Ah.....the contract that should have never been signed in the first place. They didn't need to do it when they did it and now we're stuck paying a #2 TE premium money at the position for a while. And he isn't even the best TE on this team. But you watch......as soon as he comes back, the coaches will put him back as the #1 even if Kincaid continues his awesome production. I think with this staff, even if Kincaid puts up 100+ every game will still play Knox more as soon as he's healthy. They love the guy. Edited November 6, 2023 by sven233 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 von they stay with until they don't ahve to tre is gone knox has a chance to earn his spot back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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