Wizard Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I am wondering if there are any DC candidates that can be complimentary to McDermott and/or provide some additional insight and strength to the staff. What about Jerod Mayo? Any other DC candidates that are intriguing? As has been said by others, crappy connections from the Carolina Panthers and then Ken Dorsey as the leader of the offensive coaching staff leaves more than a lot to be desired. In any well-run business, the current leader is also preparing a successor. Maybe that was meant to be Daboll, but we need top coordinators just like we need a better offensive line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Just hire Curtis Modkins and call it a day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 i can offer one Al Holcomb 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigAl2526 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Are the Bills moving on from Frazier, or are they going to use an interim arrangement in hopes that he returns to the coordinator position after a one year hiatus. If it is the latter, you can pretty much forget about hiring somebody from the outside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: Are the Bills moving on from Frazier, or are they going to use an interim arrangement in hopes that he returns to the coordinator position after a one year hiatus. If it is the latter, you can pretty much forget about hiring somebody from the outside. No of course 13 seconds won’t be back. You can’t be that gullible, can you? Holcomb will be our new DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Why not give Keuchly a shot? Its a learning curve for sure but I mean we could end up with a Demeco Ryans type situation. Just spit balling here 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 If McDermott is going to be doing the play calling as he has alluded to - what does it matter? And who of any pedigree would want the job if they aren't calling plays? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 McDermott has struggled with game management decisions in the past. The idea of him calling the defense is intriguing, but I'd imagine that the game management decisions will regress as a result. That makes me nervous. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Mike Pettine. Assistant HC/DC. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wizard said: I am wondering if there are any DC candidates that can be complimentary to McDermott Maybe him? Edited March 8, 2023 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Either Al Holcomb or the position goes officially unfilled for 2023. That's my guess. Don't let the "Assistant" part of "Senior Defensive Assistant" fool you. Offensive and Defensive Coordinators are also Assistants. Everyone is, but the Head Coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't mind seeing McD get demoted to DC. Bring in someone like Brian Callahan OC for Cinci or Ben Johnson OC for Lions. I would prefer Johnson. He is innovative, creative, and very smart. Think he would enhance Allen and others game. Edited March 8, 2023 by newcam2012 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Wizard said: I am wondering if there are any DC candidates that can be complimentary to McDermott and/or provide some additional insight and strength to the staff. What about Jerod Mayo? Any other DC candidates that are intriguing? As has been said by others, crappy connections from the Carolina Panthers and then Ken Dorsey as the leader of the offensive coaching staff leaves more than a lot to be desired. In any well-run business, the current leader is also preparing a successor. Maybe that was meant to be Daboll, but we need top coordinators just like we need a better offensive line. 3 coaches with Defensive Coordinator experience are already on staff. And they are familiar with McDermott’s defensive principles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 hours ago, CDogg20 said: Why not give Keuchly a shot? Its a learning curve for sure but I mean we could end up with a Demeco Ryans type situation. Just spit balling here Great idea. He can call plays from the MLB position. 2 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I wouldn't mind seeing McD get demoted to DC. Bring in someone like Brian Callahan OC for Cinci or Ben Johnson OC for Lions. I would prefer Johnson. He is innovative, creative, and very smart. Think he would enhance Allen and others game. Name one example in NFL history where a head coach (non interim) was demoted to a coordinator position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 His name begins with an M And ends with a T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, chongli said: Maybe him? If this Frazier situation came up earlier, we could’ve brought back The Schwartz. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I don't know why people keep talking about this. They are not bringing anyone else in. McDermott is going to call the D and they will use the existing staff on the gameplanning. I expect they will say more when OTAs come around, but I expect Holcombe will be the senior assistant - as his title suggests - but he won't get to design the scheme or call the plays and therefore isn't the coordinator in the conventional sense. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 6 hours ago, CDogg20 said: Why not give Keuchly a shot? Its a learning curve for sure but I mean we could end up with a Demeco Ryans type situation. Just spit balling here Has the guy ever coached anything? Does he want to coach in the NFL? I know his history as a player and how much coaches think of him but unless your name is Jeff Saturday you have to work your way up in coaching. And it has to be a passion cause it does not pay well for someone independently wealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Wizard said: I am wondering if there are any DC candidates that can be complimentary to McDermott and/or provide some additional insight and strength to the staff. What about Jerod Mayo? Any other DC candidates that are intriguing? As has been said by others, crappy connections from the Carolina Panthers and then Ken Dorsey as the leader of the offensive coaching staff leaves more than a lot to be desired. In any well-run business, the current leader is also preparing a successor. Maybe that was meant to be Daboll, but we need top coordinators just like we need a better offensive line. He has already been brought on board, “Senior Defensive assistant” like Gunner Bill said, McDermott will call the plays on defense going forward, the decision has already been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: His name begins with an M And ends with a T LEGO Ninjago guy Murt knows football?! I mean, American football?! * He does look pretty mean...🤔 * EDIT: That battle axe he's hefting doesn't look like any 'bend, don't break' philosophy, does it? 😁 Edited March 8, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 hours ago, somnus00 said: McDermott has struggled with game management decisions in the past. The idea of him calling the defense is intriguing, but I'd imagine that the game management decisions will regress as a result. That makes me nervous. What game management decisions do you make while playing defense? He already wastes TO on defense so maybe that might actually get better if he is calling the plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Kiva said: No of course 13 seconds won’t be back. You can’t be that gullible, can you? Holcomb will be our new DC. 13 seconds won't. But there's certainly a non-zero chance that Leslie Frazier will. It's you who's kidding yourself that he won't be back if things fall right. There's a good chance they won't fall right, but if they do, they love Frazier here, and for good reason. 5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Either Al Holcomb or the position goes officially unfilled for 2023. That's my guess. Don't let the "Assistant" part of "Senior Defensive Assistant" fool you. Offensive and Defensive Coordinators are also Assistants. Everyone is, but the Head Coach. This is my guess too. Edited March 8, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Holcomb was hired a month before Leslie was fired. So the move was in the works for a while. Unclear why Sean waited until there were no other DC jobs left for Leslie to take. Whether you wanted Leslie gone or not, the man deserved more respect than that. He dedicated 6 years of his life for this team, consistently had a top 5 D, was highly respected and loved by every player on that team. Wonder how this board would feel about Leslie if the Special teams coordinator got the right call in on the :13 squibb kick and we won the game. Or if our O against the Bengals put up more than 10 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said: Holcomb was hired a month before Leslie was fired. So the move was in the works for a while. Unclear why Sean waited until there were no other DC jobs left for Leslie to take. Whether you wanted Leslie gone or not, the man deserved more respect than that. He dedicated 6 years of his life for this team, consistently had a top 5 D, was highly respected and loved by every player on that team. Wonder how this board would feel about Leslie if the Special teams coordinator got the right call in on the :13 squibb kick and we won the game. Or if our O against the Bengals put up more than 10 points. Because Leslie wasn't fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Wizard said: As has been said by others, crappy connections from the Carolina Panthers and then Ken Dorsey as the leader of the offensive coaching staff leaves more than a lot to be desired. We'll the joke's on us. Keep looking over that Carolina coaching staff and front office, that or serious OJT guys are the pattern here. I'm not sure we've ever seen anything like it to this extent. Edited March 8, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said: Whether you wanted Leslie gone or not, the man deserved more respect than that. He dedicated 6 years of his life for this team, consistently had a top 5 D, was highly respected and loved by every player on that team. Wonder how this board would feel about Leslie if the Special teams coordinator got the right call in on the :13 squibb kick and we won the game. Or if our O against the Bengals put up more than 10 points. The jury seems to be out on who was really calling the defensive shots, could've been McD. Was too his top-5 D, maybe the perception of our D would be a little better if come playoff time it didn't play like a bottom-5 D. As to disrespect, right or wrong, it sort of comes with the territory. But if someone wants to pay me as much as he's gotten over that six year period and disrespect me, I'm good with it. Also, those are some huge If's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, PBF81 said: We'll the joke's on us. Keep looking over that Carolina coaching staff and front office, that or serious OJT guys are the pattern here. I'm not sure we've ever seen anything like it to this extent. Okay let's play a game... how many of the Bills current Bills front office staff, except for Brandon Beane have worked for the Panthers? I'll give you a clue... it's a very round number. It's more on the coaching side (I make it 6/18 which is a third). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Rex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gugny Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: His name begins with an M And ends with a T 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 9 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I wouldn't mind seeing McD get demoted to DC. Bring in someone like Brian Callahan OC for Cinci or Ben Johnson OC for Lions. I would prefer Johnson. He is innovative, creative, and very smart. Think he would enhance Allen and others game. Do you really think this is an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 10 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Mike Pettine. Assistant HC/DC. Is this serious? Dude is awful and it’s wild he keeps getting jobs. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PettMi0.htm I’d rather fail with a new guy than give the same losers chance after chance. I hate the buddy system in the nfl. There are so many good coach’s who never get a chance while losers like Hackett and the husky Ryan bros get chance after chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Great idea. He can call plays from the MLB position. Name one example in NFL history where a head coach (non interim) was demoted to a coordinator position. There isn't one but the Bills should be the first. HC's will line up to want to coach the Bills knowing that if you go 13-3, 11-6 and 13-3 for three seasons in a row, you could get demoted on your very own team. Gosh, how can a HC not want that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 12 hours ago, somnus00 said: McDermott has struggled with game management decisions in the past. The idea of him calling the defense is intriguing, but I'd imagine that the game management decisions will regress as a result. That makes me nervous. He hasn't. He has literally been one of the best in the league. 9 hours ago, newcam2012 said: I wouldn't mind seeing McD get demoted to DC. Bring in someone like Brian Callahan OC for Cinci or Ben Johnson OC for Lions. I would prefer Johnson. He is innovative, creative, and very smart. Think he would enhance Allen and others game. Yeah, I'm sure McDermott would be so willing to do that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If McDermott is going to be doing the play calling as he has alluded to - what does it matter? And who of any pedigree would want the job if they aren't calling plays? Link to any of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 It's Al Holcomb. Bills just signed him to be "Senior Defensive Coach Assistant". Why would they just immediately bypass him? Next topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Do you really think this is an option? No. I think it would be ideal though. The offense needs innovation, weapons, protection, and change. I have little confidence in Dorsey. His offense had no identity or consistency. He never used plays in conjunction to set up other plays. It was a series of individual plays. I know the stats look very good. I'd credit Allen rather than Dorsey. Ben Johnson is one of the best offensive minds out there. He's getting the best out of Geoff. 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Great idea. He can call plays from the MLB position. Name one example in NFL history where a head coach (non interim) was demoted to a coordinator position. I know it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Bring back Dave Wannstedt!!!! I kid, I kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Bring back Dave Wannstedt!!!! I kid, I kid Rex Ryan, Rob Ryan and Dick Jauron movement? Kidding 😂 Edited March 8, 2023 by Buffalo Bills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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