Demongyz Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Anyone know what question McD would not comment on? The audio for the reporters questions is so bad. I almost never watch these anymore. I think it was about what the NFL was doing about the Cinci game, but can't be sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I didn't see this posted yet, but if it has been, please forgive me. Pertinent part in bold. From the NFLPA press conference about Damar Hamlin today: “A lot of people have been speculating about what would have caused this [to a] young, healthy, great condition young man,” Hines said. “What we have seen through the video and what we know, Thom and I discussed this and probably said this in unison, commotio cordis, the blow that hits you in the chest and hits you in a very unique time and what’s when there’s an upstroke of the heart and go back to what an EKG looks like and the second peak, it had to hit you in the right place. So, it’s a very rare incidence that doesn’t happen very often at all, but we know about it. The emergency action plans preparing the teams ahead of time, that’s all part of hoping for the best and preparing for the worst, and that’s what happened. They were ready.” Mayer stressed that Hamlin’s commotio cordis diagnosis is a first for the NFL. “It is unusual and quite unique,” Mayer said. “The good news is if that continues to be the presumptive working diagnosis, that is so exceedingly rare that someone who had would not be at risk for the future, and if if indeed that turns out to be the bottom line diagnosis, then there’s been 24,000 men who have played this game in the National Football League, and this has never happened before, so it would be a 1 in 24,000 incidences.” 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, OZBILLS said: Right now, Buffalo are going to be America's team. We're going to have the support of the entire neutral world going forward! Glad to see WE ARE AMERICA'S TEAM!!! RED, WHITE AND BLUE!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Anyone know what question McD would not comment on? The audio for the reporters questions is so bad. I almost never watch these anymore. Weird question about what he felt about the league wanting them to play this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Logic said: I didn't see this posted yet, but if it has been, please forgive me. Pertinent part in bold. From the NFLPA press conference about Damar Hamlin today: “A lot of people have been speculating about what would have caused this [to a] young, healthy, great condition young man,” Hines said. “What we have seen through the video and what we know, Thom and I discussed this and probably said this in unison, commotio cordis, the blow that hits you in the chest and hits you in a very unique time and what’s when there’s an upstroke of the heart and go back to what an EKG looks like and the second peak, it had to hit you in the right place. So, it’s a very rare incidence that doesn’t happen very often at all, but we know about it. The emergency action plans preparing the teams ahead of time, that’s all part of hoping for the best and preparing for the worst, and that’s what happened. They were ready.” Mayer stressed that Hamlin’s commotio cordis diagnosis is a first for the NFL. “It is unusual and quite unique,” Mayer said. “The good news is if that continues to be the presumptive working diagnosis, that is so exceedingly rare that someone who had would not be at risk for the future, and if if indeed that turns out to be the bottom line diagnosis, then there’s been 24,000 men who have played this game in the National Football League, and this has never happened before, so it would be a 1 in 24,000 incidences.” His doctors stressed that he has not been diagnosed with anything yet. They still have many tests to run in order to rule out numerous possibilities before they arrive at the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, Demongyz said: I think it was about what the NFL was doing about the Cinci game, but can't be sure I’m paraphrasing but it was along the lines of the previous question…. “I know you guys said you want to play this weekend but do you think that’s also what the NFL wants?” “NFL” …..Implying Goodell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 There is a FAKE "update" video on YouTube with a very disturbing title. DO NOT OPEN OR CLICK ON THE QR CODE. Its a scam to get you to buy crypto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Never had a doubt Team Hamlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: WE ARE AMERICA'S TEAM!!! RED, WHITE AND BLUE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, finn said: I assumed the 3 referred to Damar's number and the 51 to someone else, but it belongs to a backup linebacker. we all know what 51-3 means around here 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Noticed Coach McD thanked Terry Pegula and not Terry and Kim Pegula. Wonder if she’s still away from the team. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Tenhigh said: "Doc, this is Jerry Sullivan. I have this pain in my ankle that only hurts when I walk...." I know it’s a minor thing. But I’m really glad he hasn’t been around asking questions this week. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said: Noticed Coach McD thanked Terry Pegula and not Terry and Kim Pegula. Wonder if she’s still away from the team. I kind of wonder about this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: It was Mookie, I would be willing to bet he just used the wrong word, he's not generally a negative person. I believe you're probably correct. But there have been all kinds of crazy rumors around the internet - that Hamlin had to have CPR and be defibrillated again in the hospital, that he had a tracheostomy, that his jaw had been broken, that the ambulance waited for Hamlin's mom possibly to the detriment of his immediate care, that Hamlin's brain activity was flatlined and his family just couldn't face the decision to take him off life support, and I'm sure I'm not touching the surface. So he might have used the word that he meant, and gotten the answer he wanted when they doctors responded to the effect "I don't think anything detrimental was done" Nit: spelled Muki 3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Noticed Coach McD thanked Terry Pegula and not Terry and Kim Pegula. Wonder if she’s still away from the team. I think that is correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, Draconator said: I love you Thanks, but I have my sights set on @teef - but if that falls through, I’ll come back for you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, BRH said: we all know what 51-3 means around here Raaaiiiidaaahhhzzzzz lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Motorin' said: His doctors stressed that he has not been diagnosed with anything yet. They still have many tests to run in order to rule out numerous possibilities before they arrive at the answer. Just like any medical diagnosis, you stabilize and solidify the patients health first and foremost. You then in the future take all the analysis and then you systemically rule out what did/didn’t occur to come up with what created the outcomes. You don’t identify the root cause first. There are many types of underlying heart conditions that could have contributed and they will rule them out by process of elimination. Unfortunately the Twitter experts have already decided they know it’s either one root cause or vaccine related where it’s quite possible is neither. No matter, god bless Damar and get well soon!!!!! Edited January 5, 2023 by Locomark 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 37 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said: It’s incredibly cool how impressed the UC doctors were with the Bills medical staff. They clearly saved Damar’s life by performing perfectly in an unprecedented situation. I feel so proud that Buffalo has such great people in the organization. We've learned something this week about how the NFL has put resources in place and trained and before each game in each stadium, holds a preparedness meeting for just this medical true emergency - which has never actually occurred on a professional football field since...1971? So these guys on the training staff stay current, year after year, skills they hope they'll never have to use. They and the physicians and opponent's staff talk through, week after week, roles and responsibilities and protocols and procedures that again, they hope they'll never have to use. Well, Monday, they had to implement those never used protocols and test those never used skills, and it all worked like a well-oiled Swiss watch. They have to be proud. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, Logic said: I didn't see this posted yet, but if it has been, please forgive me. Pertinent part in bold. From the NFLPA press conference about Damar Hamlin today: “A lot of people have been speculating about what would have caused this [to a] young, healthy, great condition young man,” Hines said. “What we have seen through the video and what we know, Thom and I discussed this and probably said this in unison, commotio cordis, the blow that hits you in the chest and hits you in a very unique time and what’s when there’s an upstroke of the heart and go back to what an EKG looks like and the second peak, it had to hit you in the right place. So, it’s a very rare incidence that doesn’t happen very often at all, but we know about it. The emergency action plans preparing the teams ahead of time, that’s all part of hoping for the best and preparing for the worst, and that’s what happened. They were ready.” Mayer stressed that Hamlin’s commotio cordis diagnosis is a first for the NFL. “It is unusual and quite unique,” Mayer said. “The good news is if that continues to be the presumptive working diagnosis, that is so exceedingly rare that someone who had would not be at risk for the future, and if if indeed that turns out to be the bottom line diagnosis, then there’s been 24,000 men who have played this game in the National Football League, and this has never happened before, so it would be a 1 in 24,000 incidences.” I didnt watch the medical press conference in full but I could have sworn that they didnt diagnose him with that yet and further said that diagnosis comes from pretty much ruling everything else out and they havent done that yet. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Locomark said: Just like any medical diagnosis, you stabilize and solidify the patients health first and foremost. You then in the future take all the analysis and then you systemically rule out what did/didn’t occur to come up with what created the outcomes. You don’t identify the root cause first. There are many types of underlying heart conditions that could have contributed and they will rule them out by process of elimination. Unfortunately the Twitter experts have already decide they know it’s either one root cause or vaccine related where is quite possible is neither. i agree. I don’t understand how anyone can speculate as to cause, including the NFL docs. Let’s all hope it is something rare like commotio cordis, as the NFL docs have speculated. But it is driving me a little crazy that people are speculating on various causes and calling things “misinformation” already. I am just hoping it isn’t some undiagnosed heart defect or something that could be recurring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 somebody better trademark "Did we Win" STAT in other words PRONTO It is already iconic as far as I'm concerned. All Proceeds to Mr Hamlins charity That would be sweet. He will concentrate on recovery and then be helped to manage all the money raised for IMO whatever Mr Hamlin and his people decide. What an incredible gift bestowed him from a lot of people. Its Humbling. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Noticed Coach McD thanked Terry Pegula and not Terry and Kim Pegula. Wonder if she’s still away from the team. I noticed that too. Whatever happened with Kim is not good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 29 minutes ago, KHAN said: 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I didnt watch the medical press conference in full but I could have sworn that they didnt diagnose him with that yet and further said that diagnosis comes from pretty much ruling everything else out and they havent done that yet. Correct he has not been diagnosed with that 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I didnt watch the medical press conference in full but I could have sworn that they didnt diagnose him with that yet and further said that diagnosis comes from pretty much ruling everything else out and they havent done that yet. You are correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Thanks, but I have my sights set on @teef Name one of us on this board that doesn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 minute ago, JDubya76 said: Name one of us on this board that doesn’t. Gene. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Havent been able to keep track last 24hrs. So happy to hear he’s coming around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Is 153 pages the longest ever topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: Is 153 pages the longest ever topic? Not even halfway there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: Is 153 pages the longest ever topic? zach ertz and matt ariaza have entered the chat. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 28 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I didnt watch the medical press conference in full but I could have sworn that they didnt diagnose him with that yet and further said that diagnosis comes from pretty much ruling everything else out and they havent done that yet. Yeah. I think the term “presumptive working diagnosis” indicates that they suspect they know what the cause of the cardiac arrest was, but have not yet arrived at an official, final diagnosis. I believe the quotes I posted were from NFLPA medical people, not Hamlin’s doctors. I’m not sure how their language in describing their working theories and diagnosis probabilities would differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 McDermott is the perfect coach at the perfect time for this team and after watching that presser today and seeing 17 interject when McDermott was asked do you think they’re ready, that’s was awesome. Josh at the very end making it clear to all that Higgins has zero fault in a freak accident and telling people to stop being knobs(Bart Scott), incredible. That press conference was a crystal clear example of the total package a modern day franchise QB. 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, julian said: McDermott is the perfect coach at the perfect time for this team and after watching that presser today and seeing 17 interject when McDermott was asked do you think they’re ready, that’s was awesome. Josh at the very end making it clear to all that Higgins has zero fault in a freak accident and telling people to stop being knobs(Bart Scott), incredible. That press conference was a crystal clear example of the total package a modern day franchise QB. As I read this, this came up on my feed. 4 3 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Is today the greatest day in Buffalo sports history? I say yes. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chaos said: Is today the greatest day in Buffalo sports history? I say yes. Give it a few more weeks before declaring that, my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chaos said: Is today the greatest day in Buffalo sports history? I say yes. For the next five weeks or so, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pennstate10 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 9 hours ago, DrPJax said: I think just about every expert , dr believes that was the mechanism. Other things like aortic dissection , Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy , coronary artery disease or anomalies would have been investigated and the attending physicians would not just allow a false narrative ti continue. We all saw what happened ; it’s the old saying in medicine if you hear hoof beats behind you and turn around , it’s usually a horse and not a zebra. This is yet ANOTHER CRITICAL CARE EXPERT all agreeing with the diagnosis , not still working on a differential. If you want other explanation or evidence , other than an autopsy , it’s just being argumentative for the sake of arguing. What else explains it and how can you support a different conclusion then? Will it take 1 more or a hundred more Drs saying the diagnosis for you to “ accept “ that if it quacks like a duck, usually it’s a duck ? Part if the art of medicine , and it is still largely an art where experience matters , these all very experienced Drs diagnosing visually ( we are in an age of legitimate, reimbursable telemedicine now, but most very good Drs agree, you can diagnose about 80% of the things patients present with just by getting a good history alone) , so arguing over semantics seems silly. . Again , if not that , please feel free to put forth some discussion as a colleague and we can gladly debate. Just negating things without some reasonable alternative seems a little light in the effort department is all I’m saying ;;it’s not how colleagues learn or debate ideas. At least it never used to be until suddenly it’s more convenient to just cancel things or not listen at all. No one has ever said commotio cordis is the ONLY DIAGNOSIS , BUT ARE YOU ACTUALLY ARGUING IT WAS NOT A FACTOR AT ALL? You are welcome to your opinion ; usually when negating something , at least where I have been in talks and rounds , people aren’t just called out without a counter discussion of ideas. Maybe it’s different in other countries, or planets , I don’t know !? 😊 I said it was an explanation and he uses diagrams and language that those not in the profession can easily relate too. He did use that as his working diagnosis in two videos now. It mentions the latest info I have heard , about lowering the o2 down to 50%. Of course that’s not brand new , nothing is brand new yet ! But again for the majority who are not medical personnel, it did discuss how the treating Drs might be seeing improvement with just positioning, and they did say they saw “ some improvements”. I would bet most people have not had ards explained relating to an arrest or have viewed how it appears on X-ray. This is for a message board , just tried to post something that helps visually. It’s not a grand rounds lecture, never alluded it as such, and I just quoted a Dr I have followed ( along with a million other subscribers, so the numbers might be on his side here ) who is board certified , treated these type of patients, and has a good demeanor. But let’s just criticize because that adds,,,,,nothing! If not up to your standards for info from a football message board, it’s ok to move on , it’s that simple as nothing was posted with bad intent or for click bait. He did confirm , and this was said by Damar’s relative speaking on CNN , that he was awake and then sedated and that is relevant for prognosis relating to preservation of his brain , pretty important as that’s the only objective thing we can measure; throwing around statements that the time of 9 min doing cpr etc mean nothing until we see if his brain was preserved. It’s sounds at least somewhat positive that he is less likely to have suffered brain death, tho we can’t be 100% sure, yet. This dr felt comfortable saying that to 1 million subscribers , so he must have some history of reliability; imo he has proven to be measured and reliable since 2020. It’s his reputation tho , not mine , so shooting the messenger again seems silly. It was posted to view as another opinion with some very good explanations and diagrams ( prob not many can visualize how the diaphragm and heart can affect lung expansion) IMO for people in non- medical professions. No one posted it was THE ONLY reliable info from the attendings at cincy, so of course it’s a general description. It really doesn’t need your disclaimer ; no one was harmed or misled and as far as I know , this is not a peer reviewed journal. Lol, man , his videos were posted by others before in this thread and received well ; it is what it is and it’s like the commercial , “ we don’t need a line monitor here”. Lol. Let’s hope his being awake was accurate info at the time and , who knows , maybe this dr has trained with or knows docs at Cincy as he spoke very highly of them! Have a better day ! 😉👍 Huh... As stated, I think that your linked video was a good general explanation of commotio cordis and potential complications and therapies. I disagreed with your analysis with respect to Hamlin, as quoted here: "This video is great as it confirms the diagnosis, but it really does a fantastic job showing the complications from cpr;the possible development of acute respiratory distress syndrome associated with cardiac arrest ; he mentions two resuscitation attempts; he shows the changes in the lungs on X-ray and why 100% oxygen was needed" 1) Diagnosis of CC wasnt confirmed, in fact, Cincy ICU docs specifically stated that they have more evaluation to do before arriving at a dx. CC is a diagnosis of exclusion. I'm not saying that CC isnt the correct diagnosis. But have the docs ruled out hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, for instance? This can be difficult to rule out without genetic testing and stress echocardiograms. Hard to do a stress echo on an intubated patient. 2) There werent 2 resuscitation attempts. 3) The CXR shown wasnt Hamlin's, but an example of a patient with ARDS (who in all likelihood didnt have CC). Are you a physician? I am. Most docs I know are careful with their words, and would never state a diagnosis was confirmed based on what TV docs were speculating. Great news that Damar is awake and communicating. Thats really, really promising re: neurologic status. Hopefully they will be able to extubate him soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, Logic said: Yeah. I think the term “presumptive working diagnosis” indicates that they suspect they know what the cause of the cardiac arrest was, but have not yet arrived at an official, final diagnosis. I believe the quotes I posted were from NFLPA medical people, not Hamlin’s doctors. I’m not sure how their language in describing their working theories and diagnosis probabilities would differ. The differing language would be driven by differing timelines and responsibilities. I'm assuming here that immediate testing ruled out coronary artery disease and structural defects of the heart, straightforward tests for conditions that would need immediate treatment. The UC doctors treating Hamlin have a responsibility to him and his family to be 100% sure before they give them a diagnosis. They need to scrutinize every cardiac rhythm, deep-dive into the health of his heart muscle after recovery, and rule out every rare genetic condition before they tell him "we think this was commotio cordis and is unlikely to recur". They have nothing to gain and much to lose by speaking before they do that. The NFLPA doctors have a large membership of football players who want to know what the hell happened before they start smashing into each other this Saturday. Assuming the straightforward stuff has been excluded, they can tell their members that this seems to be the working diagnosis and it's very rare and requires a fluke placement at a fluky time. If it's not, then the other most likely cause is that it's specific to Hamlin, and also unlikely to apply to the membership at large. So they have a need to provide information now but not much to lose if the latter proves true when all is said and done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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