Wawrow hints an Internal Issues with the Bills

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

In this tweet thread about 4 down John Wawrow hints at possible internal issues with the Bills. 

 

 

I think it’s Dorsey that he’s alluding to something tells me McDermott after yesterday is going to start reigning in the offense and being a bit more run oriented especially in the red zone 

Edited November 14, 2022 by 78thealltimegreat

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I think it’s Dorsey that he’s alluding too something tells me McDermott after yesterday is going to start reigning in the offense and being a bit more run oriented especially in the red zone 

Just fire the ***** guy and make Brady the OC. This guy was probably never ready to begin with and all he’s done is let down. ***** him. No tears shed. Just tell Dorsey thanks for coming

[BuffaloRebound]

If I remember correctly, it was Josh who really wanted Dorsey as OC.  McDermott sounded lukewarm about it publicly.  

[Southern Bills Fan]

I usually like Warwow but the "I know a secret but I'm not going to tell you" is pretty weak for a "journalist". 

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

If I remember correctly, it was Josh who really wanted Dorsey as OC.  McDermott sounded lukewarm about it publicly.  

And the hire made sense at the time! I was all for it!! But it’s blatantly obvious now that he’s over his head and doesn’t know how to adjust, both in game and over the course of a season.

[Rico]

8 minutes ago, NY Nole said:

As for Wawrow -- he is the worst kind of journalist. JW is trying to make himself the story -- always has with his unintelligent line of questions. IMO 

 

 

Yeah, let’s wait for Tyler Dunne to talk to Whaley, he’ll get to the bottom of this.

[Einstein]

At some point Terry and Kim need to ask themselves: How much of Josh Allen’s career are you willing to spend whole McDermott figuring out how to manage in-game situations?

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

It was pretty evident that there was a Daboll vs McDermott feud going on last year.  Now without Daboll, McDermott's Belichick like attitude is all the guys have to be around.  No one wants to be around a guy like McDermott.

 

It has been reported for a while now (but often swept under the rug) that McDermott has a bit of a dark side.

 

Remember when he lost his (bleep) and cussed out one of the reporters on the practice field because of a report he didn’t like? Or when he suspended Chris Brown (the biggest Bills homer on the planet) from the facility for multiple weeks because he said the wrong thing on the radio? And then there was the note in the Flores lawsuit that talked about how Daboll wanted out of Buffalo, even if it was NOT for a head coach job?

 

When you have that smoke, it becomes

implausible that there is no fire.

[BillsVet]

14 minutes ago, Rico said:

Yeah, let’s wait for Tyler Dunne to talk to Whaley, he’ll get to the bottom of this.

 

As long as he brings along Jim Monos into the podcast.  I'm waiting!

[2003Contenders]

21 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

My guess would be Dorsey vs. Allen.

 

 

I would be more inclined to say the issue is Dorsey + Allen. Not saying that the two do not have a GOOD relationship, but it is highly unlikely that the relationship is anything close to what Josh and Daboll had.

 

Remember, Daboll was the OC when Josh was drafted -- and was by all accounts very hard on Josh during his formative seasons, using plenty of "tough love". The relationship with Dorsey is  likely nowhere near as provocative, especially since Dorsey had Josh's seal  of approval when he was hired. And Josh, now a superstar, is not in the same place he was when he came into the league with plenty of talent but also plenty of naysayers questioning his ability to develop.

 

When Daboll would chew Josh out, the response was likely, "Yes sir". Dorsey likely does not have this same fatherly relationship with Josh.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, McBean said:

Let’s hope those internal issues are Brandon Beane finally realizing that Sean McDermott is Doug Collins. I hope Beane takes a look at the 7-2 New York Giants, with way less talent, and realizes what the real problem is. 

Do the right thing Beane and hire a bright offensive minded HC, or we’re going to waste a generational talent in Josh Allen.

Think McDermott's I know it all, I've done it all, I've been there before, 100% extreme serious attitude is starting to wear thin?

[Back2Buff]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It has been reported for a while now (but often swept under the rug) that McDermott has a bit of a dark side.

 

Remember when he lost his (bleep) and cussed out one of the reporters on the practice field because of a report he didn’t like? Or when he suspended Chris Brown (the biggest Bills homer on the planet) from the facility for multiple weeks because he said the wrong thing on the radio? And then there was the note in the Flores lawsuit that talked about how Daboll wanted out of Buffalo, even if it was NOT for a head coach job?

 

When you have that smoke, it becomes

implausible that there is no fire.

 

Good memory with the Daboll text messages.

 

This is a guy who was coaching his hometown team and would have left even without a HC job, pretty scary to think.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

he's not wrong. like ever. after having many good conversations with him - he does not BS. he knows the team. he knows the players . and his takes are usually on point.

 

he cannot discuss certain things due to two reasons:

1) he does not want to jeopardize his relationships

2) he works for the AP not the NYT or WAPO so he can't just BS a headline and write his own narrative. he has integrity with what he writes.

 

if wawrow is writing it down than it is so.

At the same time he does have a penchant for sensationalism.  Watch the press conferences- he’s always the one trying to drum up some controversy.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I mean I never liked it from the start, can't imagine working with that guy.

It would get very old. 

 

He is a joyless chore to listen to. 

[78thealltimegreat]

I also believe it’s the fact McDermott and Frazier are known as these defensive geniuses and they have spent a ton of money on the defensive side and yet we can’t get off the field on 3rd down even with the injuries. 

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I usually like Warwow but the "I know a secret but I'm not going to tell you" is pretty weak for a "journalist". 

 

 

You see,  I know this is the kind of journalist he is.  

 

So this is a yawn for me.  

 

Same ol' Wawrow.

 

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

lol k

 

we'll see when they draft another CB/S/DL early this offseason.

 

I would have traded two firsts for AJ Brown or DK Metcalf. This offense would be unstoppable.

 

We'll be unstoppable with OBJ

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

We'll be unstoppable with OBJ

We're not getting OBJ

 

 

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, extrahammer said:

 

I'm sure he's got to manage a relationship with the Bills too. And they probably don't want him spilling secrets. 

He just did.  

 

 

[Roundybout]

12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

It would get very old. 

 

He is a joyless chore to listen to. 

Yeah let’s go back to Rex Ryan wearing a Clemson helmet at a presser 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

In this tweet thread about 4 down John Wawrow hints at possible internal issues with the Bills. 

 

 

 

I respect John Wawrow as an excellent journalist, but I don't respect this style of journalism. 

 

If Wawrow has a story, he tell it.  If he's restricted from telling it because it doesn't meet APs standard for verification or was told to him in confidence, off the record, that confidence/off the record promise should not be flirted with on the Twitterverse.

 

Edit: Mea Culpa, should have done first.  Having read his whole thread, I think it's more open and less hinty at deep dark secrets

 

The issue that can be seen from thousands of miles away is just this: the QB is not taking what the defense is giving him, he is not spreading the ball around and involving players who are busting their asses to get open play after play - and who then face press and public criticism for "not contributing".  There aren't necessarily enough adjustments to the adjustments the opponent makes.  But more critically, the QB is just not taking care of the ball.  He's going for the kill shot when he has time, and the underneath stuff that would move the chains is there. 

 

How much of this is on McDermott and how much on Dorsey, or whether it's just having made him a $258 million man, he's become "above criticism" in the facility, I don't know.

 

I think it's an educated guess that the internal issues relate to this.

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Beck Water

[PayDaBill$]

There’s been a lot of changes around JA - Brian Daboll and assistant quarterbacks coach Tierney went to NYG along with Webb.  We transferred OC responsibilities to Dorsey and added Brady.

 

As far as the team goes you have  to think there was a Dabol camp and a McD camp.  Some of this division could be spilling over into this season.

[Beck Water]

14 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

At the same time he does have a penchant for sensationalism.  Watch the press conferences- he’s always the one trying to drum up some controversy.

 

I can never hear the damned questions being asked at the press conferences, let alone figure out if they're drumming up controversy.

 

But it is a reporter's job to look for controversy and issues.

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

McDermott hired beane, not the other way around.

 

Beane isn’t the problem…it’s McD. He’s the one that wilts under pressure. Not the other way around…

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yeah let’s go back to Rex Ryan wearing a Clemson helmet at a presser 

How quickly we forget the bad old days …

[What a Tuel]

37 minutes ago, Einstein said:

At some point Terry and Kim need to ask themselves: How much of Josh Allen’s career are you willing to spend whole McDermott figuring out how to manage in-game situations?

 

How in the world do you blame a fumbled snap and a game losing INT on McDermott?

 

At some point you have to ask yourself, how much of Allen's career are you going to crusade against McDermott?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

It’s probably hard to articulate perfectly but I want the Texans loss 19 Bills offense with THIS josh Allen and these WRs. I want the 240 yard passing josh and don’t kill us with the magic of him being more polished. I want that balance and these WRs. I’m so tired of this Covid season throw it like you are “hay day” Drew Brees. Christ, reign it in. We aren’t an indoor dome team with an all time passer

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

He's likely already removed the Bills from his list after the last 3 games...

why? packers, cowboys, rams have looked worse than us the last few weeks. and if anything, we need weapons on offense - if anything, our stock for him is rising, as would/should our offersheet.

[wppete]

John Wawrow is the most negative person in Buffalo. Nothing good or positive ever said. He is a ball of negativity and an angry person. Put him in the same bucket 🪣  with Mike Florio. Miserable people. 

[Westside]

2 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

In this tweet thread about 4 down John Wawrow hints at possible internal issues with the Bills. 

 

 

Wawrow is a hack. Never cared for his work. 

[muppy]

The fact the Bills are on a TWO game losing skid is very concerning. And if there are issues and internal squabbles and disagreements that would surprise me zero. It is healthier to vent and voice things than to simmer and fester unsaid. These men are Professionals and high achievers. Do they take losing lightly?

 

NOPE nor should they. NFL= Not For Long. Get healthier and things will be better. As far as #17 and his decisions lately I hope he listens to the vets around him and stay OFF social media. 

 

BUT as professionals and as transparent as what I hear and read spoken from 1BD we surely don't know everything being said behind th scenes.. Who is calling out who?

 

It reads that JW is reputable but this kind of tweet alluding to trouble could also be interpreted as clickbait for the disgruntled

 

*shrugs*

 

***correction

Edited November 14, 2022 by muppy

[pocoboy]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

The fact the Bills are on a 3 game losing skid is very concerning.

 

That's right they lost that midweek tilt at Fulham.

[Airseven]

2 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

That's right they lost that midweek tilt at Fulham.

Perhaps he’s counting the Packers as a moral loss.

[JerseyBills]

All this sudden Dorsey hate is comical

We put up 30 points with 4 turnovers. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

All this sudden Dorsey hate is comical

We put up 30 points with 4 turnovers. 

We have JOSH ALLEN, a penguin as an OC could put up 30 points. 

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Perhaps he’s counting the Packers as a moral loss.

2 games Perdon. geesh tough crowd today 3 total.  my thoughts are the same

[GoBills808]

Who gaf

 

Personally I could not give two ***** about the players and coaches interpersonal relationships that McDermott and Co try to push out via Bills media and PR

 

Rams won a Super Bowl with Jalen Ramsey punching teammates in the head on national TV. Just win the ***** games

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It has been reported for a while now (but often swept under the rug) that McDermott has a bit of a dark side.

 

Remember when he lost his (bleep) and cussed out one of the reporters on the practice field because of a report he didn’t like? Or when he suspended Chris Brown (the biggest Bills homer on the planet) from the facility for multiple weeks because he said the wrong thing on the radio? And then there was the note in the Flores lawsuit that talked about how Daboll wanted out of Buffalo, even if it was NOT for a head coach job?

 

When you have that smoke, it becomes

implausible that there is no fire.

 

 

You are getting carried away with something of little import, IMO.    All the great coaches have had a "bit of a dark side".

 

The issue with McDermott is simply that he has a hard time getting his team focused in the dog days of the season.    Happens every year.

 

The roster is what it is............it's good but it's good at a great investment and after a lot of trial and error...........ultimately they still go as Josh Allen goes and right now he is playing like a guy whose head is somewhere else.   Not seeing the field and making bad decisions.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You are getting carried away with something of little import, IMO.    All the great coaches have had a "bit of a dark side".

 

The issue with McDermott is simply that he has a hard time getting his team focused in the dog days of the season.    Happens every year.

 

The roster is what it is............it's good but it's good at a great investment and after a lot of trial and error...........ultimately they still go as Josh Allen goes and right now he is playing like a guy whose head is somewhere else.   Not seeing the field and making bad decisions.

Even that first year. We got blown out like 3

weeks in a row after starting out 5-2 right?

[without a drought]

20 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Perhaps he’s counting the Packers as a moral loss.

Wait, what, the Bills beat the Packers