Week 12: Bills at Lions on Thanksgiving

[Pete]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I would like to see Cook and Hines in backfield at same time.  We could motion and set up mismatch's.  And it would be good for opponent to burn time outs- because Hines lines up wide against some slow LB

[Playoffs?]

40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I agree, but it’s a duo until Hines sees the field.  Do it, Dorsey!

 

I think if Hines is used properly, we may see less of McKenzie… whether that excites people or not..

[Livinginthepast]

Bills have been great on Thanksgiving in the McD era. I hope it continues on Thursday. I think I might still have some lingering PTSD  though from the last time in Detroit on Thanksgiving!

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Livinginthepast

[Since1981]

19 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Hines

McKenzie Vs Hines. 
I’m not convinced McKenzie should be on the field as much as he is. A lot of smoke (pre snap movement) but no fire. I’m not sold Vs another man such as Hines 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Since1981

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think there’s this notion floating around that the lions offense is way better than the browns but it’s really not true.  
 

cleveland is 4th in the league in ypg and detroit is 6th so pretty similar.  Not to mention brissett was excellent yesterday in a way that I don’t think Goff is even capable of.  The ball placement on some of those throws in tight coverage was really impressive 

 

Detroit is basically Cleveland with a worse defensive line and we get a full week of practice this time 

 

Full week of practice? I heard we are only practicing tomorrow. I dont think they practiced today and Wednesday they will travel to play on Thursday.  How is that a full week?

[Since1981]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Full week of practice? I heard we are only practicing tomorrow. I dont think they practiced today and Wednesday they will travel to play on Thursday.  How is that a full week?

Bills at least get the SAME practice amount as lions. That’s waaay better than last week!!

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

After listening to Coach's presser, it sounded like:

 

Likely out this week: Edmunds, AJ

Likely to return: Elam

Limited/lean toward playing: Morse, Quessenberry

Limited/likely more questionable: Groot

Complete unknown: Tre

 

Always tough playing on a short week, hopefully can get Klein up to speed quickly and get Elam/Morse/Quessenberry healthy enough to play.

 

Groot would be a bonus, but I could see us calling up a P/S def end this week...also be interesting how they handle Gentry/Rhodes (each have just 1 callup remaining).  Speedy also has to be close to playing, activating him this week could be something to watch.

 

Not having Morse would be really bad.  They already have exchange problems. =(

Just now, Since1981 said:

Bills at least get the SAME practice amount as lions. That’s waaay better than last week!!

 

True.  I think the Bills win anyways.  Josh wants his turkey leg!

[njbuff]

Of all the injuries, Groot is the one that’s a killer.

 

Can’t believe that kid is so valuable already.

[Playoffs?]

9 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Of all the injuries, Groot is the one that’s a killer.

 

Can’t believe that kid is so valuable already.

Isn’t Epenessa hurt too?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

52 minutes ago, Pete said:

I would like to see Cook and Hines in backfield at same time.  We could motion and set up mismatch's.  And it would be good for opponent to burn time outs- because Hines lines up wide against some slow LB

they have been back there together on a number of packages. The problem is they don’t give it to Hines!! 
 

what I would love to see are just basic check downs and screens to Hines. 

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Gee, coach. Did you just realize that? 

While you are at it, consider using Hines as a receiver too. 

4 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Josh is back. I heard it click when he hit Gabe with that beautiful crosser.

 I expect a similar game from Josh against the Lions with a few more deep shots off of play action especially if we can establish the run again.

 

 

If Josh continues with the patient/low risk game, I am actually fine with it. Just because you have a Ferrari doesn't mean you need to floor the gas every time. 

Mahomes/Reid changed their O strategy last season to much success and it is not a bad one for the Bills to imitate. 

[Rockinon]

2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Gee, coach. Did you just realize that? 

While you are at it, consider using Hines as a receiver too. 

I just would have told him "No s**t Sherlock"

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I would like to see Cook and Hines in backfield at same time.  We could motion and set up mismatch's.  And it would be good for opponent to burn time outs- because Hines lines up wide against some slow LB

According to Joe B, the Bills did do that several times with one 8 yard loss but two 15 yard gains.  He expects to see it more as it forces defenses to choose between playing nickel or an extra LB.

 

 

 

[njbuff]

33 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Isn’t Epenessa hurt too?

 

Who knows the extent of his injury though.

[Since1981]

Wouldn’t it be good to have a semi consistent O personnel package that allows nearly any play thus element of unknown for the defense to deal with? rush, pass, short, long? 

btw:

“#68 Eligible” (Hart like 9 times)

4D offensive chess, bahahahah. 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Since1981

[YoloinOhio]

55 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Full week of practice? I heard we are only practicing tomorrow. I dont think they practiced today and Wednesday they will travel to play on Thursday.  How is that a full week?

They have one full practice tomorrow. Today and Wednesday are walkthrough 

[chongli]

Someone posted this in the Lions forum. They said the Lions should not blitz Josh Allen, as he is the best in the NFL under pressure according to this chart. This is awesome if true. We have the best QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

Zach Wilson's status as the New York Jets' starting quarterback is in peril.

Jets head coach Robert Saleh announced Monday that he has not committed to Wilson as the team's starting quarterback ahead of its Week 12 game against the Chicago Bears.

"We're keeping everything on the table the next couple of days," Saleh said at the top of his Monday news conference.

Saleh was then asked if he was committing to Wilson, to which he replied, "No, not right now. Not until I'm done evaluating everything."

[TheWei44]

30 minutes ago, chongli said:

Someone posted this in the Lions forum. They said the Lions should not blitz Josh Allen, as he is the best in the NFL under pressure according to this chart. This is awesome if true. We have the best QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

Cool chart!  When Josh rolls to his right, he's deadly.  And in general, he does very well on broken plays improvising.  But this chart doesn't say we have the best QB in the NFL - It says we have the best QB under pressure in the NFL.  And a QB around average with a clean pocket.  If you trade off some under pressure success for some clean pocket success, he'd move toward Mahomes et al.  So basically this chart is saying he's more "feast or famine", but on average, he is in the top small group of QBs.  That's my interpretation, at least FWIW!  

Edited November 22, 2022 by TheWei44

[gtw3]

6 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think there’s this notion floating around that the lions offense is way better than the browns but it’s really not true.  
 

cleveland is 4th in the league in ypg and detroit is 6th so pretty similar.  Not to mention brissett was excellent yesterday in a way that I don’t think Goff is even capable of.  The ball placement on some of those throws in tight coverage was really impressive 

 

Detroit is basically Cleveland with a worse defensive line and we get a full week of practice this time 

And all of the sacks he was able to work his way out of.  Brissett played really well.

[wolfpack78]

2 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Bills have been great on Thanksgiving in the McD era. I hope it continues on Thursday. I think I might still have some lingering PTSD  though from the last time in Detroit on Thanksgiving!

 

 

I was at this game as a fourth grader and still remember that flea flicker TD…

 

I would be going Thursday if I weren’t just there yesterday!

[finn]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Mahomes/Reid changed their O strategy last season to much success and it is not a bad one for the Bills to imitate. 

I don't remember that. What did they change it from and to? 

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

3 minutes ago, finn said:

I don't remember that. What did they change it from and to? 

They started being patient and running into light boxes created by a 2 high shell. Then this year they started seeing more man because they beat the shell, and they’re torching it. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

I would like to see Cook and Hines in backfield at same time.  We could motion and set up mismatch's.  And it would be good for opponent to burn time outs- because Hines lines up wide against some slow LB

Yeah Maddy - WHEN do we see that? 

 

When does Hines actually get on the field and touch the ball on offense? 

 

McDermott is still talking about getting acclimated and once McDermott stuck Hines on special teams, is he ever going to let him do anything on offense or is that too much on the plate? 

 

When does Cook ever catch a pass again? 

 

They have 7-games here to get something going, and if they can't get anything out of the #3 WR position, they're not going to have enough time to develop these players in the Playoffs. 

1 minute ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

They started being patient and running into light boxes created by a 2 high shell. Then this year they started seeing more man because they beat the shell, and they’re torching it. 

Yeah you're right on this, they go 5 deep after Kelce, and the Bills are going to need all hands on deck to beat them again I think. 

 

Tre White, Elam, Benford, Jackson, Poyer, Hamlin, etc. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Gee, coach. Did you just realize that? 

While you are at it, consider using Hines as a receiver too. 

If Josh continues with the patient/low risk game, I am actually fine with it. Just because you have a Ferrari doesn't mean you need to floor the gas every time. 

Mahomes/Reid changed their O strategy last season to much success and it is not a bad one for the Bills to imitate. 

Well our media only seems to be asking how it feels to have Josh Allen, or what it means to them to get their driveway shoveled. 

 

Instead of something like, Brandon Beane told the media that Nyheim Hines would be used all over the field, in the slot, catching screens, handoffs, motion plays. Why has he only been used as a special teams player and not in the offense?  

 

But I guess a better question of your OC or Head Coach is what does it mean to you that Detroit shared their stadium on short notice? 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Fan in Chicago]

12 minutes ago, finn said:

I don't remember that. What did they change it from and to? 

To a more patient , shorter passing game.

In 3 games I have seen this year,  they seem to have gone back to bigger plays

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Bills have been great on Thanksgiving in the McD era. I hope it continues on Thursday. I think I might still have some lingering PTSD  though from the last time in Detroit on Thanksgiving!

 

 

I was there. Just like I'll be there Thursday. Family in the Detroit area.

 

Fun fact (if you believe me): as a junior in high school I attended this game with a handful of family members. Sat next to my Buffalo transplant uncle, and, I swear to you, at one stretch in the first half, to arrogantly demonstrate the Bills stale offensive playcalling, I luckily called/predicted ~5 consecutive Bills offensive plays down to the actual play result. I'm guessing I could reference a game script and zero in on the actual drive (absolutely involved a 5-7 yard Metzelaars pass over the middle on maybe 2nd down, but it's been a LONG time now).  

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, chongli said:

Someone posted this in the Lions forum. They said the Lions should not blitz Josh Allen, as he is the best in the NFL under pressure according to this chart. This is awesome if true. We have the best QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

If I’m reading this right, Josh is the ONLY QB in the league that is better when under pressure versus being in a clean pocket, and the ONLY QB that is better under pressure at all.  
 

I’d be curious to know his rushing stats when under pressure versus a clean pocket, because I feel like when he has a clean pocket, the defense is sitting back in coverage and thus he has more running room.  So if his release valves aren’t getting open, he’s either forcing a pass into coverage, or taking off and running with it.

[BigAl2526]

I checked out the injury report for the game at the official Bills site.  I don't think there was a practice today, but an injury report was posted in any case.  It looks like Detroit is dealing with a more problematic injury situation than the Bills at this point.  All three interior offensive linemen were listed as non-participants as was one of their three starting WRs.  They're also likely to be without their top CB.  One other WR was listed as limited.  Like Buffalo's Rousseau. one starting DE was listed as out, John Paschal.  I assume that some of today's non-participants will be available on Thursday, but the Lions may be missing more players and more critical players.  It's been a while since the opponent had more of an injury issue than Buffalo.

[Chandler#81]

17 hours ago, CSBill said:

Josh Allen is undefeated on Thanksgiving, 2-0. He will be 3-0 this Thursday at 4:00 PM.

The boy likes his turkey legs!

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Since1981 said:

Wouldn’t it be good to have a semi consistent O personnel package that allows nearly any play thus element of unknown for the defense to deal with? rush, pass, short, long? 

btw:

“#68 Eligible” (Hart like 9 times)

4D offensive chess, bahahahah. 

I’m really hoping to see Diggs, Davis, knox, cook and Hines.  That could cause  problems by putting guys in motion and moving them around 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Full week of practice? I heard we are only practicing tomorrow. I dont think they practiced today and Wednesday they will travel to play on Thursday.  How is that a full week?

Lol I misspoke…I meant we actually get to practice as much as the other team 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

He gets 7-Days and faces a tough New England defense. 

That NE defense reminds me of us last year at least statistically.  They’re good but I don’t think they’re as good as they are on the stat sheet. The guy we just beat that we seem to be givin ourselves no credit for (Jacoby brissett) is probably the best qb they’ve seen in their last 5 games:

jacoby brissett 
justin fields 

zach wilson

sam ehlinger

zach Wilson 

dual threat qbs seem to be giving them a lot of trouble which seems like a bright spot for us…they really struggled against fields and Lamar 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[CSBill]

9 hours ago, njbuff said:

Of all the injuries, Groot is the one that’s a killer.

 

Can’t believe that kid is so valuable already.

 

I somewhat agree, at least on how well Rousseau has been playing, but I would content that missing Edmunds is more problematic than Rousseau. We have decent options behind him, not so with Edmunds. His absence has shown the last 2 games.

[CNYfan]

13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We'll have to gameplan for Swift, Williams and Jackson. Goff doesn't scare me.

I think the Bills pass defense has been poor the past two contests and the Lions are prolific at scoring points.    The Bills will, again, probably need north of 30 points to win on Thursday.  

10 hours ago, jkeerie said:

According to Joe B, the Bills did do that several times with one 8 yard loss but two 15 yard gains.  He expects to see it more as it forces defenses to choose between playing nickel or an extra LB.

 

 

 

The 8 yard loss was the facemask tackle by Clowney.  

[finn]

9 hours ago, chongli said:

Someone posted this in the Lions forum. They said the Lions should not blitz Josh Allen, as he is the best in the NFL under pressure according to this chart. This is awesome if true. We have the best QB in the NFL.

 

 

 

I'd like to see the percentage of times Allen is under pressure. It seems he has someone in his face more than half the time. Been that way since his rookie season. Can you imagine his numbers if he had the time Mahomes and Brady routinely have? He has one quick look, then he's dodging a DE. 

 

Conversely, imagine Mahomes or Brady behind the Bills O-line. 😆

[Chandler#81]

🦃

[atlbillsfan1975]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

I’m really hoping to see Diggs, Davis, knox, cook and Hines.  That could cause  problems by putting guys in motion and moving them around 

I was thinking about this exact set of skill players too. I wonder if maybe Davis replaces Diggs on some plays, my thought process is Davis is a very good blocker and a deep threat. Lure the D in thinking it’s a run or a quick pass to Hines/Cook and Davis runs over the top. 

[thenorthremembers]

58 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

🦃

Its probably just blind idiotic nostalgia but I see the team come together after that TD and feel like this years team is missing that.  Something feels off and flat this year compared to previous years with Josh at QB.

[muppy]

lol  @Draconator