Chugga Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I just don’t get it. You want someone running jet sweeps we have McKenzie and for far cheaper. You want a threat in the return game we have Nyheim Hines and once again for much cheaper. This just seems like a weird use of resources. Obviously I could be wrong and maybe he adds something dynamic that I just don’t see but it seems awfully expensive when we could have taken a flier on a 6th round WR at a fraction of the cost and paid for a MLB instead 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Chugga said: I just don’t get it. You want someone running jet sweeps we have McKenzie and for far cheaper. You want a threat in the return game we have Nyheim Hines and once again for much cheaper. This just seems like a weird use of resources. Obviously I could be wrong and maybe he adds something dynamic that I just don’t see but it seems awfully expensive when we could have taken a flier on a 6th round WR at a fraction of the cost and paid for a MLB instead Apparently a bunch of NFL GM's disagree with you. Handful of teams wanted him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: Apparently a bunch of NFL GM's disagree with you. Handful of teams wanted him And I’m sure those handful of teams don’t have McKenzie or Hines. I’m not knocking his merit as a player I’m wondering where he fits and if it was the optimal signing. Won’t have an answer for that until kickoff but I guess I’m just surprised by the pickup with the needs of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I bet he sees the field way more than expected. His speed and explosiveness should make him the 3rd or 4th option. He's dangerous underneath and deep He could. I’m sure they’re signing him with the idea that he can outperform the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said: Based on? Over 4 seasons played in 40 out of 66 possible games, started only 4, caught all of 64 balls for 793 yards, 8.9 avg and a whole 4 TDs? That averages out to 10 games per season, 1 start, 1.6 catches and 19.8 per game and 1 TD a year? McKenzie, who is 2" taller, over the same time frame played in 61 out of 66 possible games, started 25 of them, caught 119 balls for 1137 yards, 9.6 avg, 11 TDs. He's a returner who plays some WR He's been brought here to be a wide receiver. He's had 9 fumbles in less than 100 touches. Every one of them came as a returner. He's not going to be playing special teams unless it's an emergency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chugga Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I can only assume they are bringing him in to be a severely poor man’s Tyreek Hill which I can get on board with. But the skeptic in me is still waiting on the edge of his seat waiting to see the packages we have for Nyheim Hines that sadly never surfaced in 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lothar said: He's been brought here to be a wide receiver. He's had 9 fumbles in less than 100 touches. Every one of them came as a returner. He's not going to be playing special teams unless it's an emergency. Why would they bring in a guy who was a pro bowl and all pro returner to not play special teams but line him up at WR where he hasn't exactly set the world on fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: how is he not? He's 3rd of WR and 4th overall in yards, had 5 TDs total, caught 65% of his passes (with the drops). That's a chunk for WR3 IMO, he was supposed to do more or they wanted more out of him. He was replacing Beasley and was supposed to give us that more athletic slot guy and can get a little more YAC. That type of production is something that's not totally hard to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: IMO, he was supposed to do more or they wanted more out of him. He was replacing Beasley and was supposed to give us that more athletic slot guy and can get a little more YAC. That type of production is something that's not totally hard to replace. I understand. But it must be harder than we think, given McD's struggle thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: I understand. But it must be harder than we think, given McD's struggle thus far. I think we've been pretty good in the slot when we had Beasley 2019-2021. Last year that was a big issue without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think we've been pretty good in the slot when we had Beasley 2019-2021. Last year that was a big issue without him. Yes, that's pretty much it. He was a good pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Not sure if this was posted anywhere. Just one guy's opinion, but from someone who watches the Aint's. Who is Deonte Harty? Saints Wire dishes intel on new Bills WR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I’m sure this was mentioned somewhere in the 29 pages of this thread, but it is possible that he could be a Jamison Crowder replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 54 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said: Why would they bring in a guy who was a pro bowl and all pro returner to not play special teams but line him up at WR where he hasn't exactly set the world on fire? Because they have vision, 1 hour ago, Chugga said: I just don’t get it. You want someone running jet sweeps we have McKenzie and for far cheaper. You want a threat in the return game we have Nyheim Hines and once again for much cheaper. This just seems like a weird use of resources. Obviously I could be wrong and maybe he adds something dynamic that I just don’t see but it seems awfully expensive when we could have taken a flier on a 6th round WR at a fraction of the cost and paid for a MLB instead Because you don’t see him the way the bills see him. As a WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I was about to post the same thing, granted he is a Pro Bowl return man but even so. Yikes. lol those numbers are pretty much peanuts nowadays. Calm down 1 hour ago, Chugga said: I just don’t get it. You want someone running jet sweeps we have McKenzie and for far cheaper. You want a threat in the return game we have Nyheim Hines and once again for much cheaper. This just seems like a weird use of resources. Obviously I could be wrong and maybe he adds something dynamic that I just don’t see but it seems awfully expensive when we could have taken a flier on a 6th round WR at a fraction of the cost and paid for a MLB instead Yeah but Harty is a far better player and a million more on the cap isn’t anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BobbyC81 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 hours ago, DJB said: Woah seems overpaid yikes Definitely. 64 receptions in 4 years. I don’t get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Chugga said: I can only assume they are bringing him in to be a severely poor man’s Tyreek Hill which I can get on board with. But the skeptic in me is still waiting on the edge of his seat waiting to see the packages we have for Nyheim Hines that sadly never surfaced in 2022. You can’t say that. Board police will put you in cuffs. 1 hour ago, FlaFitz1 said: Why would they bring in a guy who was a pro bowl and all pro returner to not play special teams but line him up at WR where he hasn't exactly set the world on fire? Especially with this Coach. Hines ended up playing ST immediately and never emerged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: You can’t say that. Board police will put you in cuffs. Especially with this Coach. Hines ended up playing ST immediately and never emerged. Because he was 3rd on the depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, The Jokeman said: Because he was 3rd on the depth chart. We’ll see. I’m highly skeptical that a 5’6” 170 pounder is going to be a regular starter on this team. Beane thought he was giving McDermott and Dorsey a weapon in Hines and he touched the ball 11 times on offense. The Bills just don’t have a track record of getting these types of players involved. McKenzie is a small slot and Allen struggled to get him the ball with any efficiency. Like others have said, nothing against the player, but I just don’t see how you can rely on him as a real player. He’s never been counted on to really produce as a Top 3 option, and he’s never been counted on to be healthy. I’ll be surprised if he emerges as more than a bit player for the Bills. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 6 hours ago, CapeBreton said: Nice, I did see a report that the Bills were looking for a field stretching WR in the draft, guess that won't be happening anymore but the guy was right. ! Boy this draft diamonds is some groundbreaking, new wave , analytics based , out of the box way of thinking ! Wow, “ the BILLS are keeping it quiet that they “SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR A GUY THAT CAN GET DOWN THE FIELD IN A HURRY!” That’s the type of stuff i am sure the Bills were hoping would never get out or occur to other football teams ; imagine , looking at SPEEDY (AS OPPOSED TO THE USUAL SLOW GUYS I GUESS WE LOOKED FOR in prior drafts?) ROOKIE WIDE RECEIVERS! Not only speedy but they can get DOWN the field in a HURRY TOO; so not just fast but they have a sense of urgency, like if someone was chasing them ! This is why the BILLS SCOUTS are playing chess and teams like Miami , CINCY, & KC are playing dominoes,,,or maybe checkers ! Sounds like we are in good hands and ahead of the curve this year. Wont be seeing the Bills wr’s running merry go round crap like REID AND KC, cuz who got time for that when we are now looking to get down the field in a hurry! Sounds like Dorsey has already begun to use all that they ‘learned from this loss” and now it’s about WR’S who are in a hurry , pressed for time GOING to the private workouts! Or maybe coming FROM the private workouts, I’m not sure as they weren’t exactly clear about direction, except they will be headed DOWN somewhere in a HURRY; probably tough to get precise clarification when these guys they’re talking about seem to be in a hurry to get going fast! Well, this is a great, comforting start to free agency as now we know we are headed DOWN , FAST, AND IN A HURRY! I sensed that new direction after the CINCY game. Good to get confirmation from a professional publication like DRAFT DIAMONDS, and they sure dropped a diamond in the rough with this tweet, a real gem ! This is the type of publication that the subscription price might be going DOWNhill , fast, in a hurry if they keep dropping rare forms of analysis like this little nugget ! Hey, I’m sure they will get better as they feel the PRESSURE of fast approaching deadlines and keep getting these deep analytical tweets out rapidly,,,,,,in a hurry,,,with urgency ! Good luck and keep up the hard,,,,work! 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said: Definitely. 64 receptions in 4 years. I don’t get it. 36 of them came just last season for 570 yards. What does this and the money say to me? That he was given an opportunity last season to show what he could do as a speedster deep threat. And obviously, given what he was paid - teams around the league saw something there that could potentially be taken to the next level given more opportunities. We all get caught up with big names and big production. But teams are always looking at young players who have shown things that can be translated and expanded upon. In Harty and McGovern, I feel Beane has targeted a couple young players that have shown big time promise and have the potential for growth early. The talk of "overpaying" to me speaks more to the interest other teams around the league had for the players and seeing the same things. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: 36 of them came just last season for 570 yards. What does this and the money say to me? That he was given an opportunity last season to show what he could do as a speedster deep threat. And obviously, given what he was paid - teams around the league saw something there that could potentially be taken to the next level given more opportunities. We all get caught up with big names and big production. But teams are always looking at young players who have shown things that can be translated and expanded upon. In Harty and McGovern, I feel Beane has targeted a couple young players that have shown big time promise and have the potential for growth early. The talk of "overpaying" to me speaks more to the interest other teams around the league had for the players and seeing the same things. That was two seasons ago. He played the first 4 games this year and caught 2 passes. So no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Remember the short bubble screen Josh used to love throwing to Brown? Get ready for more of that... I'm trying to remember what the audible call was... @LeGOATski "Gold rip" was the call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: We’ll see. I’m highly skeptical that a 5’6” 170 pounder is going to be a regular starter on this team. Beane thought he was giving McDermott and Dorsey a weapon in Hines and he touched the ball 11 times on offense. The Bills just don’t have a track record of getting these types of players involved. McKenzie is a small slot and Allen struggled to get him the ball with any efficiency. Like others have said, nothing against the player, but I just don’t see how you can rely on him as a real player. He’s never been counted on to really produce as a Top 3 option, and he’s never been counted on to be healthy. I’ll be surprised if he emerges as more than a bit player for the Bills. Dorsey needs to make a significant leap in finding a way to utilize the talent provided to him. Fella earlier today was looking at some highlights and said he was reminded of Darren Sproles. (Yes, different position, but the comp doesn't seem a stretch.) That kind of instant energy for the offense would be a welcome addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Boy this draft diamonds is some groundbreaking, new wave , analytics based , out of the box way of thinking ! Wow, “ the BILLS are keeping it quiet that they “SEEM TO BE LOOKING FOR A GUY THAT CAN GET DOWN THE FIELD IN A HURRY!” That’s the type of stuff i am sure the Bills were hoping would never get out or occur to other football teams ; imagine , looking at SPEEDY (AS OPPOSED TO THE USUAL SLOW GUYS I GUESS WE LOOKED FOR in prior drafts?) ROOKIE WIDE RECEIVERS! Not only speedy but they can get DOWN the field in a HURRY TOO; so not just fast but they have a sense of urgency, like if someone was chasing them ! This is why the BILLS SCOUTS are playing chess and teams like Miami , CINCY, & KC are playing dominoes,,,or maybe checkers ! Sounds like we are in good hands and ahead of the curve this year. Wont be seeing the Bills wr’s running merry go round crap like REID AND KC, cuz who got time for that when we are now looking to get down the field in a hurry! Sounds like Dorsey has already begun to use all that they ‘learned from this loss” and now it’s about WR’S who are in a hurry , pressed for time GOING to the private workouts! Or maybe coming FROM the private workouts, I’m not sure as they weren’t exactly clear about direction, except they will be headed DOWN somewhere in a HURRY; probably tough to get precise clarification when these guys they’re talking about seem to be in a hurry to get going fast! Well, this is a great, comforting start to free agency as now we know we are headed DOWN , FAST, AND IN A HURRY! I sensed that new direction after the CINCY game. Good to get confirmation from a professional publication like DRAFT DIAMONDS, and they sure dropped a diamond in the rough with this tweet, a real gem ! This is the type of publication that the subscription price might be going DOWNhill , fast, in a hurry if they keep dropping rare forms of analysis like this little nugget ! Hey, I’m sure they will get better as they feel the PRESSURE of fast approaching deadlines and keep getting these deep analytical tweets out rapidly,,,,,,in a hurry,,,with urgency ! Good luck and keep up the hard,,,,work! 😊 I’ve followed the guy for a long time (7+ years maybe?) and chatted with him back when I had Twitter, he’s a small school scout and a Bills fan. His connects are legit as he knows lots of scouts/agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Dorsey needs to make a significant leap in finding a way to utilize the talent provided to him. Fella earlier today was looking at some highlights and said he was reminded of Darren Sproles. (Yes, different position, but the comp doesn't seem a stretch.) That kind of instant energy for the offense would be a welcome addition. 1. First he hast to stay healthy 2. Second he's gotta contribute as a punt return threat. 3. Third he's gotta fill that deep threat plus bubble screen role effectively. If he can accomplish these markers and maybe give us 5-6 tds and 600 yards he'll be worth the 3.7 cap hit. If some of these expectations fail, then yes it's an overpay. We'll see what chemistry develops with Josh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Special K said: I’m sure this was mentioned somewhere in the 29 pages of this thread, but it is possible that he could be a Jamison Crowder replacement. That's a really good question. So reportedly (for example, per Taron Johnson who covered Beasley and who covered them both in practice), the thing that Crowder had was that Beasley-like ability to get on the same page with Allen as far as how they read the defense post-snap and to find the gaps or seams in zone coverage whereas McKenzie's thing was "speed, mostly". Allen is on record saying that McKenzie is really really good at getting open against man, but the Bills don't see all that much man coverage (I'm sure someone here knows the % man we faced last season). McKenzie is on record as saying he can get open against zone, but evidently he and Allen either aren't on the same page or Allen doesn't trust him to read it the same way or their timing was off or something. Shakir to my eyes was not reading zone correctly most of the season - he would throw up his "mail flag" when I'd look and say "oh, no, dangerous throw" (this is just what I saw, I didn't see his every snap). I haven't seen enough of Hardy to even know where he played - I would assume lining up in the slot, because he seems very small to be able to get a free release off the line - much less how he fared against zone vs man coverage. In his best year, 2021, the Saints were being QB'd by Siemian, Winston, and Taysom Hill and their WR corps did not inspire a lot of fear, I think, so I'm guessing he faced a lot of man, but it's only a guess. Edited March 15, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 30 minutes ago, ngbills said: That was two seasons ago. He played the first 4 games this year and caught 2 passes. So no. Ah, I see. Sorry, when you Google him they list 2021 after 2022 on the stats for some reason and his Wikipedia doesn't list 2022 stats at all. Either way, it appears he went on IR after those couple games so his 2022 campaign was a wash. 2021 was his last actual season. And in that year: The idea here is to invest in a player they see can become a star. And if that happens, the "overpay" will become a "bargain". If it doesn't, then you took a chance and didn't completely break the bank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: 36 of them came just last season for 570 yards. What does this and the money say to me? That he was given an opportunity last season to show what he could do as a speedster deep threat. And obviously, given what he was paid - teams around the league saw something there that could potentially be taken to the next level given more opportunities. We all get caught up with big names and big production. But teams are always looking at young players who have shown things that can be translated and expanded upon. In Harty and McGovern, I feel Beane has targeted a couple young players that have shown big time promise and have the potential for growth early. The talk of "overpaying" to me speaks more to the interest other teams around the league had for the players and seeing the same things. I like that they have gone the potential route vs one last ride route with aging veterans on inflated deals. You can see where McGovern could be a long term solution at OG. I can see that Harty could be a dynamic slot and be a weapon down field. Neither player stops them from drafting a guy but takes a need for an immediate starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 56 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Dorsey needs to make a significant leap in finding a way to utilize the talent provided to him. Fella earlier today was looking at some highlights and said he was reminded of Darren Sproles. (Yes, different position, but the comp doesn't seem a stretch.) That kind of instant energy for the offense would be a welcome addition. DeAndre Hopkins as another #1 WR would be a welcome addition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Ah, I see. Sorry, when you Google him they list 2021 after 2022 on the stats for some reason and his Wikipedia doesn't list 2022 stats at all. Either way, it appears he went on IR after those couple games so his 2022 campaign was a wash. 2021 was his last actual season. And in that year: The idea here is to invest in a player they see can become a star. And if that happens, the "overpay" will become a "bargain". If it doesn't, then you took a chance and didn't completely break the bank. I really hope so. But to me it’s like buying a lotto ticket vs putting in the work. I hope I wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 We clearly want a fast "inside" receiver that can get open and stress the defense. We keep searching for it from both RBs like Cook, McKissic and Hines as well as from small receivers like McKenzie, Crowder and now Harty. Hopefully they found it this time. Some of his highlights sure look good. I'll take that from a rotational player. I WANT that from a rotational player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Beck Water said: Question: who are "all the other teams that were trying to sign" Hardy? I agree that not every great player was drafted in the first round. Math can show this - only about 30% of players drafted in the 1st round become solid NFL players, let alone stars. And, the observation is that while players who are drafted in the 1st 3 rounds typically show something in their 1st or 2nd year, sometimes guys who are drafted later take longer to succeed, if they're going to. On the other hand, what are the odds that a guy who played 4 years on his first team, was only available to play for 60% of those games, and has accumulated 793 yds total in 4 yrs becomes a "great player" in his 5th year on his 2nd team? There's a lot of space between "not every great player was drafted in the 1st round or became stars on their first team" and a guy who's played 4 years as a WR and has yet to break 1000 yds or 80 receptions. Are there even any examples of a guy in those circs blossoming into a star at WR? Don't get me wrong, he's a Bill now so I hope like hell this works out. And it entirely fits Beane's MO of being willing to take a flyer on a high ceiling/low floor guy almost every year, to the tune of $3.5M or so. But I don't think people can be blamed for some healthy skepticism and concern. A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I hope this guy is better at hanging onto Josh Allen's balls than the other guys are.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. I assume you are referring just to the 2022 versions of Brown and Beasley? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) Here is what you don’t get about this signing. If this is the guy we target and give this money, why did we not just get Toney at the deadline? We had a need so bad we signed guys off the street. He would have helped last year and be cheaper this year and next. A good GM should be thinking a year out not just reacting which seems like the bills always are. Edited March 15, 2023 by ngbills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. Difference here is that he is 25. He isn't coming here to be a "star". He is bringing something this Bills team is lacking and that is speed. Yes it's a risky signing with his injury history but that's why we have to wait and see what he can provide on the field. For people to already come to the conclusion he will suck here, before he ever even plays a down for the Bills is very ridiculous. Being skeptical is fine but already stamping it as him being bad as fact is not the way to go about it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Here is what you don’t get about this signing. If this is the guy we target and give this money, why did we not just get Toney at the deadline? We had a need so bad we signed guys off the street. He would have helped last year and be cheaper this year and next. A good GM should be thinking a year out not just reacting which seems like the bills always are. But you sacrifice a draft pick getting Toney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. To me it's a solid under the radar signing. He doesn't need to be the #1. Just get some YAC and be an easy button pass for Josh. He's got the speed and separation skills to do just that. He's a puzzle piece we need and lacked this past season. No let's get some more OL in the draft and WR2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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