Thrivefourfive Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 They beat one of the worst teams in the league. i like that McD shut down Jacobs and made the QB do what he does worse to beat try to score on us. I still hate Dorsey’s play calling, at least five times a game. Dumb *****. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Hating on McD is a way to protect your self from embarrassment and disappointment . After all 31 coaches are “losers” each year. Now you can be protected at the end of the season and boast about how you were right all year with your astute criticism. “Coach failed to deliver in the biggest moment again! “. I told all you homers months ago. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I think there are metrics that can be used to measure rhythm, like a QBs release time, drive time, play clock management, etc. I don't think it's totally subjective and could be analyzed. Rhythm doesn't determine overall success, but I'm sure it helps in the microscale game situations that contribute to wins and losses for the offense. Which one? Release time? Drive time? Play clock management? Exactly. You don't know. Nobody knows. It's subjective. It's one of the things people say when teams are consistently moving. The game has rhythm because of the play clock. For teams that are succeeding or failing. It's one of those things that feel right and sound right but don't really mean anything. 15 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: They beat one of the worst teams in the league. i like that McD shut down Jacobs and made the QB do what he does worse to beat try to score on us. I still hate Dorsey’s play calling, at least five times a game. Dumb *****. Yeah. Thing is people hated Daboll's play-calling too. He was loved widely around the league and there was a large group here attacking him every time something went wrong. Nobody like to attack the QB or the players. The OC is traditionally the scapegoat. It's how it all works. There is such a thing as bad play-calling. Can't remember the guy but one of our OCs around 10 years ago was found to be consistently going run-run-pass like 80% of the time. That's moronic. But beyond absolute predictability, good plays can be botched by bad execution and bad plays can be saved by bad execution and it's execution that's more generally to blame for bad performance. Oh, and beating bad teams happens often. Beating them by 28 points is pretty rare. Holding even bad teams to 10 points is terrific play. Scoring 38 yourself? Not common. It was a great game by the Bills. The last one was pretty awful. We shouldn't forget how awful Allen in particular played in that game. But this game was terrific. Edited September 19, 2023 by Thurman#1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Haters is such a cop out generic term. Posters have legitimate concerns about coaching. It can happen and not be a hater. McDermy is a good but not great coach. 13 seconds was my call for firing him. But he is a good coach and I don’t hate him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 4 hours ago, LarryMadman said: Lol, not hard to beat a Josh McDaniels team, he stinks! tell that to the broncos 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 We’re on to Washington 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, cgg716 said: The only playoff games they won where the D played well were Baltimore and NE. And NE was more of a case of a bumrush by the offense, kinda like yesterday. Awful against the Colts in a W, and utterly lifeless more times than I can count in regular season games. To boot completely unable to stop the run, year after year, and the earmarks of this year being even worse in that regard are thrre Sorry, remind me, did he say they played lousy in "every big game except play off games with Baltimore and NE, and bumrush games"? Or did he say in "every game"? That's right, he said it was in "every game." Nonsense. And the fact is the D was a huge factor in that Colts win in the playoffs. Huge. The Colts got the ball on their final drive with 2:30 left, down by a field goal. Plenty of time and a great chance. And couldn't move the ball against our defense, ended up throwing a hail mary from the 47. Forced them into a 13 play slow, unproductive drive, it was absolutely excellent play. And now you are doing the same thing, throwing out hogwash as if it's true. The Bills aren't "completely unable to stop the run, year after year." That's utter crap. All you have to do is look at how Jacobs did yesterday to know that's simply not true, nine carries for -2 yards. The Raiders went 15 carries for 55 yards, 3.7 YPC. But you don't have to stop there. The YPA stats show year after year we're good against the run. 13th best last year, 11th best the year before. Bad in 2020, 6th worst, 13th best in 2019. We're actually generally above average at run D. 22 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Haters is such a cop out generic term. Posters have legitimate concerns about coaching. It can happen and not be a hater. McDermy is a good but not great coach. 13 seconds was my call for firing him. But he is a good coach and I don’t hate him. Nah, he's a great coach, genuinely great. Not elite. He's still got things to prove, but he's absolutely top 5 - 7 or so. Edited September 19, 2023 by Thurman#1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 5 hours ago, T master said: So after the Jets game & even before that there were those here that wanted to fire McD, Dorsey, & start all over they said that the Bills would never win anything with McD & that Dorsey wasn't the answer also that Josh wasn't the QB he use to be ! They will change their mind after they decide that Josh Allen was not the wrong Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Which one? Release time? Drive time? Play clock management? All of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Dorsey was my biggest concern going into the season. I was encouraged somewhat from the Jets game, and I was extremely pleased with the Raider game. He used all 3 RBs very effectively and designed 3 long drives that ate up some clock, helping to keep our defense fresh. It was a very smart game plan and he stuck with it. I've never had an issue with McDermott that had me questioning his ability to coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 What I took out of the game is Josh Allen is capable of playing the short game. He just needs to do it. Sunday’s performance would’ve beaten the Jets, but that’s under the bridge now then we’re on to the commanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 I still don’t trust Dorsey to remain committed to running the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 5 years later and I am still wallowing in the success of this franchise with the new leadership. After 20 years of unmitigated suck, this is just great. go bills 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 12 hours ago, T master said: So after the Jets game & even before that there were those here that wanted to fire McD, Dorsey, & start all over they said that the Bills would never win anything with McD & that Dorsey wasn't the answer also that Josh wasn't the QB he use to be ! They had absolutely no faith in the possibility of the second year OC fitting the new personal into the scheme & being successful or would they even seem to want to give him a chance . But then yesterday what happened 38 to 10 VICTORY ! The D held last years NFL rushing leader to -2 yds for the ENTIRE GAME & the Raiders only had the 3 possessions in the second half . But those that SUCK so bad led the team to a 38 to 10 VICTORY !! Despite being a New season with New players, some new coaches it's the same old S**T no one sees any silver lining any where or the possibility of them being better just complain & fire every body because they suck . I wonder how high they were jumping in the air while watching the boys score the way they did while watching the game ? I don't get it ! How about this ? How about lets see how it plays out . I bet if they were to go all the way & all the haters jumped on board during the run to a championship but alas they would still find something to B**CH about . I listened to Josh on his post game interview & if you go listen to it on the Bills app he said "I love feeling like I did last week, because it motivates me to be better & I learn from the experience" his out look on losing is so much more mature than many here . I just hope the haters here learned something from the game & how the Bills as a hole bounced back and played better than the game against the Jets & the Jets didn't look nearly as good as they did against the Bills . Even with that said there were only a few plays in the Jets game that if played just a bit better the game would have been a W instead of a L . And i would be willing to bet with what the Bills learned from the mistakes they made in the FIRST GAME OF THE YEAR that the out come of the next game against the Jets will be a bit different . And the team will be better for it in the long run . GO BILLS !! I will say the same thing I said to the ones thinking the sky was falling after week 1. It is only 1 week. All silly talk of who should stay or be fired should at least wait till the half way point lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 12 hours ago, T master said: So after the Jets game & even before that there were those here that wanted to fire McD, Dorsey, & start all over they said that the Bills would never win anything with McD & that Dorsey wasn't the answer also that Josh wasn't the QB he use to be ! They had absolutely no faith in the possibility of the second year OC fitting the new personal into the scheme & being successful or would they even seem to want to give him a chance . But then yesterday what happened 38 to 10 VICTORY ! The D held last years NFL rushing leader to -2 yds for the ENTIRE GAME & the Raiders only had the 3 possessions in the second half . But those that SUCK so bad led the team to a 38 to 10 VICTORY !! Despite being a New season with New players, some new coaches it's the same old S**T no one sees any silver lining any where or the possibility of them being better just complain & fire every body because they suck . I wonder how high they were jumping in the air while watching the boys score the way they did while watching the game ? I don't get it ! How about this ? How about lets see how it plays out . I bet if they were to go all the way & all the haters jumped on board during the run to a championship but alas they would still find something to B**CH about . I listened to Josh on his post game interview & if you go listen to it on the Bills app he said "I love feeling like I did last week, because it motivates me to be better & I learn from the experience" his out look on losing is so much more mature than many here . I just hope the haters here learned something from the game & how the Bills as a hole bounced back and played better than the game against the Jets & the Jets didn't look nearly as good as they did against the Bills . Even with that said there were only a few plays in the Jets game that if played just a bit better the game would have been a W instead of a L . And i would be willing to bet with what the Bills learned from the mistakes they made in the FIRST GAME OF THE YEAR that the out come of the next game against the Jets will be a bit different . And the team will be better for it in the long run . GO BILLS !! I will say great game, but it's one game. Just like after week 1, talk to me at the end of the season. If Josh plays like "WCO" Josh ( that's what I'm calling Sundays josh) vs. "Sugar High Josh" I am betting Dorsey magically gets better 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 The game vs the Raiders was the first time that I saw what it would truly look like to have a well balanced rushing and passing attack. It was methodical and with a purpose. The rush attack was beautiful, hitting them with good runs up inside with a RB that can bounce it to the outside and cause some damage. The effective ground game with the 2 TE setup chipping at their DE's along with the play action is the way. This is the sort of offense that wins championships, I just hope that Allen can remain patient and make good decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 I lost faith in McDermott after 13 seconds. Still the Bills have proven to be a good regular season team. They still have to prove it in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Not down on either, but Dorsey's offense is looking much the same as last year. Even when they score a bunch of points they still look disjointed. There's no rhythm like there was with Daboll most of the time. As long as they win games, it's not a huge deal. I think it is a play calling style, though You're not allowed to say that after scoring 38 points.😉 I thought the same thing and said similar in another thread and had the usual vomit, eye rolls and thumbs down emojis. Edited September 19, 2023 by Billsfan1972 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 45 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: You're not allowed to say that after scoring 38 points.😉 I thought the same thing and said similar in another thread and had the usual vomit, eye rolls and thumbs down emojis. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 I don’t think anyone should be taking any victory laps yet, but Dorsey’s game plans thus far have shown a willingness to adapt and give Josh the “easy” plays we’ve been asking for. McD has also broken some trends with his playing of rookies and his aggressiveness. Let’s hope it continues. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, teef said: I love that I elicit such vitriol from some members here. Sure even if I pull out the pom poms and praise McD to the heavens😉, the same people will find something wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) Talk to me mid October, because we have some tough games that will define what this team is this year. As for warranted critisism of Beane and McDermott... they deserve it. Mistakes have been made that looked avoidable and have cost us a solid chunk of our championship window Edited September 19, 2023 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I love that I elicit such vitriol from some members here. Sure even if I pull out the pom poms and praise McD to the heavens😉, the same people will find something wrong. we know. you go looking for it, and when you don't find it, you go looking harder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 9 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: Haters is such a cop out generic term. Posters have legitimate concerns about coaching. It can happen and not be a hater. McDermy is a good but not great coach. 13 seconds was my call for firing him. But he is a good coach and I don’t hate him. Again you forget McD is the saviour of this franchise. He is a decent coach, but has his flaws. The Bills generally win or lose due to Allen as regardless how he plays, every opposing coach is scheming on both sides of the ball how to beat the Bills. This is the same with Mahomes as they are the two most dynamic qbs in football and you go into every game figuring out how the offence will score 27-30 vs. Buffalo or KC, control TOP and the defence holds them under 24. Yes plenty of games where they don't score that many (see first two weeks KC), but that doesn't mean the game plan changed. You don't want to see Mahomes or Allen on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 We expect the Bills to make the playoffs, so I wouldn't hang my hat on any 1 regular season game. When the bullets start flying in the post-season, we'll see what's what. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 15 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: IT WAS AGAINST THE RAIDERS. Our problems HAVE ALWAYS stemmed from playing our rivals and not much weaker teams. I'll revisit this post in a few weeks when we get to the heart of our schedule. Good teams are supposed to beat up on weak teams. Games against divisional rivals are always tough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, chris heff said: Good teams are supposed to beat up on weak teams. Games against divisional rivals are always tough. I think this was that reminder to the league that... Buffalo is not dead, they are not broken. They have a good team, a good team dynamic, and all the hullabaloo from the offseason was just noise. The best TEAMS go far, not just QBs, coaches, etc. These guys play for each other and it shows. We lost a close one to the jets... we lost one last year to them too. I expect that we're going to want to really kick their butts in November. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 He will still show his colors and be proven a chump. If I'm wrong I'll be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Eh? As others here have pointed out, the Raiders did nothing on defense…*nothing* The Jets D was neutered by Dallas. Not saying it’s apples v apples. But let’s revisit after Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 After TWO games?! One of them against an inferior Raiders team, and the other against a Jets team they should have demolished once Rodgers got knocked out. I think I'll wait 2-3 months and see where the Bills are at that time. But like many folks in here, I thought that McClappy should have been canned after the 13 second disaster. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Do you think there are worse Monday takes on this forum after a win or a loss? Honestly, I would probably have to say after a win, maybe because a loss keeps a lot of the wackos away lol? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 Nothings really changed. Especially not with a win over the Raiders. See how the season ends for me. We could win 12 and have another heart breaking finish in playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 16 hours ago, T master said: McDermott record , 62 W - 36 L actually now 63W - 37 L's !! Dorsey record , 14 W - 4 L in the regular season Not to bad for his first season . 4-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 2 hours ago, eball said: I don’t think anyone should be taking any victory laps yet, but Dorsey’s game plans thus far have shown a willingness to adapt and give Josh the “easy” plays we’ve been asking for. McD has also broken some trends with his playing of rookies and his aggressiveness. Let’s hope it continues. I nominate this post for post of the day—perfectly encapsulates what we should be taking away from this point in the season, imho. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, LeGOATski said: All of them. Fine. What's the ratio? 30/20/40? With the remaining 10 for number of delay of game penalties? Remind me, where did the Bills rank last year in rhythm in the NFL? Were they 22nd? 17th? You're doing an excellent job proving my point. It doesn't exist except as a vague generalization, basically meaning consistently successful. Edited September 19, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 I haven't been complaining about Dorsey.... but I'm not a fan of McD. When has his coaching moves helped the team over the hump in a big, difficult game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 18 hours ago, Augie said: I say we are two games in, and we are a .500 team. I’m not a hater, but I see the big picture. Nothing is certain at this point. Let’s win the next one. Then keep moving. A bit early to schedule any parades, I’m afraid. The negative knee jerk reaction after a single loss should be a lesson if you want to overreact over a single win. . PSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 16-1 BABY!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 We should be 2-0 and we are 1-1. That is underachieving. Come back after 8 games. If we the Bills are worse than 6-2 that will also be a disappointment. If we miss the 1 seed by 1 game, then yes the Jets loss sucks. If we miss the playoffs altogether then it is a huge disappointment. Anything less than an AFC championship game will be a let down. Just the reality of where this team should be at. So when you play a stinker and your game looks like the smell, then you can criticize everyone. There are no free passes unless its game 17 and your resting your whole roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 52 minutes ago, cage said: I haven't been complaining about Dorsey.... but I'm not a fan of McD. When has his coaching moves helped the team over the hump in a big, difficult game? Considering he moved on from Dennison to Daboll I could argue that took us from just a team that makes it to playoffs to one that can win a round or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 (edited) Need more time to evaluate -- I liked the play calling better and the execution better on the offense side of the ball against a potentially weak opponent in the LVR. I also have liked McD's defense through the first 2 games. We will be in a better place to review their performances in about 8 more games. Edited September 19, 2023 by BillsFan692 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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