Buffalo03 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Leslie Frazier's contract is now up and if McDermott and Beane are smart, he will not be resigned. I personally would like Vic Fangio. He had solid defenses in San Francisco and Chicago when he was with both teams. He's older but would be one of my top choices 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Me. 2 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) Anyone who can utilize all the top assets we already have and turn them into mean qb seeking missiles… Edited January 25, 2023 by whorlnut 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Rob Ryan, The players loved the guy 1 2 15 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Leslie Frazier's contract is now up and if McDermott and Beane are smart, he will not be resigned. I personally would like Vic Fangio. He had solid defenses in San Francisco and Chicago when he was with both teams. He's older but would be one of my top choices You'd be starting completely over defensively with that hire. Everyone complaining about wasting Josh's window - you're talking a 2-3 year transition from a personnel standpoint with a move like that. 3 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 The real question is — will McDermott be willing to play a defensive scheme other than his own Cover 2, zone heavy scheme that doesn’t work against good offenses? If he’s unwilling to change, we will end up with another Leslie Frazier who is probably less experienced and talented than Leslie Frazier. 1 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, HoofHearted said: You'd be starting completely over defensively with that hire. Everyone complaining about wasting Josh's window - you're talking a 2-3 year transition from a personnel standpoint with a move like that. Well then I guess the players better adapt lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Fangio has supposedly been linked to wherever Payton goes. i do wonder what the effect will be anyway since Sean likely drives the D anyway....MAYBE a new guy is more aggressive but....would Sean let him be? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, HoofHearted said: You'd be starting completely over defensively with that hire. Everyone complaining about wasting Josh's window - you're talking a 2-3 year transition from a personnel standpoint with a move like that. People never consider that. VIc Fangio runs a 3-4 defense. We'd need a bunch of LBs and a NT. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Well then I guess the players better adapt lol Good luck with that lol. You wanna talk about seeing fans pulling their hair out. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 The guy I’d want is headed to Cleveland. 3 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Not Frazier!!!!!! Or McD!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Preferably someone who does not call a defense that requires the secondary to play twice as far back (or more) as yards needed for a critical first down 6 2 4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, HoofHearted said: Good luck with that lol. You wanna talk about seeing fans pulling their hair out. 😂 This is why players should only be drafted that fit multiple schemes. If a DC leaves or a coach decides to change a scheme, then only picking players that fit one particular scheme are useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: The real question is — will McDermott be willing to play a defensive scheme other than his own Cover 2, zone heavy scheme that doesn’t work against good offenses? If he’s unwilling to change, we will end up with another Leslie Frazier who is probably less experienced and talented than Leslie Frazier. 1. We play way more 3 and Quarters than we do true Cover 2. 2. The Eagles aren't having any issues stopping good offenses running the exact same scheme. I get it, fans over-react and want to point blame at someone. We got beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball. You can't overcome that regardless of the scheme. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, HoofHearted said: You'd be starting completely over defensively with that hire. Everyone complaining about wasting Josh's window - you're talking a 2-3 year transition from a personnel standpoint with a move like that. Josh's window is at least a decade. No one else matters. What we are doing isn't working. It beats up on bad teams and folds under good offenses. Get it right is what we need to do. Continuity is great... And it's why I'm cool with giving Dorsey another year, but the defense has been continually exposed in big moments, and that's not the continuity we need. I'm not neccesarily advocating for Vic, but we need a wholesale sea change in philosophy on defense or it's the same song and dance. Just getting Von healthy and praying he stays that way isn't gonna do it. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Rob Ryan, SYSCO loved the guy Fixed it for you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: Josh's window is at least a decade. No one else matters. What we are doing isn't working. It beats up on bad teams and folds under good offenses. Get it right is what we need to do. Continuity is great... And it's why I'm cool with giving Dorsey another year, but the defense has been continually exposed in big moments, and that's not the continuity we need. I'm not neccesarily advocating for Vic, but we need a wholesale sea change in philosophy on defense or it's the same song and dance. Just getting Von healthy and praying he stays that way isn't gonna do it. Again, the Eagles aren't having any problems running the same defensive scheme. The difference is they have DUDES across their defensive line and we don't. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repulsif Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I wanted Jim Schwartz, but he was hired by the Browns yesterday So for a complete clarity let's try Beane doesn't hire anyone, and McDermott handle his defense by himself (which was the case anyway?), let Dorsey doing no change next year, and see that nothing of those 2 sides work, so we can be sure it was a complete failure on both sides 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I don’t really care. After some time to digest what happened on Sunday, I think the right plan is to focus on the offense. As bad as the defense was, we win if we put up 30 points. The offense was too disjointed a large part of the season and relied on Josh being super-human to score points. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Rob Ryan, The players loved the guy I think that was mostly about the donuts he brought in every morning. The sprinkles won them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Kris Richard. Plays a cover 3. Similar defense that we run. Younger guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) Someone young, innovative and adaptable. Someone who knows how to get the players in the right position to be successful and maximize their talent. Edited January 25, 2023 by BBills_88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Schwartz would have been so awesome. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: Again, the Eagles aren't having any problems running the same defensive scheme. The difference is they have DUDES across their defensive line and we don't. Exactly. From what I understand (which is not much), the Bills D requires really high level play from the safeties in both the pass and run game. When Hyde went out, our D took a serious hit. Then when Hamlin went out and we had to play Marlowe it was too much to overcome. Also, in general our team lacks a level of nastiness that the Eagles have in spades. No one fears playing the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, Rigotz said: The real question is — will McDermott be willing to play a defensive scheme other than his own Cover 2, zone heavy scheme that doesn’t work against good offenses? If he’s unwilling to change, we will end up with another Leslie Frazier who is probably less experienced and talented than Leslie Frazier. I’ve already gone on record. If Frazier is not retained, they will promote someone on the staff, who will then just be a puppet to McD and his crappy scheme. 7 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I don’t really care. After some time to digest what happened on Sunday, I think the right plan is to focus on the offense. As bad as the defense was, we win if we put up 30 points. The offense was too disjointed a large part of the season and relied on Josh being super-human to score points. The Bengals took their foot off the gas. No telling how many points they would have scored, but it would have been more than 27. 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Any scheme that relies on the DL consistently winning their battles will have problems, unless everyone on the front is great and stays healthy. I want a DC who knows how to scheme X’s and O’s, who utilizes his “chess pieces” to the best of his ability. Chiefs fans complain about Spags, but I’d take a DC like him any day over Frazier. Same with Lou A in Cinci. We need disruption, a defense that doesn’t sit back and react, but one that attacks. It’d all be fine and dandy if Beane had knocked it outta the park with his two 1st rounders, two second rounders, and slew of FAs, but the only blue chip piece we have on the line is a soon to be 34 year old coming off an ACL injury. That’s sobering. 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, BBills_88 said: Someone young, innovative and adaptable. Someone who knows how to get the players in the right position to be successful and maximize their talent. This team needs experienced coordinators. With the still (cracked) open window of opportunity, we can't take risks on up and coming coordinators. They could turn out to be disasters like Hackett. For the D, i would look for a good past DC who was a poor HC. (Example Dan Quinn) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Wade 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 One thing’s for sure, I don’t want Eric Washington, this genius hasn’t done a damn thing with all these draft picks. 1 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: You'd be starting completely over defensively with that hire. Everyone complaining about wasting Josh's window - you're talking a 2-3 year transition from a personnel standpoint with a move like that. A new hire would certainly run a similar scheme, that's McD's style, he's not all of a sudden going 3-4. Seems like the play calling is more of the issue- and a lack of aggressiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Rob Ryan, The players loved the guy I think he’s still on maternity leave. He should have pushed that baby out by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Wade 75 yrs old, but he could coach D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: You'd be starting completely over defensively with that hire. Everyone complaining about wasting Josh's window - you're talking a 2-3 year transition from a personnel standpoint with a move like that. On the surface- that’s true, but the basis of Fangios D is cover 2 shell to prevent big plays. His tinkering up front with different looks and stunts keeps the O second guessing. He plays a lot of 4-3 under Looking at our personnel, I don’t think it’s a 3 year fix. Ed (who might be gone anyway)and Rousseau can both play 3-4 end. Hell, Rousseau might be able to play SLB too. Basham and AJ are JAGS and won’t be on the team in 2-3 years. Von is at his best playing 3-4 OLB. getting a DC of his caliber is well worth a year or two of figuring things out. Our best SB window is closed. We’ll have many chances in the future, but next year isn’t a do or die season imo. Josh has several more seasons. Let’s right the ship NOW and retool with coaches that have the ability to win us a title. Fangio is the best in the business and worth an off year or 2 in the defensive side of the ball. It’s not like our defense ever comes to play when we need them to Edited January 25, 2023 by NewEra 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Fangio is fine with me. The Bears defense was excellent the year before he left for Denver and they have stunk ever since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Nothing is going to happen to Frazier. This ownership and fanbase views the current regime and coaches as saviors. Saints. For ending a playoff drought. Whoop dee doo. They fail to recognize that the drafting of Josh Allen and departure of Tom Brady has anything to do with it. Board members and my grandmother could coach the Josh Allen Bills to 10 wins per year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Wade What's Ted Cotrell doing these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: Again, the Eagles aren't having any problems running the same defensive scheme. The difference is they have DUDES across their defensive line and we don't. So we need elite players to execute this scheme? Sounds daunting. Maybe a scheme that doesn't completely rely on having a dominant D-line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: So we need elite players to execute this scheme? Sounds daunting. Maybe a scheme that doesn't completely rely on having a dominant D-line? That's every scheme my guy. If you don't win in the trenches you don't win period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 McDermott will probably just promote from with in if Fraizer isn’t retained. Not the flashy move but probably the more likely move. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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