Here come the restructures

[TheyCallMeAndy]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Saturday is coming.   It's a lock.  All indications are that Sunday will be next.

“Hold my beer”

 

- Giant meteorite 

[78thealltimegreat]

35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Which indicates that at least one has happened......

 

They have like 10 days until the league year begins..........obviously re-structures are coming.

 

In other news............"Here come the free agent signings"

Misleading post league year begins March 15 they don’t have 10 days they have around 5 and change 

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Misleading post league year begins March 15 they don’t have 10 days they have around 5 and change 

My mistake it is the 10th so they actually only have about 4 1/2 days left or so 

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Beane never goes into the Draft with a glaring hole in the roster.  He will work free agency like he does every year to fill the holes in the roster and walk into the Draft able to go in any direction.  That's his MO.

Beane is great at overpaying average talent to fill holes and using draft picks to add more average talent. No big whiffs, but a lot of singles and doubles in UFA.

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, cba fan said:

what many forget is most contracts now come with restructure language team can invoke at any time. Simple notice to players. agents, banks, payroll dept of team, then money payouts are commenced per new restructure schedule.

 

And player gets money sooner, so they are happy too. 

 

So no time-consuming negotiations and team can wait until last minutes to activate them depending on what moves come up as ops present themselves as FA runs.

i see just the opposite. He always drafts players they interview or bring in for visits. And telegraphs need picks in first round every year. Just like most do.

The most frustrating thing with Beane, as shown in Embedded, is he gets excited about a certain player, panicky that he’ll be gone at given pick and trades other picks to move up and get his player.  (Ex: Ford)

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Which indicates that at least one has happened......

Oh, does it? That's an interesting way of interpreting "Here comes..."

 

You sound fun

[DCbillsfan]

3 hours ago, folz said:

 

  

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I worked with a guy who used to type "walla" sometimes in his emails.  I didn't have it in me to correct him.  I wonder if anyone ever steered him right.

54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’d say Saffold qualifies as a big whiff. 

Star was a whiff

[HomeTeam]

I hope this does not complicate this with Von Miller going forward. It would be nice to be able to get out after year 3 if we wanted to. I never liked that signing tbh. Hope I'm wrong. 

[Mango]

Can one of the local cap gurus help me out.

 

I was under the impression that restructuring Von would meaning extending  what was essentially a 3 year deal and a bunch of team options. 
 

Because of that I thought the Von contract was untouchable. Or at least irresponsible to restructure for a 34 year old after a second ACL tear. 

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

Can one of the local cap gurus help me out.

 

I was under the impression that restructuring Von would meaning extending  what was essentially a 3 year deal and a bunch of team options. 
 

Because of that I thought the Von contract was untouchable. Or at least irresponsible to restructure for a 34 year old after a second ACL tear. 

Von Miller has a guaranteed roster bonus of $13.345M due this month. It’s a simple measure to convert that to a signing bonus and spread it out over the next 5 seasons. That clears $10.676M this season. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by BarleyNY

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I’d say Saffold qualifies as a big whiff. 

 

He whiffed on a lot of blocks this year, but at 1 year I'm not going to get worked up.  

 

Oh wait, forgot about TBD All-Star Star Lotulelei....there's the big UFA whiff.  

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, cba fan said:

what many forget is most contracts now come with restructure language team can invoke at any time. Simple notice to players. agents, banks, payroll dept of team, then money payouts are commenced per new restructure schedule.

 

And player gets money sooner, so they are happy too. 

 

So no time-consuming negotiations and team can wait until last minutes to activate them depending on what moves come up as ops present themselves as FA runs.

i see just the opposite. He always drafts players they interview or bring in for visits. And telegraphs need picks in first round every year. Just like most do.

when did that start? i swear i remember kc asking hill to do it 3 years  ago and him publically proclaiming no

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Beane is great at overpaying average talent to fill holes and using draft picks to add more average talent. No big whiffs, but a lot of singles and doubles in UFA.

That’s why we keep missing the playoffs and finishing the season with an average record.  Maybe the next GM will set the team up as a perennial playoff team and AFC East champ that wins 10 or more games a season. Oh wait…

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, BBFL said:

100% agreement. 
 

Dawkins and White are the only viable big cap hit candidates. Really don’t see Milano being restructured; if anything he warrants more money via an extension and we’ll with Diggs being restructured just 2 years ago I find that will be a tough task to ask again. Had we made a Super Bowl or won a Lombardi? Totally different. 

Why would he care?  He still gets the same money.  He’d just get it sooner.  Most folks would like to get their money sooner than later.

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

That’s why we keep missing the playoffs and finishing the season with an average record.  Maybe the next GM will set the team up as a perennial playoff team and AFC East champ that wins 10 or more games a season. Oh wait…

 
Many people on this board believe that we are bad at head coach, defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, WR, offensive line, defensive line, tight end and GM.  
 

We barely have any talent on the field, coaching staff or front office.  This team winning more than 5 games a year is a miracle.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yup, I think they'll also approach Tre & Dion. Not sure if they'll mess with Milano or Diggs though? We need enough for Tremaine's replacement,  an olineman and WR.

 

I think Milano is the obvious one to do. I'd try really hard not to touch Tre until I see him play because if he still isn't himself I might want out of that one. Likewise Dion, as he struggled down the stretch last year and has issues staying at the right weight as he gets older. Milano is the guy I am pretty sure will keep playing a high level the longest. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

They still coming?

[nucci]

11 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Looks like the Bills will be players in free agency after all 

you thought the Bill were going to do nothing? Same thing happens every year

[TampaBillsJunkie]

10 hours ago, 0017 said:

I love Beane don’t get me wrong, but last year he telegraphed that CB selection pretty bad. It was a glaring hole for sure. 

We will go in to the draft with one hole at least, it may not be glaring but G, WR, LB, RB may not be completely solved in FA. I think 3 of the 4 will be addressed in some capacity and the other will be a Day 1 or Day 2 pick.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

11 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Beane never goes into the Draft with a glaring hole in the roster.  He will work free agency like he does every year to fill the holes in the roster and walk into the Draft able to go in any direction.  That's his MO.

This has to be sarcasm right?

[Bills!Win!]

So we are getting Hopkins, Henry, OBJ and 2 guards right? 

[Simon Says]

12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Looks like the Bills will be players in free agency after all 

Can't do much with 16 million. Almost half of that goes to draft picks. 

[Kirby Jackson]

12 hours ago, boater said:

Restructures are nice to give you that instant jolt of cash. But they are one trick ponies. You must be prudent when moving forward, despite all the protestations from fans that the cap isn't real.

 

The cap is real.

It’s really not “that” real. As long as the owner wants to keep stroking checks, you can continue to kick the fan down the road. Eventually you have to add extensions to the restructures (like the Saints are doing with Michael Thomas). You can pretty much have as much space as you need for as long as you want. It’s just expensive to do it.

[Simon Says]

12 hours ago, Success said:

Sounds good to me.  I think they'll restructure another few players to try to up the cap space to around $25-30M.

 

That will give them quite a bit of flexibility to make some needed moves.

 

That looks about right. Beane will have to rely on numerous "veterans minimum" deals and has to ace the draft. Wouldnt be surprised to see him trade down once or twice to to add picks. 

12 hours ago, boater said:

Restructures are nice to give you that instant jolt of cash. But they are one trick ponies. You must be prudent when moving forward, despite all the protestations from fans that the cap isn't real.

 

The cap is real.

They will obviously restructure players that have proven ability,and production and will be part of the Bills plan moving forward. But I don't want to accumulate a crippling pile of dead cap dollars.

12 hours ago, boater said:

Restructures are nice to give you that instant jolt of cash. But they are one trick ponies. You must be prudent when moving forward, despite all the protestations from fans that the cap isn't real.

 

The cap is real.

Bills certainly are "banking" on significant salary cap increases 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, folz said:

 

  

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This is an important topic and thread, and all you bunch do is fiddle  around. 🤨

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[John from Riverside]

44 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

This has to be sarcasm right?

Well, what glaring need do you see for that matter? What glaring need did you see last year?

8 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Can't do much with 16 million. Almost half of that goes to draft picks. 

Not if they treat out of the first

[Dr. Who]

42 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s really not “that” real. As long as the owner wants to keep stroking checks, you can continue to kick the fan down the road. Eventually you have to add extensions to the restructures (like the Saints are doing with Michael Thomas). You can pretty much have as much space as you need for as long as you want. It’s just expensive to do it.

Man, I'm getting sick of getting kicked down the road.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said:

Can't do much with 16 million. Almost half of that goes to draft picks. 

I said the exact same thing just the other day…but I’d only been to the gas station and grocery store! 😉

[GolfandBills]

1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said:

Can't do much with 16 million. Almost half of that goes to draft picks. 

Draft is about 2 or 3 million 

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Looks like the Bills will be players in free agency after all 

 

 

Of course they'll be players. They are every year. Expect them to pick up some mid- and low-level guys to fill holes so that their needs are no longer desperate for the draft.

 

I wouldn't expect them to be headline players, though.

[Magox]

The Bills will still get at least one clear cut upgrade FA starter.

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, Herb Nightly said:

Can't do much with 16 million. Almost half of that goes to draft picks. 

Not true, we will need approximately 3.29m for draft picks if we stay put. So we will have enough left to sign a couple of FA'S. 

[Low Positive]

30 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Draft is about 2 or 3 million 

Exactly. Only the top 53 salaries count against the cap. Later round guys cost a team cash but not cap space.

Edited March 11, 2023 by FrenchConnection
Correct 51 to 53

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s really not “that” real. As long as the owner wants to keep stroking checks, you can continue to kick the fan down the road. Eventually you have to add extensions to the restructures (like the Saints are doing with Michael Thomas). You can pretty much have as much space as you need for as long as you want. It’s just expensive to do it.

 

 

Aw, come on.

 

Yes, it's flexible. And for owners who don't mind mortgaging the future, very flexible.

 

But no, you really can't have as much space as you want this year, much less in the future. Real quick, can you point out the way to get us, say $100M on the cap this year? Can't be done. If you turn over every rock and twig, you could get to around $80M, but it would leave us with very little flexibility next year. 

 

The credit card analogy is right on target. Yeah, I could use my cards and apply for a bunch more and stretch them all to the limit and get myself a Lambo. But doing that would mean I'd better get used to major lifestyle cuts elsewhere, and at some point it might become necessary to sell that Lambo used to handle some more urgent needs.

 

The reason Jalen Ramsey (and possibly Bobby Wags as well) is available is the Rams are having to throw the life jackets and the seats out the doors to try to save fuel. They cut Floyd at the cost of $19M in dead cap, even though it only saves them $3M on the cap. Why? Because they were well above the cap in 2024 as well as 2023. Taking all the dead money this year means Floyd won't cost them money in 2024, but Floyd was really good for them.

 

 

[khlax3]

16 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Draft is about 2 or 3 million 

Thank you! It drives me nuts when year after year people say we need 5-6 million for draft picks. 
 

Here is the breakdown for the draft:

 

Round 1- 2.2 million

Round 2- 1.1 million

Round 3- 955k

Round 4- 894k

Round 5- 844k

Round 6- 749k

 

Total- 6.7 million but each player knocks another player out of the top 53 so you need to reduce the total y a minimum of 750k for each player they replace so the actual total for signing draft picks would be 2.2 million

[Thurman#1]

21 minutes ago, Magox said:

The Bills will still get at least one clear cut upgrade FA starter.

 

 

Yup, very solid chance of that, as there's room for improvement right now at guard, safety if Poyer is gone, MLB if Tremaine is gone and maybe slot. Could be done without spending a ton. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, khlax3 said:

Thank you! It drives me nuts when year after year people say we need 5-6 million for draft picks. 
 

Here is the breakdown for the draft:

 

Round 1- 2.2 million

Round 2- 1.1 million

Round 3- 955k

Round 4- 894k

Round 5- 844k

Round 6- 749k

 

Total- 6.7 million but each player knocks another player out of the top 53 so you need to reduce the total y a minimum of 750k for each player they replace so the actual total for signing draft picks would be 2.2 million

Thanks. That’s a simple, great breakdown. While I realize the players association stepped in long ago to reduce rookie salaries, it’s still hard for me to get my mind around the fact that Robert Woods just signed a contract as a maybe at best a Number 2 or 3 WR that will pay him more than a team’s entire draft allocation. Geeez! Seems to me that the pendulum has swung way too far. 

[Simon Says]

15 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

That "question" is not a question.

 

We have to make more restructures. We won't field 53 players with just Allen and Miller even if we remain very passive in FA.

If Beane doesn't restructure many contracts,we will see a lot of rookies and veteran minimum deals. Here's an opportunity for him to show what he can do.

[LyndonvilleBill]

8 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

Thank you! It drives me nuts when year after year people say we need 5-6 million for draft picks. 
 

Here is the breakdown for the draft:

 

Round 1- 2.2 million

Round 2- 1.1 million

Round 3- 955k

Round 4- 894k

Round 5- 844k

Round 6- 749k

 

Total- 6.7 million but each player knocks another player out of the top 53 so you need to reduce the total y a minimum of 750k for each player they replace so the actual total for signing draft picks would be 2.2 million

Here's a chart that may help. Breaks it down by pick and cap space needed.

 

https://overthecap.com/draft

[Mango]

10 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Von Miller has a guaranteed roster bonus of $13.345M due this month. It’s a simple measure to convert that to a signing bonus and spread it out over the next 5 seasons. That clears $10.676M this season. 

I can get that far.

 

Where I get lost is the $7M out after the 2024 season and the Bills no longer having Von on the roster or the books at all after that. 
 

Does restructuring ensure Von is on the books for 5 more years? Or does it just up the buy out cost?

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s really not “that” real. As long as the owner wants to keep stroking checks, you can continue to kick the fan down the road. Eventually you have to add extensions to the restructures (like the Saints are doing with Michael Thomas). You can pretty much have as much space as you need for as long as you want. It’s just expensive to do it.

There are limits though.  It is real.   The saints have ridiculous amounts of void money in future years.  Why is tyreek hill in Miami?  Why is adams in Las Vegas?  Answer:  the cap is real.   Sure it’s soft and can be manipulated but there are real limits.