simpleman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) I just saw the highlights of the Cinci playoff game. On the winning fumble recovery, there was an obvious block to the back to a player that had caught up with the runner before he crossed the goal line. Why would that not be a penalty, it occurred before the touchdown was scored. I am beginning to get more and more confused about legal and illegal actions in the NFL. Thank You in advance for the explanation. Edited January 16, 2023 by simpleman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 No explanation. That should have been a penalty, but was not called. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Refs are (either consciously or unconsciously) biased against making calls where 70,000 people will start yelling at them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 You'll never get a valid answer as it was clearly a block in the back, all I can say is the refs missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Easily a penalty they let it go and it was terribly obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 this is penalty they should just get rid of. it provides no safety to any player as it is currently enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 It was obvious and ridiculous it wasn't called. Who knows, maybe the Bengals get held to FG. Changed the complexion of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) after watching all the games this weekend i can only suspect the NFL told the refs to keep the flags in their pockets unless it was something so blatantly obvious and egregious that they had to call it. doesnt explain the block on Andrews, but it sure explains alot of the other stuff i saw uncalled. imo the Phins could have had at least 7 more delay of game penalties that werent called. Edited January 16, 2023 by bigduke6 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Fool Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I remembered when I first became confused about referees making miscalls in my sports entertainment. It really made me upset. Nowadays I recognize that such groups have more goals than a perfectly officiated match between professionals. Life makes a lot more sense nowadays than it did back then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On the dolphins last play, where Elam broke it up, there was a clear block in the back too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: this is penalty they should just get rid of. it provides no safety to any player as it is currently enforced. Interesting. I always thought it was more like holding where the spirit of the penalty is less about safety and more about that life is too easy on blockers if they can block someone in the back who's gotten leverage on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, bigduke6 said: after watching all the games this weekend i can only suspect the NFL told the refs to keep the flags in their pockets unless it was something so blatantly obvious and egregious that they had to call it. doesnt explain the block on Andrews, but it sure explains alot of the other stuff i saw uncalled. imo the Phins could have had at least 7 more delay of game penalties that werent called. Then how do you explain that soft DPI call on Tre that extended the Dolphins lone actual drive? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The officiating in the playoffs league wide has been spotty at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) That was obviously a block in the back. I have been wondering why no one has mentioned it on the highlight shows I’ve watched? It’s like “here’s this incredible play but we will ignore this obvious block in the back “! Edited January 16, 2023 by 4th&long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 There was a block in the back on the Dolphins last offensive play too. Had elam not broken it up, I was ready to go ballistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Interesting. I always thought it was more like holding where the spirit of the penalty is less about safety and more about that life is too easy on blockers if they can block someone in the back who's gotten leverage on them. every man for himself out there. a block is a block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: On the dolphins last play, where Elam broke it up, there was a clear block in the back too. Edmunds was also blatantly blocked in the back on the Dolphins' 4th and 8 conversion, following a Milano missed tackle 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: this is penalty they should just get rid of. it provides no safety to any player as it is currently enforced. Interesting thought. But the consequences of that would be pretty unsafe. Players would start getting blasted in the back on every play and it WOULD lead to injuries as they are not able to protect themselves. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, simpleman said: I just saw the highlights of the Cinci playoff game. On the winning fumble recovery, there was an obvious block to the back to a player that had caught up with the runner before he crossed the goal line. Why would that not be a penalty, it occurred before the touchdown was scored. I am beginning to get more and more confused about legal and illegal actions in the NFL. Thank You in advance for the explanation. The refs had swallowed their whistles by then. A few plays prior Huntley ran the ball for a big gain and first down. He was only able to do so because a Baltimore OG tackled a Cincy DT rushing up the middle. He would’ve likely tackled Huntley for a loss had that not happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: On the dolphins last play, where Elam broke it up, there was a clear block in the back too. Saw that and thought the same thing as it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 You literally can't find a fan forum for any team in the NFL that doesn't have posters complaining that the refs are working against them. Even Patriots* fans have these complaints. My conclusion: Officiating an NFL game is very messy, and difficult. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 That was local boy Sam Hubbard. The refs would have been killed if they called that. It’s like I’m sure that there were holds and blocks in the back on Hines’ KO return but there was no way that was going to be flagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Edmunds was also blatantly blocked in the back on the Dolphins' 4th and 8 conversion, following a Milano missed tackle There were like 10 missed block in the back calls. the 4th and 8 was particularly egregious though because Edmunds is in position to push him out of bounds but gets pushed from behind and the runner is just like ok, ill keep running then. FIRST DOWN!!! no comment from Romo or anyone. Found it around 5:17 in the "highlights": Edited January 16, 2023 by What a Tuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Poyer got clipped on Miami TD. He would if stopped it. Miami player blocked him right on back jersey 21, right between the 2 and 1. They kept replaying TD, with an obvious clip on Poyer! Hubbard’s TD there was an obvious clip as well. That TD shouldn’t of counted either. That is two bogus playoff TDs Edited January 16, 2023 by Pete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: On the dolphins last play, where Elam broke it up, there was a clear block in the back too. Groot got pushed to the ground, no call. But Elam broke up the pass, so I was screaming YES YES YES like Meg Ryan instead of questioning the ref's ancestry. I was shocked that the refs didn't call the blatant block in the back on the fumble 6. It was clear from the games this weekend that the NFL sent out a memo that the refs were supposed to let the ticky-tack stuff go. But it doesn't explain letting the blatant stuff go as well. Edited January 16, 2023 by Freddie's Dead 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: this is penalty they should just get rid of. it provides no safety to any player as it is currently enforced. Yeah but if they eliminate the penalty you can start blowing up people from behind which will cause an actual safety hazard. Edited January 16, 2023 by That's No Moon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Obvious block in the back. Just like the obvious block in the back yesterday on Edmunds that allowed Miami to get a 1st down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Yeah but if they eliminate the penalty you can start blowing up people from behind which will cause an actual safety hazard. has it stopped blocks in the back? how many players have missed games because they got blown up in the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Refs are (either consciously or unconsciously) biased against making calls where 70,000 people will start yelling at them. We oldheads call that the Immaculate Reception effect 😁 "Raiders safety George Atkinson offered some eyewitness testimony of the referee conference 40 years later in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "We wandered over to hear what they were talking about. We thought they were deciding if the play was dead; instead, they were concerned about security. I heard it with my own ears." https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2662252-urban-legends-of-the-nfl-did-frightened-refs-stage-the-immaculate-reception Edited January 16, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On the Dolphins last TD drive, the play where Waddle takes the handoff. Poyer cannot make the full tackle because he gets body checked from behind near the goal line by a Miami player with no call. The Cinci TD is not quite as bad but still a block in the back. The Officials so far in the playoffs have been their usual mediocre to terrible quality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I guess I'm pretty much the only person who didn't have a huge problem with that block. I rewatched it and it looked to me like the guy initiated the block as Andrews was running alongside him. It looks like a block in the back because Andrews is running past him, so as he initiates contact, his hand is on his back right shoulder and it appears like he pushes into his back. But to me, it was contact initiated when they were side-by-side as Andrews was speeding past him. Close enough to me, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: On the Dolphins last TD drive, the play where Waddle takes the handoff. Poyer cannot make the full tackle because he gets body checked from behind near the goal line by a Miami player with no call. The Cinci TD is not quite as bad but still a block in the back. The Officials so far in the playoffs have been their usual mediocre to terrible quality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, bigduke6 said: after watching all the games this weekend i can only suspect the NFL told the refs to keep the flags in their pockets unless it was something so blatantly obvious and egregious that they had to call it. doesnt explain the block on Andrews, but it sure explains alot of the other stuff i saw uncalled. imo the Phins could have had at least 7 more delay of game penalties that werent called. I believe no offensive holds and maybe 1 very minor PI called in our game. They let them play, and I liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 It seems that only call that penalty on special teams. So many offensive players get away with it in every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I just can't buy into "they missed the call". What Ref was not looking at that game changing play. What sky judge was not watching that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, simpleman said: I just saw the highlights of the Cinci playoff game. On the winning fumble recovery, there was an obvious block to the back to a player that had caught up with the runner before he crossed the goal line. Why would that not be a penalty, it occurred before the touchdown was scored. I am beginning to get more and more confused about legal and illegal actions in the NFL. Thank You in advance for the explanation. It was an extremely rare, once-in-a-lifetime, historic play in a playoff game. Do you really think the refs were going to call a penalty on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, GolfandBills said: The officiating in the playoffs league wide has been is spotty at best Fixed this for you! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I know a ton of Dolphins fans are complaining about the refing but they missed a ton of Blocks in the Back (the Edmunds one on 4th and 8 was the most obvious), plenty of holding calls on the Dolphins OLine were missed. Didn't look like the refs wanted to call penalties. Aside note: I've never seen anything like how many times the Bills blew up a play only to have a coach call a timeout right before the play starts or the Dolphins getting a penalty for Delay of Game. Like 4/5 times that happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: It seems that only call that penalty on special teams. So many offensive players get away with it in every game. Except when it’s called against the Bills in the playoffs vs Texans 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: You literally can't find a fan forum for any team in the NFL that doesn't have posters complaining that the refs are working against them. Even Patriots* fans have these complaints. My conclusion: Officiating an NFL game is very messy, and difficult. Agreed. I’ll tell you one thing though, the calls against us haven’t been as egregious since we entered the NFLs elite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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