Should Josh Allen be tougher on Diggs?

[AuntieEm]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree. The nice guy personality with Josh needs to transition to a leader willing to critique and even "get in the face" of your players for lack of performance. Brady did it his whole career.  And I've seen Mahomes do it too.

 

 

 

That's all well and good but he has to get in the face of those that aren't getting the job done not the players like Diggs that always show up.  I have yet to see a game where Diggs is giving only a half-assed effort.  

 

And not like Josh was killing it all game only being let down by his weapons.  With some of the rumors around Josh and Brittany having a fight that resulted in police being called in well seems there maybe some facts we as fans aren't likely to know. 

 

New year some new pieces to fix the oline.  I don't worry bout Diggs showing up each game.   I think Josh alluding to being a QB first, means he's accepting he has to be smarter taking less hits so he can play well through a long season.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rebel101]

Honestly Allen has to be getting highly effected by Diggs I believe a lot of his INTs last year were from either forcing it to Diggs or DBs knowing it was 100% going to Diggs after the scramble, also I feel like that started causing Allen to not even go Diggs way until late into games as the season went on. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[AuntieEm]

21 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

It’s all going to end in tears with Diggs eventually blowing up and wanting out…

 

Hopefully a couple of years away still and they won’t have to eat too much dead money…

 

I hope not because if Diggs blows up and wants out it's  because this team will have failed to play to their ability again.

 

I'd rather the team come out and everyone executes their roles with minimal errors. They do that then there's not alot of teams they can't go toe to toe with and the outcome will be who swings and misses as there are a number of quality teams these days.   Once that becomes the norm you pretty much guarantee your team a playoff berth and if it's the norm there's no need to ramp it up and get hot at right time.  It's easier to perform at your normal levels than to amp it up.  Less spur of moment plays but when you are steadily moving the chains the need for those is low.  

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Other way around. Diggs play is nearly flawless. Allen was careless with the ball last year. Allen is amazing but he needs to play cleaner this year even if that means taking the check down from time to time. Allen needs to trust his guys can make plays with the ball too.

[machine gun kelly]

What do some of you not want to have Diggs at the core care about winning and so what if he’s pissed.

 

These critics sounds like you never played sports at a high level.  I had guys pissed all the time when losing or the game was lost.  I even remember my Dad as a kid was not someone you talked with after a significant loss and that wa freakin softball.  Granted it was a really competitive league, but he’s also in the NYS HOF for both baseball and softball, was given a tryout by the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1955 when he returned from the Korean War.  He’s had 3 hole in 1’s, bowled a 300 game, and on and on.

 

Competitors are fiery in a loss to a big game where you weren’t even competitive.  Big deal, he was pissed, yelled at his QB, and was right that he wasn’t targeted enough.  But it wasn’t that as the only reason of so many why we lost.

 

Beane needs to give $24 mil in a signing bonus spread over 3 yrs.,  a $1-3mil. Salary for the first 2 years and Jack up the 3rd year to some absurd number we can get out of if we need to do so.

 

Then we have Diggs, D Hop, Davis, with Sherfield or Harty subbing in for Davis at times, then DK 2 for 12, Harris and Labonte as our bangers, and Cook as our Kamara we hope.

Edited May 27, 2023 by machine gun kelly

[Bag of Milk]

I don't particularly think Diggs is a player who would respond well to hard coaching.

[streetkings01]

Diggs is a grown man……how another grown man gonna tell another grown man what he should be doing? Josh ain’t paying Diggs ……Pegulas are.

[Billl]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

He wasn't trying to get him going, he was throwing a tantrum. It was reported Allen had missed a throw he'd been struggling with in practice leading up to Bengals game and Diggs was in his face yelling 'what's your excuse now Josh?'

If that's true, Diggs should be gone.

[billsbackto81]

Go sign Hopkins.

 

Betcha Diggs shows up bright and early next day once that happens.

[Magox]

Allen is going to need to develop more of a hard edge to his persona.   He’s been great, it’s just time to take it up a notch from the leadership standpoint.  There is something to be said with how Brady commanded and earned the respect of his teammates.

[Free Speech]

Diggs is getting too much of a pass. He's a problem. He has no way out. He is flush with cash after the restructures. He should show up and play. 

[LabattBlue]

I am NOT surprised that many people chalk up Diva Diggs outbursts as “fiery competitor”. 
 

Some fans are so afraid to criticize bad behavior. 
 

Because of the amount of dead cap money, he is a Bill for at least two more seasons, but look for him to be gone after that. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, streetkings01 said:

Diggs is a grown man……how another grown man gonna tell another grown man what he should be doing?

The same way Peyton Manning did.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I was more concerned about Allen's demeanor on the sideline. It reminded me of Thurman losing his helmet, in the second Cowpukes Superbowl. His meltdown brought the entire team down, in XXVII, and we didn't score again.

In Allen's case, it was apathy, but the same end result.

 

I have to respectfully disagree. It may have been a lot of things, but it was not apathy. Distraction and countless other descriptions, but I don’t think it was apathy. 

[nbbillsfan]

Believe me or not, no biggie, but I have first hand knowledge of their relationship.

 

For years Josh has walked on eggshells with Diggs -despite them being quite close. Josh wants to win bad, and felt like he needed Diggs locked in and feeling good to accomplish that, so he often eats the “sh1t sandwich” instead of checking Diggs. Josh worries that if he checks Diggs too much, Diggs will view that as a personal attack and will check out on the team. I think it would have been different if Josh were older/more established when Diggs got here. They are like a couple who were immature when they met and have bad habits. 

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

 

Some fans are so afraid to criticize bad behavior. 
 

Homers gonna homer.

[klos63]

If Josh needs to be tough on anyone, it's Dorsey.

 

Also, until the offensive line is no longer the biggest concern on this team, I don't really care what Diggs is doing.

[MDH]

Manning wouldn’t tolerate “bad behavior” by Harrison? Harrison, unlike Diggs, had several serious bahvavioral issues and I never heard Manning say a word about any of it.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/114971-marvin-harrison-the-nfls-quiet-bad-boy-wide-receiver

 

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The story reported that in 2003, before an AFC wild-card game, Harrison grabbed a New York Jets ball boy by the throat after a ball the kid was fielding violated Harrison's "personal space" as he played catch with Manning. Later, at a medical station, the boy's neck showed marks from Harrison's choke job. 

 

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And that's not all. The story reported that in 2005, three nights before the Pro Bowl, Harrison again grabbed the neck of an innocent teenager. This time, the kid had shown the audacity to keep pestering Harrison for an autograph. So what was the Pro Bowler's response? 

He took a swing at the kid, "then grabbed him by the throat and put an arm around his neck." After some more physical play—hey, maybe Marvin thought he was on the football field, right?—Harrison and his friends ran off. 

 

So don’t lecture us about Manning “holding Harrison accountable.” 🙄

Edited May 27, 2023 by MDH

[K-9]

Sometimes there just aren’t enough face palm emojis to go around.

[Einstein]

19 minutes ago, MDH said:

Manning wouldn’t tolerate “bad behavior” by Harrison? Harrison, unlike Diggs, had several serious bahvavioral issues and I never heard Manning say a word about any of it.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/114971-marvin-harrison-the-nfls-quiet-bad-boy-wide-receiver

 

"The alleged altercation occurred Feb. 12, when the boys approached Harrison, who was talking on his cellular phone at the Waikiki resort... Without provocation, the suit says, the two men, later joined by Harrison, attacked the boys."

 

You actually believe that? lol.

Without provocation, Harrison decided to choke random teens? lol

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Einstein

[Goin Breakdown]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Love Josh but this is one concern of mine with him. That isn’t the first time we’ve seen that zombie stare from him.

I remember the first couple years of josh. They always said he had ice in his veins and nothing seemed to faze him. I kinda miss that josh. That in my opinion is the difference between him and the Qb that I will not speak of here. Josh needs that back. Maybe it's Diggs barking at him, maybe it's the coaches always telling him to slide and be careful idk but he gets fazed often enough

[klos63]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I remember the first couple years of josh. They always said he had ice in his veins and nothing seemed to faze him. I kinda miss that josh. That in my opinion is the difference between him and the Qb that I will not speak of here. Josh needs that back. Maybe it's Diggs barking at him, maybe it's the coaches always telling him to slide and be careful idk but he gets fazed often enough

I think the fact his line often gave him maybe less than 1 second to throw probably has had an effect on him. 

[Mikie2times]

28 minutes ago, MDH said:

Manning wouldn’t tolerate “bad behavior” by Harrison? Harrison, unlike Diggs, had several serious bahvavioral issues and I never heard Manning say a word about any of it.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/114971-marvin-harrison-the-nfls-quiet-bad-boy-wide-receiver

 

 

 

So don’t lecture us about Manning “holding Harrison accountable.” 🙄

I'm not saying anything regarding Harrison, or even if it's good or bad quality. People are just wired different. Peyton, by all accounts, did not have any issue getting in a players face. Josh isn't wired that way. That doesn't mean he is less or not capable of being a great leader. If he took a personality assessment many of us take for work, like the DISC assessment, his dominance score would be low and his influence score would be high. He will lead by inspiring, positive energy, etc. Not my way or the highway or with force. Diggs would be the opposite type. His dominance score would be very high. Possibly with a decent influence score as well.  Diggs is more of what society considers to be an alpha type personality.

 

I think all this nit picking with Diggs all offseason is way over the top. Maybe Diggs just understands life matters more than some OTA. Maybe he understands he will never get the time back he has right now again. It's a long offseason, so why not enjoy being a human being. All of which I could care less so long as he brings it on Sundays. I will say, I'm rather tired of Beane and teammates justifying is temper tantrums. The whole, he's so competitive stuff is just malarkey. Who isn't highly competitive at this level? It's not an excuse to be a crappy teammate and show your a$$. I hope that stuff stops and he learns to be more of a professional. 

[MJS]

Love it. Keep the negativity coming. It will all be motivation for the players and help them continue to fly under the radar.

[Goin Breakdown]

15 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I think the fact his line often gave him maybe less than 1 second to throw probably has had an effect on him. 

Yeah. There's that for sure. Good call. 

[Shemp]

I wonder if Diggs is a bit mental.

[Nelius]

I don't understand how exactly he would be tougher, but the second Josh calls Diggs out is when the lights will officially start to dim. It's counter to Josh's personality and wouldn't seem natural. I can only assume that this is the type of toughness that some expect, but Josh is never going to question one of his guys publicly.

[Freddie's Dead]

No.

[Doc Brown]

Diggs knows he only has a few more seasons left at an elite level.  He wants a Super Bowl and has come up short three straight years in the playoffs.  He should do everything in his power to try and get the best out of Allen and the team around him.  I'm not sure if not being at OTA's, posting cryptic tweets, and not doing anything to "quell" the fears of some fans/teammates (maybe) he's not all in for next season is his way of saying that.....but I got nothing else.

[DefenseWins]

At this point I'm not too concerned with Diggs perceived attitude. All Top Athletes seem to have "Alpha" tendencies. As long as he doesn't start throwing furniture through second floor balconies I think things will work themselves out. Right now I am abit more concerned with Josh and our OC. Maybe as fans we got a little used to having Daboll to kick arouund. Hopefully Josh and Dorsey can learn from last year and improve in year 2 of their new schemes. Signing Dhop wouldn't hurt either. Kincaid shouldn't hurt either. No offense to Tommy Doyle but Kincaid should be a step up in class at that position.

Edited May 28, 2023 by DefenseWins

[Ya Digg?]

It’s quite amusing that some people on here think that the only way to be a good leader is to be “tougher” and “get in someone’s face” and yell at them publicly during a game. Getting angry and yelling at your teammates or slamming things on the sideline doesn’t make you a great leader or show you have more passion than anyone else. It shows you can’t handle your temper, that’s it. People need to stop equating 5 year old temper tantrums with being this amazing competitor 

[Dopey]

20 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

 

I don't know what people were expecting Josh to do.  He was under almost instant pressure the entire game and it looked like the entire O-line had already checked out and their brains were sitting on a beach sipping Mai Tais in the offseason.

Everyone was off that game. Including Josh. He was terrible, even when he had time. It’s ok to acknowledge that. 

[Eastport bills]

Diggs and Allen must be connected in every way on and off the field for this team to succeed. Allen knows the volatility of his #1target and treads lightly. My guess is that Diggs shows up for mandatory training camp and brings the rest of the receivers production expectations to his standards. Don’t diminish his importance to the offense. Our team’s  production is directly proportionate to his involvement. When Dorsey started using Diggs as a distraction in order to open  up low percentage vertical shots last season, our offense suffered. Allen had to run more and Diggs became frustrated not getting  the ball. With more emphasis on a running game and two TE sets, Diggs and Davis should have plenty of single coverage. I trust Allen’s leadership skills. 

[nucci]

12 hours ago, MJS said:

Love it. Keep the negativity coming. It will all be motivation for the players and help them continue to fly under the radar.

Allen and the Bills will continue to fly under the radar? Allen is in the news constantly

[BillsFan692]

13 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I remember the first couple years of josh. They always said he had ice in his veins and nothing seemed to faze him. I kinda miss that josh. That in my opinion is the difference between him and the Qb that I will not speak of here. Josh needs that back. Maybe it's Diggs barking at him, maybe it's the coaches always telling him to slide and be careful idk but he gets fazed often enough

It's easy to be great when expectations are low and you're over-achieving. It's harder when you are pegged 'super bowl favorites' #1 QB in the world with all the expectation and pressure to perform lying on your shoulders it will of course effect the young man but he also has to grow into it. Josh is human and he can make mistakes just like any other person. I have confidence that he is still the man when push comes to shove I wouldn't want any other QB on my team.

[Billz4ever]

2 hours ago, Dopey said:

Everyone was off that game. Including Josh. He was terrible, even when he had time. It’s ok to acknowledge that. 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

   Diggs is just a diva it happens with these number 1 receiver types…check the antics of Tyreek Hill sometime. 
  Josh does give him a ton of leeway though imagine if Allen acted like Diggs on the sideline and called out his teammates.

  The one thing Diggs better realize is if he did get to realize his wish of playing with his brother in Dallas. If he wasn’t happy with Josh freaking Allen throwing him the ball wait till he gets a load of Dak Prescott….Jerry would have to hire a sideline therapist for the guy. 

Edited May 28, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

From my small experience last year where I was lucky enough to enjoy 3 games in a row behind the Bills bench, I always found it interesting to watch Allen coming off the field. It seemed like almost always he would just sit off by himself glued to Joe Brady. He Didn’t really seem to converse much with the  the lineman, receivers..

 

Where on the other hand Diggs was Almost always talking things up these guys going up and down the sideline. 

 

Probably just different styles of leadership /personalities but I just seemed to find it interesting. 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[klos63]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

Allen and the Bills will continue to fly under the radar? Allen is in the news constantly

besides being in the news constantly, they continue to fly under the radar.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Wish Josh would do this.