Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[gobilz]

Lamont be whack 

[Thrivefourfive]

Hey, is he healthy now? Just remembered.. he was not healthy enough to play in the Raven’s playoff game against the division (that matters!) rival, so what’s the deal now? What’s the injury update? Sounds like he’s negotiating as if he was never hurt to begin with. 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Hey, is he healthy now? Just remembered.. he was not healthy enough to play in the Raven’s playoff game against the division (that matters!) rival, so what’s the deal now? What’s the injury update? Sounds like he’s negotiating as if he was never hurt to begin with. 

Availability (or rather, a lack thereof) didn’t seem to hurt Watson with his contract.

[Thrivefourfive]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Availability (or rather, a lack thereof) didn’t seem to hurt Watson with his contract.

Better to shut up and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt..

 

Jackson has hurt himself (no pun intended) by playing and showing he’s now a fragile franny. Watson is/was a much different QB than Jackson, specifically.. Watson can throw. I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but anyone thinking Jackson can throw with the top half of NFL QBs is wrong. I’m over that silly discussion. 
 

The last time we saw Watson he was making plays and leading his team in the playoffs. He was absolutely a difference maker, and you’d be nitpicking to say he had flaws that hurt the Texans ROI. So here we have Jackson, the one dimensional (in a bad way) hurt QB vs Watson, a stud QB by every form of the definition. No comparison imo. 

[Roundybout]

 

Watson isn't worth what he's paid and he's a better passer than Lamar. 

[DCOrange]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

He’s better than Watson and also doesn’t embarrass fans with his presence. It makes sense that he’d be asking for more.

 

Whether or not Baltimore is willing to pay a QB as much as Cleveland was remains to be seen. 

[Dopey]

4 hours ago, Calidiehard said:

He missed final 4 games the season before as well. The fact he sat for a playoff game says everything about his character and he doesn't deserve a fully guaranteed contract. Also not saying Watson should have gotten that either.

I know this is a place where we can share our opinions, but stop it. You don’t know 💩 about his character. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I think we all saw this coming.  

[Calidiehard]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

I know this is a place where we can share our opinions, but stop it. You don’t know 💩 about his character. 

In that, neither do you. But based on actions of not playing for your teammates in a playoff game does say a lot about his character.

[Saint Doug]

Amazing he would turn down $50M per year, even with $133M guaranteed. Sounds like this is about Respect. 

[Dopey]

7 minutes ago, Calidiehard said:

In that, neither do you. But based on actions of not playing for your teammates in a playoff game does say a lot about his character.

Exactly. This is the reason I don’t resort to that kind of crap. I will say this:

Once the regular season is over, players have been paid what the contract says. Playoff games are paid separate of the contract. He was essentially a free agent, with no guarantee other than the playoff check. From what I’ve read, he would have earned around $42k. Some here question his character and/or his intelligence. That was a smart move. If you reply that you would have played because you are a high character guy, you’re either lying or dumb as 💩. Think about it, if you get hurt, I guarantee your teammates that you fought for won’t pony up the potential $$ you would lose. Maybe they’ll start a gofundme for you. 
 

[Nitro]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Injury prone running QB?  He has to stay healthy and prove he can be a pocket QB.  I would draft a young QB that would match the new offense and part ways with him.

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Availability (or rather, a lack thereof) didn’t seem to hurt Watson with his contract.

Cleveland owner is insane.  AFC version of Jerry Jones .  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

6 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Prime Watson is a much better QB than prime Jackson.  I don't think prime Watson is coming back and I think Jackson's best years are behind him.

Idk. I’d take Lamar’s MVP year over Watsons best season.

[In Summary]

I don't blame Lamar, but what will he consider as having been important when he's 60 years old?

Edited February 24, 2023 by In Summary

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

This is the same dude that has contracted Covid like 6 times? 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Better to shut up and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt..

 

Jackson has hurt himself (no pun intended) by playing and showing he’s now a fragile franny. Watson is/was a much different QB than Jackson, specifically.. Watson can throw. I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but anyone thinking Jackson can throw with the top half of NFL QBs is wrong. I’m over that silly discussion. 
 

The last time we saw Watson he was making plays and leading his team in the playoffs. He was absolutely a difference maker, and you’d be nitpicking to say he had flaws that hurt the Texans ROI. So here we have Jackson, the one dimensional (in a bad way) hurt QB vs Watson, a stud QB by every form of the definition. No comparison imo. 

nothing in your biased tangent has anything to do with my single comment about availability. Watson pouted for an entire season and was then hit with a lengthy suspension. I never said anything about either QBs’ respective abilities. But I’m the fool? 

[Charles Romes]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If I'm Baltimore, I'm tagging Lamar and telling him to come play 1 more year with the new OC, and if it goes well, I'll give him $300M all guaranteed. And if not, we'll let him hit FA and never tag him again.

 He’s just going to sand bag late in the year again under the tag. They ought to tag and trade at this point. 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Better to shut up and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt..

 

Jackson has hurt himself (no pun intended) by playing and showing he’s now a fragile franny. Watson is/was a much different QB than Jackson, specifically.. Watson can throw. I don’t want to sound like a jerk, but anyone thinking Jackson can throw with the top half of NFL QBs is wrong. I’m over that silly discussion. 
 

The last time we saw Watson he was making plays and leading his team in the playoffs. He was absolutely a difference maker, and you’d be nitpicking to say he had flaws that hurt the Texans ROI. So here we have Jackson, the one dimensional (in a bad way) hurt QB vs Watson, a stud QB by every form of the definition. No comparison imo. 

Actually, the last time we saw Watson, he lost to N.O. Scoring all of 10 points. Missing the playoffs. The Browns did miss the playoffs, right? 

 Talk about removing all doubt. 

[Richard Noggin]

One way to put things in perspective is to ask: would Bills fans prefer the Jets land Carr, or Lamar?

 

Our answers (and rationale) to that will be revealing. 

 

(I'm not immediately sure which I prefer; my brain wants to shout out Lamar Jackson due to availability concerns and his less-than-optimal WR utilization (stunting Wilson's progression would be a bonus). I worry that Derrek Carr, under favorable conditions, can competently steer the Jets offense. Just as long as they keep him extra clean. For a guy who wants to be a leader, he sure does appear to wilt under duress.) 

[Chicken Boo]

Honestly I don't see the big deal.  Lamar will be signed to a massive 4 year deal anyway.  What are the odds he won't be 'the guy', where ever he is, for the next 4 years?  

 

This is more about the league not wanting to set a precedent for fully guaranteed contracts.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Honestly I don't see the big deal.  Lamar will be signed to a massive 4 year deal anyway.  What are the odds he won't be 'the guy', where ever he is, for the next 4 years?  

 

This is more about the league not wanting to set a precedent for fully guaranteed contracts.

Unfortunately for them one of their own owners already set that precedent. 

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

Unfortunately for them one of their own owners already set that precedent. 

 

Yeah, but the Browns franchise doesn’t command the respect that Baltimore does.  It means more if the Ravens were to shell out a fully guaranteed deal. 

 

I think the NFL is headed in that direction anyway with the upper echelon QBs.  Their deals are virtually guaranteed anyway, unless something truly unexpected were to happen.  

[LyndonvilleBill]

10 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

So, it appears that he wants out of Baltimore…, 

Was thinking the same thing. He doesn't want to be there,  but if they pay him what he wants,  he'll stick around. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

remember when some here and on WGR wanted to draft Lamar?

 

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[ProcessTruster]

Lamar IMO is not getting any team to the promised land.   Not ever.   Good QB, blah blah, but, eg. RGIII was better than him when healthy.  

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

nothing in your biased tangent has anything to do with my single comment about availability. Watson pouted for an entire season and was then hit with a lengthy suspension. I never said anything about either QBs’ respective abilities. But I’m the fool? 

No pouting. The Texans were not going to put Watson on the field in 2021. Him sitting but getting fully paid for the season was a negotiated settlement between him and the Texans - and blessed by the league. He wanted to play, but not for the Texans. 

[maddenboy]

14 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

They offered him what is overwhelmingly considered to be a fair and generous offer and he turned it down.  I do not fault the Ravens if they are no longer interested in wasting their time negotiating with a delusional amateur who insists on representing himself to his own detriment.

Heard an interesting point on Sirius NFL Radio today.

 

Maybe Lamar has, in fact, tried to get an agent.  Maybe he has interviewed a couple.   And no agent will take him.

 

If lamar starts agent interviews with "I want a fully guaranteed contract like Watson.  Nothing Less" then none of the top agents would sign up for that, waste a couple months trying for the impossible, then have their reputations tarnished when they got fired and/or quit repping Lamar.

[Manther]

15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Is it possible that Lamar Jackson's career is over because he's just plain stubborn and unrealistic?

It is not over.  But, he is being extremely stubborn and unrealistic and it is negatively effecting his career. 

 

He does not have an agent, correct?  Another example of being stubborn and counting every penny.  Rarely can someone double dip both ends AND win.  He seems to not be the exception.

[Meatloaf63]

Tag him and move on. This next year is critical in determining who he is moving forward.

[Spiderweb]

16 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

Two things can be true.

 

1)  He is twice the QB Watson is.

 

2)  Baltimore should absolutely not give him the contract he is asking for. 

Before Watson's suspension, he was a pretty darn good QB. He was a more complete passer for sure. Jackson's uniqueness is purely and simply his running ability of  which a couple more injuries to his wheels....

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Was thinking the same thing. He doesn't want to be there,  but if they pay him what he wants,  he'll stick around. 

Yup, and the thing is no other team is going to give him what he is demanding, he is doing the “ who’s going to blink first” thing, imo, he is as good as gone from Baltimore, I suspect they are fine with that and  already have plans set in place for his eventual departure. 

[Buffalo Junction]

I hope Lamar gets paid and resets the market. Allen is already signed long term to relatively team friendly deal. A monster deal to Lamar early in the off-season would put a ton of pressure on the Bengals, Chargers, and possibly Jaguars later to tie up their cap with exorbitant QB contracts and guarantees moving forward. 

[Buffalo Junction]

36 minutes ago, Manther said:

It is not over.  But, he is being extremely stubborn and unrealistic and it is negatively effecting his career. 

 

He does not have an agent, correct?  Another example of being stubborn and counting every penny.  Rarely can someone double dip both ends AND win.  He seems to not be the exception.

Richard Sherman and Roquan Smith did it, but there are a couple notable differences. Neither are QBs, and they both scored much higher on the wonderlic. Sherman graduated from Stanford. Roquan Smith majored in economics and has a track record of shrewd contract manipulation going back to national signing day. 

[Stuartjohn]

17 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

Ravens front office is not as good as I thought making that offer.

Lamar isn’t Worth 250 million Guaranteed!  Have fun Baltimore LOL!  

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

No pouting. The Texans were not going to put Watson on the field in 2021. Him sitting but getting fully paid for the season was a negotiated settlement between him and the Texans - and blessed by the league. He wanted to play, but not for the Texans. 

So he wanted to play but not for the team for which he was contracted to play. He also made clear he would utilize his no trade clause to torpedo any deal he didn’t like (and to ensure he got the deal he liked from his new destination.) You can find a different verb other than “pout” I suppose to describe his actions, but it certainly seems appropriate to me. People in here are dumping on Jackson for allegedly refusing to play for his team through a documented injury late in the season, while a healthy Watson did something worse (among other, far worse, things.)

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

17 hours ago, first_and_ten said:

 

This is why the owners were so upset with the Browns, and I agree with them. Giving this pervert a guaranteed huge contract was moronic!! I don't blame Lamar at all.  A healthy Lamar is worth more than Watson, but he made a big mistake stepping on the field last year without a new contract in place. Now this makes two years in a row he got hurt and couldn't finish the season. The ravens have just two decisions: Pay him a fully guaranteed contract or trade him for as much as you can get. I doubt he plays under a franchise tag.

 

So how would that work under salary cap?  The team would be committing $xx mil towards the 2023 cap.  But if he didn't play at all, he wouldn't get paid.  Would the Ravens then get that money credited back towards the 2024 cap?  Would make it easy to tag him again as wouldn't cost that much more for 2nd year tag.  Would it even be considered a 2nd year cap, could be a bog league NFLPA argument over that one. 

 

Believe too the rules changed in last CBA that he needs to report by week one to have the year count as accrued, used to be around week 10 

[Thrivefourfive]

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

nothing in your biased tangent has anything to do with my single comment about availability. Watson pouted for an entire season and was then hit with a lengthy suspension. I never said anything about either QBs’ respective abilities. But I’m the fool? 

Well that escalated quickly. I’m talking about Jackson.. playing and getting hurt.. and removing all doubt. I wouldn’t call you a fool. No personal attacks on you. Okay. 

10 hours ago, Dopey said:

Actually, the last time we saw Watson, he lost to N.O. Scoring all of 10 points. Missing the playoffs. The Browns did miss the playoffs, right? 

 Talk about removing all doubt. 

Watson had a terrible 6 or 7 games last year. We’ll see how he looks going forward. The Browns are about twice as talented on offense as those Texans teams were, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Watson name another name for himself in 2023-24. Question is, what direction is Jackson headed in? 

[JoPoy88]

5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Yeah, but the Browns franchise doesn’t command the respect that Baltimore does.  It means more if the Ravens were to shell out a fully guaranteed deal. 

 

I think the NFL is headed in that direction anyway with the upper echelon QBs.  Their deals are virtually guaranteed anyway, unless something truly unexpected were to happen.  

That’s true and for good reason. But Jackson doesn’t need Baltimore to be the one to shell out for a Watson-adjacent deal, and frankly he probably doesn’t want them to given the way negotiations have gone to this point. But it only takes one other team to be willing to do so (franchise tag complications set aside) and in a QB starved league (especially in the NFC) he knows there’s an owner or two out there desperate and dimwitted like the Haslems who will pony up.

Edited February 24, 2023 by JoPoy88

[nucci]

Other owners are probably really happy with the Browns

[somnus00]

18 hours ago, SCBills said:

I'm sure Lamar knows that some team will give him something like 50M per, fully guaranteed, 6-7 year contract. 

 

Easy for us to say that's crazy, given we have Josh Allen, but I'm sure quite a few would pay whatever it takes to someone like Lamar Jackson when we were wandering in the QB wilderness after Jim Kelly. 

 

Let's hope the Jets are that team.  Kill their cap and deplete their picks... Woody Johnson said he'd do whatever it takes to bring in a top tier QB, didn't he?   Lamar, debatable, but most would say he's that.

 

 

Lamar is the "elite" QB that scares me the least. McFrazier seem to have a good recipe/gameplan for limiting him.