Lamar Jackson leaves denver game with knee injury

[ArtVandalay]

15 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Sad for him, hope he he heals up quickly, and there is no lingering issues, that said, the guy needs an agent, it’s this sort of thing that having had a contract in hand would have given him financial protection, you can lead a horse to water…, 

Unless he gets an Alex Smith type injury he'll be fine. With modern medicine you pop and ACL you are on the field next year just like you were before. 

 

This kid is gong to break the market from QB needy teams bidding on him.

 

He's already made enough money to be set for life, let's see if he can set the high score now. I expect him to go franchise tag 2x then hit the market like Cousins did. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Fixxxer]

Lamar's injury didn't look too serious. Bad luck for the kid. Hopefully for him, it isn't a serious injury.

 

BTW, Hackett sucks. Can't believe how bad that Broncos offense is. 

[Teddy KGB]

16 hours ago, NewEra said:

Poor guy.  Can’t help but feel bad for him.

the guy who tells fans to eat a bag of D’s on Twitter is nice ? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

the guy who tells fans to eat a bag of D’s on Twitter is nice ? 

Kind of like a 'Little House on the Prairie' episode.  Nellie Olesson falls in a mud puddle after being a witch for the previous 45 minutes; you just can't feel too  sorry for her...🤔

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

27 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

the guy who tells fans to eat a bag of D’s on Twitter is nice ? 

You’re taking him out of context.  That fan never smelt the field, and it was only one d. 

[wjag]

47 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Kind of like a 'Little House on the Prairie' episode.  Nellie Olesson falls in a mud puddle after being a witch for the previous 45 minutes; you just can't feel too  sorry for her...🤔

 

Nomination for the Most Obscure Analogy reference on a message board...  I like it.

[H2o]

It's pretty fair to say that Lamar has cost himself a lot of $$$. He probably could have had $200M gtd in August, but didn't take the deal. Then, this season, we have seen him struggle again. His completion percentage has been on the decline since his 2nd season, his MVP season, as well as his number of overall TD's. He's still an effective runner of course, but we have seen him going down due to injury the last two seasons now. He hasn't progressed as a passer at all imo. He still has trouble reading defenses and throwing outside the hashes. A lot of his completions are generated due to his legs and then finding the open man when the play breaks down, usually a TE. I have a feeling that Lamar is not viewed by NFL FO's the same way the media has tried to portray him and hype him up the last 3 years. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 minutes ago, H2o said:

I have a feeling that Lamar is not viewed by NFL FO's the same way the media has tried to portray him and hype him up the last 3 years. 

Topping 'Eye Missed It News': Buffalo afternoon sports radio host ponders leaving role, and signing on as agent for Lamar Jackson!

Edited December 5, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Southern_Bills]

14 minutes ago, H2o said:

It's pretty fair to say that Lamar has cost himself a lot of $$$. He probably could have had $200M gtd in August, but didn't take the deal. Then, this season, we have seen him struggle again. His completion percentage has been on the decline since his 2nd season, his MVP season, as well as his number of overall TD's. He's still an effective runner of course, but we have seen him going down due to injury the last two seasons now. He hasn't progressed as a passer at all imo. He still has trouble reading defenses and throwing outside the hashes. A lot of his completions are generated due to his legs and then finding the open man when the play breaks down, usually a TE. I have a feeling that Lamar is not viewed by NFL FO's the same way the media has tried to portray him and hype him up the last 3 years. 

 

 

You are probably very close to the truth.

 

The burning question I want to know is why Wideouts do not want to play there. Is it the blocking for Lamar? Lack of creativity in routes from Roman? One of those things I'd like to know a definitive answer to (don't expect to get it) instead of just educated speculation. 

[ddaryl]

A bird in the hand !!!

I know he was holding out for a fatter contract but injury concerns may cost him. I think he had a solid deal on the table and I think he is a bit of fool for playing hardball for a few million more.

[wjag]

I think this now make 3 out of 5 seasons he has missed time.  That can't help his CV.

[AlfaBill]

16 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

A bird in the hand !!!

I know he was holding out for a fatter contract but injury concerns may cost him. I think he had a solid deal on the table and I think he is a bit of fool for playing hardball for a few million more.

Yup. The ego on some of these guys though. He doesn’t need the money so it’s really all about being the highest paid. He’s a bum. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by AlfaBill

[H2o]

32 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

 

You are probably very close to the truth.

 

The burning question I want to know is why Wideouts do not want to play there. Is it the blocking for Lamar? Lack of creativity in routes from Roman? One of those things I'd like to know a definitive answer to (don't expect to get it) instead of just educated speculation. 

I say it's a combination of both. Greg Roman has had four 1,000 yard WR's in his 15 years of being an OC. Crabtree, Boldin (twice), Watkins, and Hollywood Brown. His offense has basically 0 creativity in the passing game. Alex Smith, Kaepernick, Tyrod, and Lamar probably have a say in that, but his scheme is what it is. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

the guy who tells fans to eat a bag of D’s on Twitter is nice ? 

Yeah, that guy.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

 

Nomination for the Most Obscure Analogy reference on a message board...  I like it.

You look at the floor and see the floor... I look at the floor and see molecules...(Dan Aykroyd)

[DCofNC]

17 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I know this is not going to go over well but I think Tyler Huntley has shown the potential to be at the same level Lamar Jackson has played at. Granted Jackson has been pretty bad this year.

I think what you are seeing is the team does not drop off that much with Huntley out there vs Lamar and that’s reason enough to question if Lamar is the answer.  
 

Lamar is a clearly elite athlete that does things literally no other QB can, but he’s also not a traditional passer that can open the field up.  I will give him credit, I think he’s trying to better his game from the pocket and be a more complete QB and doing an admirable job at it, but he’s not there yet and at this point in his career, it’s fair to ask if he ever will be.   Typically, the big jumps in performance from learning come after the rookie year and shine by the 3rd year.  Sure there are exceptions, and he’s an exception to a lot of rules, but I’d be surprised if he’s ever feared as a passer.  

 

I don’t think your observation of Huntley being his equal (or close to it) is really accurate.  I think Huntley is more of a Tyrod Taylor type of player in terms of a ceiling.  To your point, the system seems to make it look pretty even and if the system is that good and the “elite” QB isn’t looking insanely good in it, you have to question the QB.  
 

I think we are seeing what a system Tailored to a QBs skill set can do in Philly and to his credit Hurts looks unbelievable in it.  I am beginning to wonder if the kid isn’t really on his way to the elite tier of QBs.  I am stocking up on crow and plan to have one heck of a feast if he takes Philly deep in the playoffs, he’s proving me very wrong about his ability to pass.  He’s getting a lot of wide open passes, much like Jackson is known/faulted for, but nobody has shown the ability to stop it yet.  If he can prove he can make the throws against big time D’s, he’s got to be considered with the top tier.  Lamar still has not made that jump and that’s why the team doesn’t look much different with Huntley running things.

[H2o]

Aaaaaaand just like I was talking about earlier, Louis Riddick is defending Lamar with his every breath and acting angry that people dare think he isn't worth some massive deal. He's not talking about Lamar's decline since his 2nd year, only about what Lamar has around him this year. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Lamar ends up in Atlanta. You heard it hear first.

 

 

2 hours ago, H2o said:

I say it's a combination of both. Greg Roman has had four 1,000 yard WR's in his 15 years of being an OC. Crabtree, Boldin (twice), Watkins, and Hollywood Brown. His offense has basically 0 creativity in the passing game. Alex Smith, Kaepernick, Tyrod, and Lamar probably have a say in that, but his scheme is what it is. 

 

Looking like Roman is finally getting a HC nod and heading back to Stanford. Will be interesting to see what that does to the Ravens and their plans.

[Scott7975]

21 hours ago, FireChans said:

Terrible if he has a significant injury.

 

As an aside, I feel like the Ravens and Lamar have really fallen off a cliff. Last year was the injuries and this year they’ve looked pretty mediocre.

 

Because Lamar and the Roman offense is figured out and Lamar is not a good enough pocket passer to compensate. It was actually figured out two years ago but not enough defenses had the horses to contain Lamar and cover Andrews. 

20 hours ago, Augie said:

 

It’s football, it’s dangerous!  You can be injured on the sideline if you are not careful. In the pocket he will have to take his chances. Outside of the pocket……he will need to be smart. I don’t mind SOME running by Josh, but I do NOT want him being our leading rusher. THAT is just asking for trouble. 

 

Josh doesnt really run all that much.  Its just that when he does he picks up like 20+ yards. Thats more the reason he is our leading rusher.

[Scott7975]

19 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

If he gets with the right coach he’s a top 10 QB easily though, he’s proven that. I shudder to think of Lamar with the Jets.

 

He is already with the best coach he can be for his skillset.

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He is already with the best coach he can be for his skillset.

We’ll see. He has a high ceiling, one may argue that he hasn’t reached that ceiling yet.

[Special K]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

It's pretty fair to say that Lamar has cost himself a lot of $$$. He probably could have had $200M gtd in August, but didn't take the deal. Then, this season, we have seen him struggle again. His completion percentage has been on the decline since his 2nd season, his MVP season, as well as his number of overall TD's. He's still an effective runner of course, but we have seen him going down due to injury the last two seasons now. He hasn't progressed as a passer at all imo. He still has trouble reading defenses and throwing outside the hashes. A lot of his completions are generated due to his legs and then finding the open man when the play breaks down, usually a TE. I have a feeling that Lamar is not viewed by NFL FO's the same way the media has tried to portray him and hype him up the last 3 years. 

 

I got crapped on in another thread for having basically the same take about Jackson, but what you say in this post is the truth, even if some people don’t want to admit it.

 

They like to hide behind the “he doesn’t have any talent around him” excuse, an excuse not afforded to other QB’s in the league.

 

When Josh Allen was throwing to the rotting corpse of Kelvin Benjamin, and a mentally unstable Zay Jones, no one in the media used the he doesn’t have any talent around him excuse.....they just laughed at him and called him a bust.

 

Meanwhile, Jackson has been in the league four years and he still is being afforded that excuse instead of being criticized for just not being good enough to be an elite QB.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Special K

[Captain Hindsight]

20 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

If he gets with the right coach he’s a top 10 QB easily though, he’s proven that. I shudder to think of Lamar with the Jets.

The Ravens changed everything in their organization for this guy and it has worked. He's a former MVP, 43-15 as a starter and 125 total TDs Since 2018 these are the only guys with more TDs than Jackson

 

Patrick Mahomes

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady

Kirk Cousins

Russell Wilson

Josh Allen 

 

People like to rip on Jackson for not being the best thrower, but he is incredibly effective player and he is going to get paid. I'm not sure going to the Jets makes him more effective and I would ague he's already a top 10 QB

[FilthyBeast]

I thought the Ravens were a lock to win that division but I'm thinking the Bengals are about to continue their current ascent regardless of LJ's health and availability.

 

Still think the Ravens will be a lock for one of the WC spots though because I've had both those teams in the playoffs this year from the beginning.

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

It's pretty fair to say that Lamar has cost himself a lot of $$$. He probably could have had $200M gtd in August, but didn't take the deal. Then, this season, we have seen him struggle again. His completion percentage has been on the decline since his 2nd season, his MVP season, as well as his number of overall TD's. He's still an effective runner of course, but we have seen him going down due to injury the last two seasons now. He hasn't progressed as a passer at all imo. He still has trouble reading defenses and throwing outside the hashes. A lot of his completions are generated due to his legs and then finding the open man when the play breaks down, usually a TE. I have a feeling that Lamar is not viewed by NFL FO's the same way the media has tried to portray him and hype him up the last 3 years. 

 

10 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

I got crapped on in another thread for having basically the same take about Jackson, but what you say in this post is the truth, even if some people don’t want to admit it.

 

They like to hide behind the “he doesn’t have any talent around him” excuse, an excuse not afforded to other QB’s in the league.

 

When Josh Allen was throwing to the rotting corpse of Kelvin Benjamin, and a mentally unstable Zay Jones, no one in the media used the he doesn’t have any talent around him excuse.....they just laughed at him and called him a bust.

 

Meanwhile, Jackson has been in the league four years and he still is being afforded that excuse instead of being criticized for just not being good enough to be an elite QB.

 

I get where both of you are coming from, but I have to slightly disagree here.  This is a league where QB's get paid.  We all know that.  But more importantly, Lamar has a huge disclaimer of not only having a poor cast around him on offense most of his career, but also having his best weapon shipped to AZ this offseason leaving his cupboard even more bare.  Then there are the injuries all around the team on both sides of the ball in Balt and yet they are 8-4 still.    

 

Teams will look at what he has accomplished despite all those factors and still hand him a bag.  And lets say its not as much guaranteed, but that doesn't mean he won't still take home as much money at the end of the day.  For example if he signed a $200M contract fully guaranteed or signed a $200M contract with $140M of it guaranteed, he can still earn his full $200M just playing out his contract.  

 

End of the day though, whether he gets less, as much, or more than he might have been able to get in August, the amount he gets will still be a ton of money and he will be set for life.  

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

The Ravens changed everything in their organization for this guy and it has worked. He's a former MVP, 43-15 as a starter and 125 total TDs Since 2018 these are the only guys with more TDs than Jackson

 

Patrick Mahomes

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady

Kirk Cousins

Russell Wilson

Josh Allen 

 

People like to rip on Jackson for not being the best thrower, but he is incredibly effective player and he is going to get paid. I'm not sure going to the Jets makes him more effective and I would ague he's already a top 10 QB

in the Baltimore's Scheme that is completely designed around him.  Now the question becomes in a new team do they do the same or do they try and force him to tun into something he is not???

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 hours ago, H2o said:

It's pretty fair to say that Lamar has cost himself a lot of $$$. He probably could have had $200M gtd in August, but didn't take the deal. Then, this season, we have seen him struggle again. His completion percentage has been on the decline since his 2nd season, his MVP season, as well as his number of overall TD's. He's still an effective runner of course, but we have seen him going down due to injury the last two seasons now. He hasn't progressed as a passer at all imo. He still has trouble reading defenses and throwing outside the hashes. A lot of his completions are generated due to his legs and then finding the open man when the play breaks down, usually a TE. I have a feeling that Lamar is not viewed by NFL FO's the same way the media has tried to portray him and hype him up the last 3 years. 

 

I think it's the reverse of what happened with Allen.  Jackson started strong won MVP 2nd season so he's the next coming of the greatest player ever.  Once you get the reputation hard for the media to let go.  Allen on the other hand started slow so he didn't get much benefit of the doubt till maybe late last season with the media.  Even now there are still some who say Allen is nothing special. 

 

Can also argue many of Allen's completions too are made due to play breaking down and his scrambling.  The difference is he has superior arm talent compared to Jackson so can make much more out of much less.

[DrDawkinstein]

Jackson to Atlanta sure feels right.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

Jackson to Atlanta sure feels right.

Yep.  Or Whatever team ends up hiring Sean Payton.

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I get where both of you are coming from, but I have to slightly disagree here.  This is a league where QB's get paid.  We all know that.  But more importantly, Lamar has a huge disclaimer of not only having a poor cast around him on offense most of his career, but also having his best weapon shipped to AZ this offseason leaving his cupboard even more bare.  Then there are the injuries all around the team on both sides of the ball in Balt and yet they are 8-4 still.    

 

Teams will look at what he has accomplished despite all those factors and still hand him a bag.  And lets say its not as much guaranteed, but that doesn't mean he won't still take home as much money at the end of the day.  For example if he signed a $200M contract fully guaranteed or signed a $200M contract with $140M of it guaranteed, he can still earn his full $200M just playing out his contract.  

 

End of the day though, whether he gets less, as much, or more than he might have been able to get in August, the amount he gets will still be a ton of money and he will be set for life.  

 

All true, but Jackson doesn't have a contract yet.  He should have signed 2 weeks after Allen did last August.

He was at his height of fame and could easily got $45M AAV with a little higher guaranteed % than Josh.

If he had an agent, he would have told Jackson to take that.

 

I now bet he gets tagged next year for $31M.  He will have to hope his play doesn't drop off and he avoids a big injury.

All this contract stuff has to be a distraction and he was a fool not to have signed last year.  IMO.

[MAJBobby]

Lamar with the Week to Week designation

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Ah we are bashing Lamar again are we? We normally wait until a Ravens loss for that. 

 

8-4 in the division lead despite Andrews, and Stanley missing multiple games and Bateman and Dobbins being on IR (that is arguably their best 4 players on offense other than Jackson). And yet there they are. 

 

I don't know a single other QB who gets as much criticism for winning so consistently.

[mikemac2001]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Lamar with the Week to Week designation

 

 

Sounds like he is going to miss 2-3 games 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

I thought the Ravens were a lock to win that division but I'm thinking the Bengals are about to continue their current ascent regardless of LJ's health and availability.

 

Still think the Ravens will be a lock for one of the WC spots though because I've had both those teams in the playoffs this year from the beginning.

 

Their schedule is favorable and Huntley can certainly get hot in that offense. 

@Pitt

@Cleveland

Atlanta

Pittsburgh

@Cincinatti 

The AFCN likes to beat up on each other, but other than all of those being divisional games they should be able to go 2-3 down the stretch and finish the season 10-7 which should get them in. 

[H2o]

24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I get where both of you are coming from, but I have to slightly disagree here.  This is a league where QB's get paid.  We all know that.  But more importantly, Lamar has a huge disclaimer of not only having a poor cast around him on offense most of his career, but also having his best weapon shipped to AZ this offseason leaving his cupboard even more bare.  Then there are the injuries all around the team on both sides of the ball in Balt and yet they are 8-4 still.    

 

Teams will look at what he has accomplished despite all those factors and still hand him a bag.  And lets say its not as much guaranteed, but that doesn't mean he won't still take home as much money at the end of the day.  For example if he signed a $200M contract fully guaranteed or signed a $200M contract with $140M of it guaranteed, he can still earn his full $200M just playing out his contract.  

 

End of the day though, whether he gets less, as much, or more than he might have been able to get in August, the amount he gets will still be a ton of money and he will be set for life.  

I'm not saying Lamar is complete trash or anything, but he hasn't taken any noticeable steps forward. The numbers actually say he has taken a step back over the last 3 seasons. He's also a few years older now with a few years more wear and tear on his body. The injuries are starting to happen. He still can be dangerous, but his flaws remain his flaws. He is a top 10-15 starting QB in this league and should fall in that Cousins/Dak $$$ range. The one place that would be REALLY interesting if he landed there imo? Miami where they have Waddle and Hill, guys who are the epitome of a scramble drill. That would be an interesting fit. But even still, I don't think NFL FO's see him in the same light the media tries to portray him and hype him up as. He's not sliced bread. He's a supreme athlete who is a middling passer at the QB position. I still like to watch him play though. 

 

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I think it's the reverse of what happened with Allen.  Jackson started strong won MVP 2nd season so he's the next coming of the greatest player ever.  Once you get the reputation hard for the media to let go.  Allen on the other hand started slow so he didn't get much benefit of the doubt till maybe late last season with the media.  Even now there are still some who say Allen is nothing special. 

 

Can also argue many of Allen's completions too are made due to play breaking down and his scrambling.  The difference is he has superior arm talent compared to Jackson so can make much more out of much less.

Josh does thrive at times when the play breaks down. The main difference between Allen and Lamar though? Allen can make any and every throw on the football field, accurately, regardless of how tight the window, and he can do it from the pocket. Lamar cannot. I like Lamar, I really do, but he can't hold a candle to Josh. MVP or no MVP. 

[ColoradoBills]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Ah we are bashing Lamar again are we? We normally wait until a Ravens loss for that. 

 

8-4 in the division lead despite Andrews, and Stanley missing multiple games and Bateman and Dobbins being on IR (that is arguably their best 4 players on offense other than Jackson). And yet there they are. 

 

I don't know a single other QB who gets as much criticism for winning so consistently.

 

I've never "bashed" Lamar for his QB play.  I do think he's a fool for not hiring an agent and playing at the end of his 5th season

still without a long-term contract.

[TheBrownBear]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Ah we are bashing Lamar again are we? We normally wait until a Ravens loss for that. 

 

8-4 in the division lead despite Andrews, and Stanley missing multiple games and Bateman and Dobbins being on IR (that is arguably their best 4 players on offense other than Jackson). And yet there they are. 

 

I don't know a single other QB who gets as much criticism for winning so consistently.

I don't think it will ever end.  It's a byproduct of being in the same draft class as Allen and the media constantly playing both sides of the "who's better" argument.  LJ is the last remaining threat to the 2018 QB class throne, so there's always going to be some animosity there from certain segments of the Bills' fanbase.  

[Greg S]

27 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

Their schedule is favorable and Huntley can certainly get hot in that offense. 

@Pitt

@Cleveland

Atlanta

Pittsburgh

@Cincinatti 

The AFCN likes to beat up on each other, but other than all of those being divisional games they should be able to go 2-3 down the stretch and finish the season 10-7 which should get them in. 

 

That schedule doesn't look so easy especially if LJ misses some games.

[L Ron Burgundy]

23 hours ago, vincec said:

I don't think I've seen any study that shows a correlation for more injuries inside the pocket or outside. As you say, you often take bigger hits in the pocket, but if you run you are hit 100% of the time (unless you score an uncontested TD I guess) whereas many passes from the pocket occur without getting significant contact.

Or slide.  Or run out of bounds.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

The Ravens changed everything in their organization for this guy and it has worked. He's a former MVP, 43-15 as a starter and 125 total TDs Since 2018 these are the only guys with more TDs than Jackson

 

Patrick Mahomes

Aaron Rodgers

Tom Brady

Kirk Cousins

Russell Wilson

Josh Allen 

 

People like to rip on Jackson for not being the best thrower, but he is incredibly effective player and he is going to get paid. I'm not sure going to the Jets makes him more effective and I would ague he's already a top 10 QB

Lamar only makes that list because his running ability if I need a QB to get me 60 yards through the air in a minute with his arm I can't buy in to Jackson 

Edited December 5, 2022 by The Jokeman